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John Lear, I actually was sort of pondering until in another thread he said that people live on the Moon, Venus and Saturn. Not sure if he's trying to be facetious, but it sounded like he literally meant it. End of belief.
Got a nice 12" reflector. I can SEE the Moon, in pretty good detail. No atmosphere. No people.
Saturn, well, the math is easy to work on how much solar energy arrives there, or ever did. It's a frozen gas ball.
Venus, it's not beyond the realm of amateur astronomers to measure the atmospheric temp using radiometers. And it's been done.
As far as "free energy" goes, I have a general 'what if' question but it's a threadjack, so I'll leave it.
Confirmed: I am not trying to be facetious. I really mean it.
A 12' reflector? Well, I guess that ends that argument.
And not only that but the Russians have been there several times and those incredible Venera's were able to survive a descent and land on a surface that was 450 degrees C. (hot enough to melt lead), manage not to land in a volcano spewing lava all over the place, survive 90 bars of pressure AND THEN transmit back data. Now there is Russian technology for you!
No, no, Tom. You're one the guys..feel right at home...threadjack away!
No construction. No atmosphere. No lights. You can see stars occult, and you don't see atmospheric blurring as they do. Further, many a photo has been made with some really serious telescopes, the images match to a gnat's ass back as far as you want to go. No atmospheric blurring of the disk, none of occulting stars. It's quite the stretch to say every observatory both amateur and professional have been co-opted. A lot of this stuff an interested person can do for themselves not depending on the net. Again, if a star appears to be a point source as it occults, there's no atmosphere. Not that that isn't evident by the detail of the disk, no atmospheric blur there either.