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posted on May, 3 2007 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by rikriley


I look at her in the eyes and she looks back at me in my eyes. This is the truth, I mentally say to her you are an alien without speaking a word. She immediately turns around at a brisk pace and walks away. I had left my booth to try to find her she disappeared in the crowd.

This is the strange part, her eyes were black and large also slanted she had very light skin, had a tiny mouth and her small unusual looking ears were very low on the sides of her face. Her chin was pointed like you would see on a photo of a grey looking alien. I always believed her to be a hybred I knew immediately when she looked into my eyes. She never communicated mentally back to me or verbally just disappeared. She was wearing a plan baseball type hat. Alien? Can not prove it, but this was one of my strangest encounters ever. Rik Riley




Yes that was probably an alien, and there are a lot of them around. They try to stay within crowds so as not to be noticed. But they're there.




posted on May, 3 2007 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Triad979


Is it really happening that Aliens (human like appearance) are living amongst us in almost every major city in the world...?


Of course.


And if it's a truth then what do you John think about it, are they balancing world power structure in public economy and politics way or is there secret war vaging here on Earth in underground circles (Schneider) between them and Orion ET fraction???


I don't know what the agenda is.


Can you elaborate little bit on this Michael Salla article if it's the truth and to what extent please???


Sorry, I don't have the time to read through all that. Maybe you could ask a specific question and I could comment on it. Thanks.



posted on May, 3 2007 @ 11:51 AM
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John,

I have heard that you were already talking about stuff connected to Area 51 in the mid 1980's.

Is this true?

If it is true, how did you get so much information on Area 51 before you knew Bob?

Respectfully,

Tim

[edit on 5/3/2007 by Ghost01]



posted on May, 3 2007 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost01
John,

I have heard that you were already talking about stuff connected to Area 51 in the mid 1980's.

Is this true?

If it is true, how did you get so much information on Area 51 before you knew Bob?

Respectfully,

Tim



I was the very first person to talk about "Groom Lake" and "Area 51" in public. The black and white picture of the hangars at Groom Lake with the Mig in front is the one I took in 1977. I knew about Groom Lake/Area 51 from hanging around the Skytrails bar in Van Nuys beginning in 1968. The picture of the Mig in front of the hangars at Groom is in several websites documenting the test site. I met Bob in the summer of 1988 so I knew about Groom Lake/Area 51 about 20 years before I met him.



posted on May, 3 2007 @ 01:01 PM
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Wally Schirra passed away today he was 84.

Wally’s last flight was in Apollo 7. During that flight Wally got into a running verbal battle with mission control over things he and his crew were being asked to do and he called the flight director’s instructions ‘idiotic’.

The flight director swore that Wally nor any of his crew would ever fly again and they didn’t.

It was unfair to his crew who were merely obeying their Commanders orders.

But c’est la vie.



posted on May, 3 2007 @ 01:14 PM
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Any idea what mission control was asking them to do John?

I've never heard this story before.

Peace



posted on May, 3 2007 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Love


Any idea what mission control was asking them to do John?

I've never heard this story before.

Peace



The 'battle' between Wally and Mission control is well documented in every book about the Apollo Program.

I can't put my hands on it right this second but it seems to me that Wally had a cold and was irritable anyway and Mission Control had asked him to 'go on TV' for a public showing which was very important to NASA. I think Wally had just completed a series of what he considered bs tasks and he refused to go on TV. It wasn't just one incident it was a whole series of incidents during the Apollo 7 flight.



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 10:40 AM
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Is John Lear Spreading Disinfo?

dis·in·for·ma·tion
n.
1. Deliberately misleading information announced publicly or leaked by a government or especially by an intelligence agency in order to influence public opinion or the government in another nation: "He would be the unconscious channel for a piece of disinformation aimed at another country's intelligence service" (Ken Follett).

2. Dissemination of such misleading information.

Since Lear says he has no proof and he’s merely stating what he believes to be true (i.e. it’s “his” opinion) and we know based on his own admissions that in most (if not all) cases he’s merely repeating theories and claims made by others then I think it’s safe to say under the second definition he is indeed an agent of disinformation.

Judging by his ignorance of the basic laws of physics as demonstrated by his inability to grasp the fundamental flaw (as precisely outlined by rdube, yfxxx and others) in “his” theory that the Moon’s gravity is significantly greater than the scientifically accepted value perhaps Lear is merely an unwitting pawn in a larger game but then that begs the question how could an (allegedly) accomplished pilot (self-described) be so wrong?

Furthermore, the question needs to be asked is exactly what has John brought to the Ufologly table in general (or more specifically to ATS) after all these years since he first wrote and released the original Dulce/Krill papers on ParaNet and was subsequently ejected (banned) other than a glowing review he wrote of himself? Credibility???

www.ufomind.com...


Statement Released By:
John Lear

December 29, 1987

John Lear, a captain for a major US Airline has flown over 160 different types of aircraft in over 50 different countries. He holds 17 world speed record in the Lear Jet and is the only pilot ever to hold every airline certificate issued by the Federal Aviation Administration. Mr. Lear has flown missions worldwide for the CIA and other government agencies. A former Nevada State Senator candidate, he is the son of William P. Lear, designer of the Lear Jet executive airplane, the 8-track stereo, and founder of Lear Siegler Corporation. Lear became interested in the subject of UFO's 13 months ago after talking with United States Air Force Personnel who had witnessed a UFO landing at Bentwaters AFB, near London, England, and three small aliens walking up to the Wing Commander.

Note to the Press: The government of the United States continues to rely on your personal and professional gullibility to suppress the information contained herein. Your cooperation over the past 40 years has exceeded our wildest expectations and we salute you.

"The sun does not revolve around the Earth"

"The United States Government has been in business with little gray extraterrestrials for about 20 years"

So is John here to deny ignorance and enlighten you with super secret evidence obtained from alleged “government insider” sources or is he here to prey on the gullibility and ignorance of “true believers” to make himself feel superior about his (apparent) inability to deny his own ignorance and in the process (knowingly or unwittingly) furthering the agenda of others?

I know what I believe and to those of you praise Lear I urge you to think for yourselves and don’t let this man make a fool of you, this forum, and your beliefs.

Deny ignorance!



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by hangerateteen

Since Lear says he has no proof and he’s merely stating what he believes to be true


Thanks for your post hangerateteen and you bring up some excellent points that I would like to respond to.


(i.e. it’s “his” opinion) and we know based on his own admissions that in most (if not all) cases he’s merely repeating theories and claims made by others


I would be able to respond to this allegation a lot easier if I knew who was claiming the moon had a breathable atmosphere. Not only that but I would be delighted to learn that there is just ONE other nut-case on this planet that believes there is a breathable atmosphere on the moon. JUST ONE. The same goes for the gravity issue. Who are these people from whom I am "repeating theories and claims made by others?"


then I think it’s safe to say under the second definition he is indeed an agent of disinformation.


If I am an agent of disinformation I think I would pick something infinitely more believable than a breathable atmosphere on the moon. I mean who the heck is going to believe that?


Judging by his ignorance of the basic laws of physics as demonstrated by his inability to grasp the fundamental flaw (as precisely outlined by rdube, yfxxx and others) in “his” theory that the Moon’s gravity is significantly greater than the scientifically accepted value


I would object to the phrase "ignorance of the basic laws of physics" relating to the moons gravity debate. I have used the Bullialdus/Newton law of inverse-square, I have used accepted values of the size of the moon and the earth and I have used values for the neutral point as given to us by Werner von Braun and many of the astronauts.

Whereas yfxxx has produced no formula, no law of physics and has not put either of these together in a comprehensive mathematical equation that would refute my position on the moons gravity. Not even NASA uses corliolis force to strengthen their claim of a neutral point of 24,000 miles.


perhaps Lear is merely an unwitting pawn in a larger game but then that begs the question how could an (allegedly) accomplished pilot (self-described) be so wrong?


I would object to the word "allegedly" describing 'accomplished pilot'. I know of no evidence that I was an 'accomplished' pilot. About the only thing you can say about my career is that I'm still alive. And I certainly never described myself as accomplished. As a matter of fact I know of no other pilot that admitted to being 320 miles off course because he fell asleep at the controls. And I certainly wouldn't call being 320 miles off course 'accomplished'.


Furthermore, the question needs to be asked is exactly what has John brought to the Ufologly table in general (or more specifically to ATS) after all these years since he first wrote and released the original Dulce/Krill papers on ParaNet and was subsequently ejected (banned) other than a glowing review he wrote of himself? Credibility???


Neither the Dulce or the Krill papers were released on Paranet. And just as a point in fact I didn't write the Krill papers, they were written by John Grace, (Val Valerian). The Dulce papers, that I wrote, were distributed by me by U.S. mail and never went on Paranet.


I know what I believe but to those of you praise Lear I urge you to think for yourselves and don’t let this man make a fool of you, this forum, and your beliefs.



I haven't seen much praise lately although I could sure use some. Matyas wrote some very nice words but those may have been for the bottle of Courvoisier XO I promised to share with him

I would really appreciate that you clarify and or modify your above statements, hangerateteen, so they more accurately reflect the truth. Again, thanks for your post it is always welcome.

And, hangerateteen, if its not too much bother would you mind not posting the same thing in different threads? Thanks.



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 01:03 PM
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Sometimes i read these threads just to see Johns replies to people trying to attack him. It's so awesome.
And LOL 320 miles off course due to falling asleep heheheheeh
At least you weren't in a car.

True, if i were looking to fool people I woudln't be saying the moon has air. That's just crazy

If it's proven after you're gone, i'll be sure to write a letter and send it to heaven telling you how right you were.



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 01:03 PM
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Sometimes i read these threads just to see Johns replies to people trying to attack him. It's so awesome.
And LOL 320 miles off course due to falling asleep heheheheeh
At least you weren't in a car.

True, if i were looking to fool people I woudln't be saying the moon has air. That's just crazy

If it's proven after you're gone, i'll be sure to write a letter and send it to heaven telling you how right you were.



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
I would object to the phrase "ignorance of the basic laws of physics" relating to the moons gravity debate. I have used the Bullialdus/Newton law of inverse-square, I have used accepted values of the size of the moon and the earth and I have used values for the neutral point as given to us by Werner von Braun and many of the astronauts.

Whereas yfxxx has produced no formula, no law of physics and has not put either of these together in a comprehensive mathematical equation that would refute my position on the moons gravity. Not even NASA uses corliolis force to strengthen their claim of a neutral point of 24,000 miles.


--> www.abovetopsecret.com...

Regards
yf



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Wally Schirra passed away today he was 84.



A moment of silence for the (dearly) departed. Condolences to his family and friends.



posted on May, 5 2007 @ 07:00 PM
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Undo, thank you for recognizing Wally Schirra this guy was sharp as a tac I got to see part of his interview on T.V. and he was his own man as well as a great Astronaut. I know Wally wanted to tell us more because you could tell by his answers during his interviews.

I had the pleasure of working with and meeting one of the astronauts that I will not name when I worked with Eagle Shield out of Grand Prairie, Texas. The first question that I asked him was did you ever see any UFO's during a mission and his answer was NO Never Did.

When working with Eagle Shield I was awarded an Eagle Shield Presidents Club ring with the astronauts and Eagle Lander on the Moon engraved on the side of the ring with a diamond and stars on the face of the ring. 10 such rings were ever issued in the companys history. Everytime I was wearing the large ring everyone would ask if I was an astronaut and it is diffinitely an impressive looking ring. My best buddy Truman, when he was alive was a Presidents club member also, when asked if he was an astronaut when eating at restaurants he would say who do you think took those pictures of the astronauts on the Moon. True story LOL Rik Riley





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posted on May, 6 2007 @ 12:21 AM
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John,

You think this is joke or real?

www.youtube.com...
UFO on Moon



posted on May, 6 2007 @ 01:25 AM
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If it is real, that is very, very interesting indeed. I wonder if that is somehow the cause of the strange, tunnel looking constructs on the surface shortly before this?

here is another, with stills instead:




posted on May, 6 2007 @ 02:22 AM
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Rest in Peace Wally Schirra, you were a true American Hero with an attitude.
May you find your bliss......



posted on May, 6 2007 @ 11:23 AM
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John, i don't believe, was trying to state that Wally was a hero. The limited verbage about him left me with an impression of a petty man who's argumentative behavior and arrogance cost his team their careers.

Not trying to disrespect the man after he dies...just pointing this little bit out to see if i am mistaken?



posted on May, 6 2007 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
John, i don't believe, was trying to state that Wally was a hero. The limited verbage about him left me with an impression of a petty man who's argumentative behavior and arrogance cost his team their careers.

Not trying to disrespect the man after he dies...just pointing this little bit out to see if i am mistaken?





There are 2 sides to all of us. I was just trying to point out that Wally was just as human as the rest of us. Of course Wally was a hero. But some heros occasionally have a real poor attitude.



posted on May, 6 2007 @ 02:03 PM
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A poor attitude? LOL...

you describe yourself in much the same way, don't you?


What are your thoughts on the Youtube video above? That is a most interesting piece of information, and if it is billions of years old as suggested in the video (which i find hard to believe) it would cause me to rethink virtually everything that I have seen thus far.



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