Questions for John Lear

originally posted by Diplomat
Hi John, I remember you telling me about a video you had from the night that you witnessed a "flying disc" in Nevada with Bob Lazar and a few others. I think you also said Springer here on ATS has the video. Any word on the vid? I would really like to see it/hear it...

Originally posteed by Triad979
Yes, I'm also interested in that video if it could be somewhere plz...

I’m not sure why it hasn’t been posted. I sent it to Springer and he received it about a month ago. It could be that he is waiting for the Wikipedia issue to resolve itself, that is, whether or not I am a mentalist.

The other thing I heard was that he was waiting for NASA to admit that extra terrestrial flying saucers are real and then release to take advantage of the media frenzy.

Springer? Springer?

Originally posted by billybob

i don't remember. i have a minor case of information overload.

or, you could just tell me you know what i'm talking about, and then either evade the answer, or share. choice is a beautiful right.

Billybob. Please check in when you get back. Thanks.

Originally posted by Triad979

John, what do you believe about it, was it comet

Yes.

or really as Alex Collier said to Val Valerian interview for leading edge group, that it was protocol ship from Orion with cryogenic warior caste reptiles in there...???

Unlikely. Valerian (actually a Vorlon) knows what happened and what it was all about but he never told me.

It all seems like a disinfo campaign to me, alltough "comet" had one or two quite impossible things. It had two tails indicating two sources of vector path and it did change course and one tail was directed in front of the comet's heading, which is impossible???

Mainstream sceintists prefer to refer to the 'course change' as a 'refined orbital path'.

What's all about???

If you find out please let me know.

My personal take on the comet: It was just a comet.

Here is an interesting quote from a rap song though:

"The people of Heaven's gate, took their own life, rather be in outer space. And the cold thing about it: what if they was right? And we were too blind to see the light? Huh, I doubt it, but that just goes to show, how far people'll take it... just to feel hope..."

[edit on 22-6-2007 by Diplomat]

Hi johnlear. Ignoring your "followers" disrespectful comment(s), I would like to mention it is not reasonable for someone to read through a 70+ page thread?

Barring that, any evidence to back up the "Gravity B Wave" idea you put forward? Other than the testimony of one Bob Lazaar, I see no factual evidence of the existence or even theory thereof.



Still kindly waiting, - Forsaken.

Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
Hi johnlear. Ignoring your "followers" disrespectful comment(s), I would like to mention it is not reasonable for someone to read through a 70+ page thread?

Barring that, any evidence to back up the "Gravity B Wave" idea you put forward? Other than the testimony of one Bob Lazaar, I see no factual evidence of the existence or even theory thereof.

Still kindly waiting, - Forsaken.

Sorry to keep you waiting. Other than the fact that Gravity A and Gravity B wave exist there is no 'factual' information. (If you are a scientist the frequency is 7.43 Hertz.) It is in the 'Way Above Top Secret' category and I doubt that it will become public in my lifetime (another 10 maybe 15 years). My advice to you would be to stick to "Gravitons". Its much easier to 'buy' and far more mainstream in terms of scientific acceptance.

I think you are mistaking Gravity Waves for Gravitation. There is a very distinct difference in this, perhaps these articles can clear up exactly what we are talking about.

Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer

I think you are mistaking Gravity Waves for Gravitation. There is a very distinct difference in this, perhaps these articles can clear up exactly what we are talking about.

Yes, that is a common misconception. Like I say, its best you stick with Wikipedi and mainstream science because its not only easier to understand (because you don't have to grasp the concept of gravity being a wave) but you also don't have to deal with the fact that the wave is instantaneous (throughout the universe). Thanks for the post. (However I might suggest that Wikipedia is not a very scientific reference.)

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't have any type of scientific evidence about this "superluminal gravity wave" either, right?

It's starting to get hard to show you any kind of respect, johnlear. We used to have games on the playground when we were kids. Cops and Robbers, Aliens and Marines, Guns and Bombs. You sound like one of the guys who always had the "EVERYTHING SHIELD", and always "won".


Hoping you can prove me wrong - Forsaken.





Post script - Wiki seems to have citations from a number of not only nobel-prize winning, but peer reviewed and endorsed scientists. Sorry if they seem to cite more evidence than you can seem to muster?

[edit on 6-22-2007 by forsakenwayfarer]

Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer

Hoping you can prove me wrong - Forsaken.

I can't prove you wrong. I'm not even interested in proving you wrong. The truth will prevail no matter what either one of us thinks. And thats all thats really important.

I have to admit, you do have some sort of racket going on here johnlear. Had I been the one to post such gross-misinformation I would be banned from the site by now. The simple fact that you draw in a handful of members loyal to your playground game is the only reason you are afforded such lenient standards.

johnlear, your actions are reprehensible, and you drag the already fragile UFO-ology community through the mud every time you sit at a computer. You are a master of side-stepping and dodging when a hole is punched in the fabric of your dementia driven alternate reality.

This site's motto is to Deny Ignorance. I am beginning question to tenacity and integrity of the founders, members, and staff, being that the grossly unsubstantiated claims you make reward you with a forum and official endorsement thereof.

If your purpose is as I assume, to try and step out of your father's shadow, then you will be remembered in time as nothing more than a footnote. Proof positive to the outside world that "the UFO community is nothing more than a bunch of quacks". Your efforts and delusions of grandeur will do nothing more than to support the dis-info campaign and your friends "They" to support their campaign of keeping the populace misinformed, misguided, and discredited.


You are a farce, a shyster, and a disgrace to anyone who attempts any real research in the field. And that's what's really important.


Good day to your sir, I prefer to distance myself from those who are headed for a fall, so as not to be dragged down in their wake.

-Forsaken

[edit on 6-22-2007 by forsakenwayfarer]

If your purpose is as I assume, to try and step out of your father's shadow, then you will be remembered in time as nothing more than a footnote. Proof positive to the outside world that "the UFO community is nothing more than a bunch of quacks". Your efforts and delusions of grandeur will do nothing more than to support the dis-info campaign and your friends "They" to support their campaign of keeping the populace misinformed, misguided, and discredited.

Good grief. More vitriol in your paragraph than seems even remotely necessary. The UFOlogy community is alternative. This means not mainstream. They are not mainstream, because the mainstream doesn't care about things like UFOs, ETs, and technology that isn't in their text books. Why you are here yelling at a man who suggests there are alternative ideas in science, is beyond me. You knew those were his beliefs. You know UFOlogy has those beliefs. If you think it's so unbelievable, go read something you believe. That way you won't have to be upset by the "strangeness" of UFOlogy.

Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
You are a farce, a shyster, and a disgrace to anyone who attempts any real research in the field. And that's what's really important.

In that case I'd have to say mission accomplished.

[from another thread]

Originally posted by johnlear
Well, well, well. Mr LA biker/propulsion expert comes clean!

LOL I see you’re spreading disinformation again.

For the record I don’t live in LA and I never said I was a propulsion “expert”. I’m an Instrumentation Specialist who’s been lucky enough to work for those that are for over 20 years now. Since you like to play show and tell here’s an old picture of me in my office that you should appreciate…

neverworld.net...

That’s me on the right test firing an experimental Sea Launch rocket for the NRL (Naval Research Laboratory) in 1991 (I was “on loan” from the Air Force temporarily).

Video Link

John, it is not fair you win all the time and this playground you have you should be charging admission wha wha wha LOL Rik Riley

The only reason I listen to John is because of his credentials and what he has accomplished in his life. He has like every single FAA award and even flew for the CIA or something like that...

So to me John is somewhat credible. He also seems to have rubbed shoulders with a lot of important and interesting people.

Could a credible person lie and make up stories? Sure they could. Do I believe that John Lear is lying and making up stories? Not really... there has got to be truth in what he tells us. Minor details could be fabricated, but all in all I think Mr. Lear is someone worth listening to unless we can prove 100% that all of his claims are B.S...

I'm sure you've seen The Disclosure Project video (if not, here )

Well anyway, one of the people who testified says he saw a picture which was taken of the other side of the moon which had mushroom shaped buildings and towers. Just found that interesting considering your beliefs about the moon

What are your thoughts about this particular video and the people who testified?

Originally posted by icecap

Well anyway, one of the people who testified says he saw a picture which was taken of the other side of the moon which had mushroom shaped buildings and towers. Just found that interesting considering your beliefs about the moon

What are your thoughts about this particular video and the people who testified?

1.Everybody was telling the truth.
2. There will be no disclosure.

Here is a picture of the far side of the moon taken by the Russian lunar orbiter Zond 3 in 1965. I put a circle around a tower with what appears to be a donut shaped object at the top. This tower is probably thousands of feet high. I don't know whether or not this particular tower is the 'mushroom' shaped building or not, but there are plenty of other huge buildings on the moon. Most have been airbrushed by NASA but every once in a while you can find an image that wasn't carefully aircrushed and find a spaceport or two.

Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
I have to admit, you do have some sort of racket going on here johnlear. Had I been the one to post such gross-misinformation I would be banned from the site by now. The simple fact that you draw in a handful of members loyal to your playground game is the only reason you are afforded such lenient standards.

johnlear, your actions are reprehensible, and you drag the already fragile UFO-ology community through the mud every time you sit at a computer. You are a master of side-stepping and dodging when a hole is punched in the fabric of your dementia driven alternate reality.

This site's motto is to Deny Ignorance. I am beginning question to tenacity and integrity of the founders, members, and staff, being that the grossly unsubstantiated claims you make reward you with a forum and official endorsement thereof.

If your purpose is as I assume, to try and step out of your father's shadow, then you will be remembered in time as nothing more than a footnote. Proof positive to the outside world that "the UFO community is nothing more than a bunch of quacks". Your efforts and delusions of grandeur will do nothing more than to support the dis-info campaign and your friends "They" to support their campaign of keeping the populace misinformed, misguided, and discredited.


You are a farce, a shyster, and a disgrace to anyone who attempts any real research in the field. And that's what's really important.


Good day to your sir, I prefer to distance myself from those who are headed for a fall, so as not to be dragged down in their wake.

-Forsaken

[edit on 6-22-2007 by forsakenwayfarer]

Quoted for truth. How this carries on with ZERO proof is the exact opposite of what this site is SUPPOSED to stand for.

Case in point is the above posted moon picture with a circle around some grainy lo-res 40+ year old picture of craters...

Yeah.
Moon mushroom shaped buildings on the moon... Unreal. The amount of people that fall for this crud is quite scary...

[edit on 25-6-2007 by donk_316]

[edit on 25-6-2007 by donk_316]

John.. what do you think of these apollo 20 videos on youtube? Anything you have heard from other sources?

Good morning, John.


What was something that your father told you about our cousins out in space, a.k.a E.T that he valued with integrity?