Crazy - I go on a slight hiatus and come back to find that Lear is the new Prophet Yaweh, David Icke, etc..

Well tell me this John - would you be willing to undergo a multi-pronged lie detector test on video - administered by one of the veteran ATS members (or moderators) here?

Careful what you say - don't underestimate the resources members have here at their disposal.

But if you will not - I think you expose yourself as yet another dead end.

What say you?

Hey John...
I have a question for you, that i have been trying to structure for some time...

I guess here goes...

If the various intelligence agencies of the world are truly the cause of the main drug smuggling going on, and so many people know about it (dozens of well contructed threads on ATS)...

then why isn't anything being done, or anything being reported in the MSM?

Is this the elephant in the living room that no ones wants to send home?
and is it because he will take his great party supplies with him?

In other words... are the people who could change it, also supporting it? (media heads, legal, FBI, ect)
essentially a self insulated conspiracy?

also... is it a government that is running the intelligence drug smuggling operations, or have the operators themselves earned the franchise?
thanks for any info or angles you have.

And greetings to Alli... welcome...
thanks for loaning your pop to us.

Originally posted by johnlear
Is this a question or sarcastic comment?

actually, sarcasm wasn't even used by me

maybe you took it that way accidentally though...

i just think it weird that the aliens can't live on the surface of mars...

do you think those pictures from the twin rovers are fake / edited???

Thanks a lot John for answering my questions. Much appreciated.

Originally posted by johnlear

No. I do not believe myself to be 100% correct on anything. Sometimes I make the error of not including "this is my opinion" often enough in my posts. For instance, in the post on holograms I should have said, "This is how it may have happened" instead of "This is how it happened."

I was thinking, in regard to the above statement, maybe it would be helpful for yourself, and a lot of people who have respect for you due to your various acheivements in life, if you used a signature.

You can add it by going to the "member center", then Account Settings, and typing in the little box marked "Signature:" [i know, funny that...]. Perhaps something to the effect of: "All the above is strictly my own opinion", or you know, words to that effect. It might serve to stem the tide of rabid debunkers queuing up for a shot at knocking you down.

Anyway, that's just a suggestion. Thanks again, and please keep posting.

John,

I don't know if you've discussed it or know anything about it, but would you be able to talk about the Tunguska event at all? Do you know anything about it, etc?

Originally posted by TruthMagnet

Crazy - I go on a slight hiatus and come back to find that Lear is the new Prophet Yaweh, David Icke, etc..

Well tell me this John - would you be willing to undergo a multi-pronged lie detector test on video - administered by one of the veteran ATS members (or moderators) here?

Careful what you say - don't underestimate the resources members have here at their disposal.

But if you will not - I think you expose yourself as yet another dead end.

What say you?

I don't really mind being a dead end, I have nothing to sell, but hey, take you best shot!

I, John Lear, would you be willing to undergo a multi-pronged lie detector test on video - administered by one of the veteran ATS members (or moderators).

(signed) John Lear

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

Hey John...
I have a question for you, that i have been trying to structure for some time...

I guess here goes...

If the various intelligence agencies of the world are truly the cause of the main drug smuggling going on, and so many people know about it (dozens of well contructed threads on ATS)...

then why isn't anything being done, or anything being reported in the MSM?

Many have tried. Gary Webb tried. Look at what it got him

Is this the elephant in the living room that no ones wants to send home?
and is it because he will take his great party supplies with him?

Yes.

In other words... are the people who could change it, also supporting it? (media heads, legal, FBI, ect) essentially a self insulated conspiracy?

Yes.

also... is it a government that is running the intelligence drug smuggling operations, or have the operators themselves earned the franchise? thanks for any info or angles you have.

Suggest you read the Cutolo Document. Goggle it. I was one the first to receive it after he was murdered.

Originally posted by they see ALL

do you think those pictures from the twin rovers are fake / edited???

They are edited. And the sky on Mars is blue.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by they see ALL

do you think those pictures from the twin rovers are fake / edited???

They are edited. And the sky on Mars is blue.

what exactly did they edit out of the photographs?

do you have any photographs of mars that you know to be real and uncensored?

also, do you have any pictures of blue skies on mars?

thank you for answering these questions in advance.

Originally posted by TruthMagnet
Crazy - I go on a slight hiatus and come back to find that Lear is the new Prophet Yaweh, David Icke, etc..

If you cannot see the difference, then you should go back on hiatus, and stay there.

Careful what you say - don't underestimate the resources members have here at their disposal.

He said yes, but will you make it happen? No because you just wanted to chime in and contribute your worthless challenge. Polygraph test mean little anyway so your whole grasp of what it means to really deceive people, is sadly lacking.

What say you?

I say you should be quiet, and let the people who want to ask real questions, to go ahead and do that. But can you? Probably not.

John, my question goes like this:

In your analysis of the total and complete information filter, which allows nothing out (no blue skies of Mars, no pictures of the moon's opposite side) except what the info-masters want to let out, can you explain why fear of death is such an effective motivator? I mean, even the guy in the flight 93 supposedly said "let's roll!" which indicates that people in positions of 100% threat to life will still place that life on the line. Why has no real photographic imagery been leaked in these last ten years of computer ubiquity?

I can understand if millions of people who contribute to or work for NASA are kept in the dark, but I would expect at least some photo imagery to be leaked, and I cannot see how threat of death is enough to keep that information under wraps. Can you comment a little more on this? Thanks for your work.


[edit on 4-10-2006 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by smallpeeps

I can understand if millions of people who contribute to or work for NASA are kept in the dark, but I would expect at least some photo imagery to be leaked, and I cannot see how threat of death is enough to keep that information under wraps. Can you comment a little more on this? Thanks for your work.

Sure. Be glad to.

The threat goes like this and it has been used successfully for many years: "We want you to understand that should you leak or cause to leak or leak by accident or intent we want you to know that accidental leaks will sometimes occur. However, if we think that somehow you were involved in the leak we will not hold you responsible or harm you in any way. But, we will start by killing your **** and then your ******** and then your ******* and then ***l ******* **********. We will then kill **** ***, **** ***, your ******* and any other **** you may have. And then we'll start on **** *****. Your **** ******* will go first. But you, you will never be harmed in any way. Do you understand what I have just told you?"

Now I have cleaned this briefing up considerably and left out a lot of expletives but I think you get the gist of it. It has worked amazingly well.

Originally posted by johnlear
I think you get the gist of it. It has worked amazingly well.

Okay, so the "let's roll" level of heroism isn't the same as "Let's roll and let my family roll first, and slowly!" ...That would not be a cry made easily by any wannabe hero. Not to draw anything anyway from a hero who puts their body on the line, but putting your loved ones on the line is a whole other issue. I am glad for the explanation and hopefully questions will be framed with this in mind.

Now, is this what happened to the Kennedys? I don't know if JFK released ET info of use, but is that the reason for the string of deaths in that family?

Does this also mean that most local police are complicit in covering up webs of killings or family related vendettas? That detectives are kept from connecting certain threads, and are perhaps threatened with the same thing, if they continue to investigate?

Originally posted by johnlear

I don't really mind being a dead end, I have nothing to sell, but hey, take you best shot!

I, John Lear, would be willing to undergo a multi-pronged lie detector test on video - administered by one of the veteran ATS members (or moderators).

(signed) John Lear

Most Excellent!

I am not one with such resources at this time - but it is good of you to agree to this.

I tend to think you are simply calling my bluff - but my bias aside - is there any veteran admins or moderators here who are willing to set up a time and place to administer such a test?

I have used amatuer vocal stress test software before - which can be used in phone interviews - but I have not been very satisfied with its reliability in the past.

Anyone here up for the challenge?

I dont see what purpose it would prove...

If someone believes something, then they will come across as telling the truth, regardless of whether it is actually "the truth" or not...

And as John has said... he is willing, if someone wants to bother...

tell ya what...

next time i go thru Nevada, I will go administer the patented Jack Daniels lie detector method to Mr Lear, and let ya know what i find out...

ohhh, one other thing... could you help with furnishing the equipment required?
I think Mr Lear prefers a nice double malt, or perhaps it was Courvoisier i am thinking of...

That sound alright with you Mr Lear?

[edit on 5-10-2006 by LazarusTheLong]

Lazarus,

Heh heh - that's not such a bad method either.

I have in fact used this technique on my friends and several of their aquaintances who work at NASA - and it provided me with a certain level of otherwise unobtainable intel.



As far as your question as to what good would a lie detector be on a deluded individual - I believe you may not be full informed on the latest detection methods.

New multi-pronged lie detector techniques can be used to differentiate between memory related responses and created responses - as they access distinct parts of the brain - and produce signature involuntary responces.

Thus it matters not if the subject truly "believes" his answers or not - for his own brain/nervous system betray's the truth of the matter.

However I seriously doubt if the subject in question is deluded - he seems more articulate and grounded than many long time members here.

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

tell ya what...

next time i go thru Nevada, I will go administer the patented Jack Daniels lie detector method to Mr Lear, and let ya know what i find out...

ohhh, one other thing... could you help with furnishing the equipment required?
I think Mr Lear prefers a nice double malt, or perhaps it was Courvoisier i am thinking of...

That sound alright with you Mr Lear?

OK but I want you to know that this is going to be a major sacrifice for me because I haven't been drinking lately. I suppose if it is a Courvosier XO (thats with an X not a V) I could talk myself into this for the benefit of my friends at ATS.

John, I apologize...
I would never want to tempt someone with such sinful (and expensive) liquers...
so no peer pressure here...

But thanks for the offer of submitting to such a horrible interrogation method

Nitrous Oxide will work just fine , and not threaten a sober streak that you can be proud of.

Besides... I can read minds at close range.

BTW, is your mine close to Nelson? (send U2U with the response, I would hate to curse you with a garden full of groupies) I might really be in the area soon (gettin hitched by the first elvis I see)

I should perhaps make clear that when I say that I believe you are not deluded - John - it means I believe you are more likely to be a con man or simply an attention seeker.

Hence the request for more direct testing of your credibility.

I feel people who mislead amateur (and even professional) UFOLogists for fun or profit are a real and pervasive problem in the field - an as a scientist I am devoted to ferreting out and revealing such con artists wherever they may be found

As it is I do not believe it is useful for this community to continue discussing your outrageous claims without further investigation.

As you have expressed your willingness to step up to the plate - I would hope that some serious UFOlogists here would be willing follow up on your case.

Originally posted by TruthMagnet

I should perhaps make clear that when I say that I believe you are not deluded - John - it means I believe you are more likely to be a con man or simply an attention seeker.

Hence the request for more direct testing of your credibility.

I feel people who mislead amateur (and even professional) UFOLogists for fun or profit are a real and pervasive problem in the field - an as a scientist I am devoted to ferreting out and revealing such con artists wherever they may be found

As it is I do not believe it is useful for this community to continue discussing your outrageous claims without further investigation.

As you have expressed your willingness to step up to the plate - I would hope that some serious UFOlogists here would be willing follow up on your case.

Sounds good to me. How can I help?