Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by OSSkyWatcher
you've been hounding him for some time now on ATS

I don't care much for John and less for "hounding" anybody. I have to admit that it vexes me when somebody posts things that demonstrably false, on a forum I happen to like very much.

well it is your right to display that so

Originally posted by psh1234

Where on Mars are the 600 million Aliens living?

They are no 'aliens' per se. They look just like us. The only difference between us, other than they are a lot more intellectually advanced is that they don't wake up in the morning looking for Muslim/Arabs to kill for Christ.

Some live underground, some live above ground. The pyramids you see to the west of the Face on Mars photo of Cydonia are hotels or apartments or at least someone lives there.

When Bob was up at S-4 he was shown close up photos of the pyramid and he was able to see doors, windows, terraces etc.

All the public has ever seen was 35A72 and 70A13 from the Viking orbiter.

So Bob and I drove down to JPL to see Bob Nathan who was head of imaging for the Viking program. We first asked him if there were any other frames of the Face On MArs other than 35A72 and 70A13 and he said no.

Since the photos that Bob saw were obviously taken at a much lower altitude than the public photos we asked Nathan if Viking was ever placed in a lower orbit. He said yes but that no pictures had been taken at that altitude.

This is the beauty and complexity of compartmentalization. The head of the imaging program didn't even know pictures were being taken from the lower orbit; either that or he was lying. But then why even bother telling us it was placed into a lower orbit.

This rabbit hole is deeper than I thought.

IgnoreTheFacts

don't worry about me

but if John is here and he will answer questions i am going to listen to his answers, same with a lot of the people who post here, if i think it's an unrealistic claim i will use google

sorry about my explanation of our solar system, it's my lack of understanding when it comes to the terms used (forget a lot of it) i hope you can just trust me when i say that i have a better understanding than what it looks like

here is a way to tell if John is Good or Evil, spend a week with him in Vegas, even 1 night, 6 hours even from what the TV ads tell me it would have to stay in Vegas though (who runs those ads anyways? they keep pounding that message, every canadian i know makes that joke about vegas WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR EH!)


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John, took a couple of days but i just went through the 102 pages of posts here!! First off I want to thank you for reminding me to get in touch with my son and telling him how much I loved him. It hit home when you spoke of your father!! My father too is someone who was very tough to grow up with and I don't remember him telling me that. Being in the military at age 16 had to be tough for him or anyone! Keep pushing this family love, it's easy to get caught up defending yourself against repeated attempts by the glass is half empty crowd!! Thanks also for you're patience with people who've asked the same questions repeatedly and your incredibly humorous replies to the almight Buddhasystem!! MAybe we could have a ATS celebrity cage match- LEAR VS BUDDHASYSTEM!! ( oh I forgot Buddhasystem isn't a celebrity yet as hard as he tries) As far as your physical problems from the crash go Even though I'm only 47 I have torn rotator's in both shoulders from skiing and hoop injuries and I started taking liquid trace minerals about 10 years ago and it took about 99% of my discomfort away. I feel it double'd my endurance also and many others I know. Extracted from the plant humic (from shale in emery county, utah!) Give it a try I'll be surprised if it doesn't relieve some discomfort!
Love and peace to you and your family John, Tim Swisher

P.S. I'm not buying the gold mine story, I know you're secretly tunneling down to the underground network. LMK if you need any help

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by psh1234

Where on Mars are the 600 million Aliens living?

They are no 'aliens' per se. They look just like us. The only difference between us, other than they are a lot more intellectually advanced is that they don't wake up in the morning looking for Muslim/Arabs to kill for Christ.

Some live underground, some live above ground. The pyramids you see to the west of the Face on Mars photo of Cydonia are hotels or apartments or at least someone lives there.

When Bob was up at S-4 he was shown close up photos of the pyramid and he was able to see doors, windows, terraces etc.

All the public has ever seen was 35A72 and 70A13 from the Viking orbiter.

So Bob and I drove down to JPL to see Bob Nathan who was head of imaging for the Viking program. We first asked him if there were any other frames of the Face On MArs other than 35A72 and 70A13 and he said no.

Since the photos that Bob saw were obviously taken at a much lower altitude than the public photos we asked Nathan if Viking was ever placed in a lower orbit. He said yes but that no pictures had been taken at that altitude.

This is the beauty and complexity of compartmentalization. The head of the imaging program didn't even know pictures were being taken from the lower orbit; either that or he was lying. But then why even bother telling us it was placed into a lower orbit.

This rabbit hole is deeper than I thought.

Thanks for the reply John. If you don't mind, I have a few more questions.

1. I found the "they look just like us" part very interesting. How long have they been on Mars? It leads me to believe that they were us a long time ago, but got taken to Mars for some reason, some time ago?

2. A dumb question that you may not know the answer to, as Bob saw the photos and not you. But out of curiousity, how advanced are their everyday items (i.e. windows, doors, etc.)? . But I just can't see ET's using doorknobs and such, I was thinking more along the lines of teleporting in and out of places.

Mr. Lear,

I have had the opportunity on 11-11-99 to video a ufo event during daylight hours with witnesses. In my tape a spherical scout ship is hovering, marking a spot at about 3500 ft altitude, right in the middle of the flight path for Newark airport about 25 miles sw of Newark. The scout marks the spot for a cigar shaped harvester to manifest itself. Now on the video the harvester defends the sphere and itself and their mission. The harvester begins to harvest large luminous patches. They appear and then move toward the ship and then load into the bottom.

When I made this video I knew it was for a reason. It was authenticated by Bud Hopkins as well as Bruce Mcabee. I showed it to CNN and to Fox. I also felt that I was allowed to tape this event because “they” wanted the criticism of the Egypt air pilot to stop. Not to mention they had business there harvesting something. But I was inspired to videotape it rather than to just sit there and watch. So my questions revolve around the soul and your comments. I took the tape to the United Arab Emmirates in NY and gave them a dissertation.

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How do the aliens harvest and transport the souls? Are the souls being refined on the moon? Since we are containers was it because we could smash the containers that they became more visible? Ever since we got nuclear capability they seem to be more visible. Is that big machine on the moon used to store and manipulate souls? Would they leave if we broke all the containers? Would they get in trouble if we broke all the containers? Has any race of ET Mastered time travel? Could we negotiate with them if we did threaten to destroy all the containers? Is everything sucking down here because they are siphoning off the good ones and shipping back dilute souls? Are souls quantified? Segregated?

I want to sue uncle sam for lying I really want to let people vote their way forward. Have you or your friends figured out how we can hamstring the Government? This has got to be treason. And if not treason then absolutely self enrichment. I really don’t feel it’s fair that people who weren’t born knowing about aliens are getting to work off world with them. I was born conscious and aware, many years ago I broke something in my mind and saw all my past incarnations, and I realized once you know you can never forget. The blue rose of forgetfulness has lost it’s bloom with this sailor.

I believe the below video shows the greys harvesting souls from the WTC tragedy the UFO flares bright white as if absorbing energy.

Are our Souls their crude oil? Are we fuel for their ships? Are our Souls used for powering their ipods & devices? By the way, do you know if the greys are duty bound to a genetic lineage? Like servants to the King of the universe and his implanted disjointed containers?

I believe that the three(one who's name has escaped) were dispatched to inseminate a perfect dna strand into humanity, a dna strand that is perfect and won't degrade, and eventually that perfect dominant genetic code would eventually pervade the entire species. Through time that is. Tough to mark the exact time because of changing birth rates but might be done by say oh 2012 give or take. (snapping virtual suspenders)


Cordially,

Revernd Barna

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I would also like to jump in, with a question...

There is a population, currently, of about 6 Billion Humans on the Earth. The USA has about...290 Million? (Could be 285, could be 295...). We are told that China is surpassing 1 Billion...

IN another thread, talking about how America has 'purchased' Australia, there is a paper written in the mid- to late-nineties about that subject. ONE of the (many points) in that paper was that, Australia...an admittedly large continent, with admittedly limited resources, nevertheless was constrained by its agricultural ability to sustain, oh, maybe at most, 11 or 12 million...and the concern was, that due to immigration policies of various Governments, the projection was that Population might swell to '18 Million', or more...and that that could not be sustained.

Capt. Lear, I have provided the facts above in order to preface this question:


How on (Mars) can a population of 600 Million!! be sustained? Mostly underground, if I have read correctly?

First...food and water, and the infrastructure to provide those necessities...

...but there is more. Waste disposal...we are talking about the combined total of...the USA, Australia, Canada, Central America and part of Europe, in terms of population. Maybe I exaggerated, but I hope you can begin to see why, barring any incredible Star Trek technology, why it seems hard to comprehend an UNDERGROUND community of that size...on a planet one-third the dimensions of the Earth...

I want to believe in what you say...but it is difficult.

I tend to be logical...perhaps it's a fault...and I do not claim to know everything, of course. SO, hope you can take the time to dissect what I wrote, and tell me where I am wrong.

Thanks.

*edit to add* Despite what 'Z' may have said about me, I am what I claim to be. We talked about the late '70s, at SA in LAS...I mentioned 'Hank', you flew the Fords...we just never crossed paths, since I was a stick of a kid, then, barely 21...I left Scenic to 'Golden Gate', in Monterrey...in 1980. Flew the SA-226 there...they went BK in Summer 1981....Got a job on the SA-226 Sun Aire in PSP....later merged to Sky West, now...I left them in 1984, for a mainline airline...

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John, A few questions for you. How many beings do you or anyone you know feel live under the surface of this planet???
Any thoughts on this at all?? I'm quite amazed how many times this subject of sub-terranian civilizations has been touched on when referencing at the library the last couple of days! You mentioned Whitley Streiber told you to NOT go into the light and I believe you said something to the effect of no I'm heading into the light. What are your thoughts as to what happens if you DON"T go into the light??

Thanks and peace, Swish

Eat a raw nut!!! Save a cow!!

Originally posted by psh1234

1. I found the "they look just like us" part very interesting. How long have they been on Mars? It leads me to believe that they were us a long time ago, but got taken to Mars for some reason, some time ago?

I don't know. I doubt if they are simply us just because we have the same containers. Theirs is substantially more developed. And of course their souls are infinately more developed than most of ours here on earth.

2. A dumb question that you may not know the answer to, as Bob saw the photos and not you. But out of curiousity, how advanced are their everyday items (i.e. windows, doors, etc.)? . But I just can't see ET's using doorknobs and such, I was thinking more along the lines of teleporting in and out of places.

These are not ET's like the grays. They are just like us but more developed. Unless you are a gray or someting as developed you stikll have to open the door and you still have to use a handle.

Now the grays can not only go through walls, they can also pull you through also. I don't know how they do that.

All Bob said was that he could see doors and windows and terraces. I don't remember him saying anything about door handles.

Hey John,

Which one of your friends has been stationed on the moon?

And are you allowed to let the cat out the bag?

Thanks bud.

Dear Mr. Lear,

This is Rev Barna from NJ. I am eager to begin discourse on the soul and most eagerly await your response to my previous questions. I have been posting to the internet for quite some time. (since the days of dial up bbs on 9600 baud) My devotion to the truth has had many a negative reprecussion for me in this life. I am 45 born 11/02/62. Just in time for John's assassination. I have raised 2 children m/f 18 and 20 respectively. One skipped 8th grade and graduated HS early. The other is top 10 in his class here in NJ. Both are Presidential scholars.

I have no fear, I was never able to be frightened even as a child.(worried curious upset anxious yes but never fear) I have always known that our Celestial brethren were present and observant. (try keeping that a secret in kindergarten,{ Roman Catholic}) Through my many lives I have attained a natural attenuation with respect to what one would consider mysterious or unatainable by the initiate or neophite. Having been born enlightened and (sullied by imprinted language and education of this life) attaining the wisdom to know it by 21 years of age I have troves of information to bring to those who would need them.But as you know, without the pomp and circumstance, the drama of life if you will, these lesons would go unlearned.

We are on Shakespears stage now, and we are all players. I have never had the benefit of friends in high places, nor the benefits of large sums of money. I never sat at the Generals table but in all fairness he hasn't shared the bounty of mine either. If somone wants they can search my early newsgroup postings under STDamian@Aol.com.

In the grand scheme of things I have all of the mysterious explained, what I want is the facts of mans hidden involvement in these matters. That's all. You see, It's not nice to fool mother nature, and the governments of man have been doing just that.

In my world, where I live, I am the master of the Bavarian order of the Illuminati. I am the highest in the final triad of man, I am in charge of the telepathic high command {THC}. When my words are read the soul is charged, touched and enlightened.

(The above is a modest statement of rank nothing more)

Now that I have properly set the stage Let the banquet begin. I salivate in anticipation. (Rocky horror picture show) kick twice.




God Speed

Damian


{sig}

"Truth is my weapon and Love is my shield."

Originally posted by Rev Barna

Now that I have properly set the stage Let the banquet begin. I salivate in anticipation. (Rocky horror picture show) kick twice.

Thanks Rev. First you need to read sleepers thread, "I'm coming clean on extraterrestrials" and his blog.

Should take you about a week..

Then we'll talk.

Originally posted by Rev Barna
Dear Mr. Lear,

This is Rev Barna from NJ. I am eager to begin discourse on the soul and most eagerly await your response to my previous questions. I have been posting to the internet for quite some time. (since the days of dial up bbs on 9600 baud) My devotion to the truth has had many a negative reprecussion for me in this life. I am 45 born 11/02/62. Just in time for John's assassination. I have raised 2 children m/f 18 and 20 respectively. One skipped 8th grade and graduated HS early. The other is top 10 in his class here in NJ. Both are Presidential scholars.

I have no fear, I was never able to be frightened even as a child.(worried curious upset anxious yes but never fear)

God Speed
Damian
{sig}
"Truth is my weapon and Love is my shield."

You say you have no fear. I guess you are saying you have no fear of death. A fear of death keeps many humans alive. I have many emotions and fear is one of them.

John,hopefully you can help us with this,it is a mystery that has plagued me and my friends for decades.Summer of "75"myself and 5 friends were in the front yard when we noticed what apeared to be a meteorite fall behind a hill across town.We all piled into cars and went to where we thought it landed.We found it without much trouble,a giant orb totally on fire hovered about 10 yards above the road.When we drew close it began to move,it was navigating left,right.up.and down.We followed country roads as far as we could chasing this thing.By nightfall we ran out of road and this "thing"sailed into the night.The news that night mentioned a Russian sattelite falling to earth and was seen from Cal. to Canada.Obviously this was not a sat. Any ideas? This is actually very important to me,and my friends.Thank you

Originally posted by Rev Barna

I asked you to read sleepers thread before posting to me. You did not do that. All of the answers below could have been found in that thread and while I am going to answer this set of questions I am not going provide you with answers to questions you can easily find out for yourself.

How do the aliens harvest and transport the souls?

Its alien magic. Ask sleeper for more details.

Are the souls being refined on the moon?

Not exactly 'refined' but I believe the moon is some kind of 'soul transfer' station.

Since we are containers was it because we could smash the containers that they became more visible?

Containers are just our human bodies. It is a vehicle for the soul to develop and mature.

Ever since we got nuclear capability they seem to be more visible.

We never did anything major like that without their help. Yes, that would seem to be the case.

Is that big machine on the moon used to store and manipulate souls?

I think it is a holding and transfer station for souls. But sleeper says it is not.

Would they leave if we broke all the containers? Would they get in trouble if we broke all the containers?

I am not sure what you mean by this "broke all of the containers".

Has any race of ET Mastered time travel?

Of course. Many can back and forth in time as easy as we drive to the market. When you go back in time you go back on the 'time line' that you are in or on. You can't go back in time and change anything because that time line has already occurred. But you can start a new time line.

In other words you can go back in time and kill your father but you will still be here because that time line has already occurred.

Could we negotiate with them if we did threaten to destroy all the containers?

It is not the aliens that are going to destroy us. It is the Military/Industrial/NAZA/DoD that is going to destroy us in their arrogant, unfounded, misguided ignornace.

Is everything sucking down here because they are siphoning off the good ones and shipping back dilute souls? Are souls quantified? Segregated?

Earth is essentially a prison planet where we are all serving time. Depending on when we are willing to live without envy, hate or greed is when we get to go to other places which are infinitely nicer places to be.

We mix with all kinds of different souls, good ones, bad ones, horrific ones, beautiful ones all in our march towards our goal of living without envy, hate or greed.

I want to sue uncle sam for lying I really want to let people vote their way forward.

That would fall under hate. Maybe a little greed and envy mixed in.

Have you or your friends figured out how we can hamstring the Government?

No. We found out how infinitely powerful the government really is. And it is all very interesting.

This has got to be treason. And if not treason then absolutely self enrichment.

Probably but remember. We are not responsible for what the government does. We are responsible only ourselves and our family. Have you told every famly member how much you love them today?

I really don’t feel it’s fair that people who weren’t born knowing about aliens are getting to work off world with them.

That would come under envy. Maybe a little greed mixed in.

I was born conscious and aware, many years ago I broke something in my mind and saw all my past incarnations, and I realized once you know you can never forget. The blue rose of forgetfulness has lost it’s bloom with this sailor.

I believe the below video shows the greys harvesting souls from the WTC tragedy the UFO flares bright white as if absorbing energy.

I haven't see it yet.

Are our Souls their crude oil? Are we fuel for their ships? Are our Souls used for powering their ipods & devices?

No, no and no.

By the way, do you know if the greys are duty bound to a genetic lineage?

They are here to do a job and that job is the care and maintenance of the containers. Us. They are just maintenance men.

I believe that the three(one who's name has escaped) were dispatched to inseminate a perfect dna strand into humanity, a dna strand that is perfect and won't degrade, and eventually that perfect dominant genetic code would eventually pervade the entire species. Through time that is. Tough to mark the exact time because of changing birth rates but might be done by say oh 2012 give or take. (snapping virtual suspenders)

I don't believe that to be true but thanks for your input.

John,if there is mining on the surface of the moon could you tell us what exactly you think they are mining?Where does the "ore" go,and how does it get there.

John,thankyou for your reply and the links.I'm starting to get a better grasp of the whole affair.You didnt respond to my above post,could i implore you to take a guess?The objest we saw was about the size of a Volkswagen,yes we got that close.it was travelling slowly,hence we kept up with it.The reason i ask you is simply because you have seen and done many things,maybe you could lay this to rest for us.again thank-you

Originally posted by factor352

By nightfall we ran out of road and this "thing"sailed into the night.The news that night mentioned a Russian sattelite falling to earth and was seen from Cal. to Canada.Obviously this was not a sat. Any ideas? This is actually very important to me,and my friends.Thank you

Sometimes aliens play games with us. Sometimes its the military with their new toys.

The only way you can tell the difference is if you get abducted into one of these ships and you see a non-com in the background sipping coffee...its the military.

john wouldn't the lights on a craft give it away as a human made craft?

you are a pilot what are lights on aircrafts used for? i know the runways have them so you can see the runways at night(or no?), i highly doubt alien beings with such advanced technology would need lights on their crafts to see eachother when they (i assume) would have such advanced technology they would just be able to say "where is tom?" the ships says "4.5 light years to the left of you, do you want to call tom? or see a map of where you are relative to tom? do you want to teleport to toms ship?"

a human aircraft designer will put lights on a craft because it needs to be seen by humans

why would aliens need to see a craft when they are supposed to be telepathic, and their technology so advanced etc etc?



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