ATS 9/11 Conspiracy Survey Results, page 4

ATS 9/11 Conspiracy Survey Results, page 4

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reply posted on 9-7-2006 @ 08:10 PM by BIgTex13

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reply posted on 9-7-2006 @ 08:32 PM by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
If you were half as knowldgeable as you believe you are, you would know that some theories about 9/11 have been blown out of the water.

But there are plenty that havent. And in truth, its the offical story that leaks like a sieve. No intelligent person can look at the story and say it makes any sort of logical sense.

Plenty? Like what? What theories haven't been debunked? What theories have credible evidence to back them up?

I'll go over my answers in sec. (I gotta remember what I answered

) but there was someone else in another thread (I think it was the other survey thread) that put it best. A survey like this on a conspiracy site is like going to a Yankees game and asking the fans who their favorite team is. Since only one side is usually presented and talked about here on ATS the results were hardly surprising.

edit: what exactly is the "official" story btw?

[edit on 9-7-2006 by ThatsJustWeird]

reply posted on 9-7-2006 @ 09:32 PM by bsbray11

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Plenty? Like what? What theories haven't been debunked? What theories have credible evidence to back them up?

Start with the ones BYU's Steven Jones is exploring in this paper.

And remember that the credible problems with the official explanation (ie, various explanations endorsed by government agencies), are not Steven Jones. The credible problems are in his paper, but aren't him. So please refrain from the implicit ad hominems that I know you'll resort to.

You can at least address the material itself if you're going to make any comments about it.

[edit on 9-7-2006 by bsbray11]

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 01:05 AM by sosuemetoo

I'm going to readily admit, I couldn't stomach reading all of the replies. I'm sorry.

You ran an open poll. All of the members were notified of this poll with U2U.

What is sad is the hostlity I see about the poll results. The staff seems astonished about the results but they are not resorting to hostility.

How can I say this nicely without having a warn and a possible ban to my account? People voted honestly and openly. It didn't turn out the way some of you wanted.

The majority that voted have questions and wish for answers. Plain and simple. I'll leave it at that. Thank You ATS for the poll.

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 06:33 AM by Xeros

Originally posted by Boatphone

Originally posted by chinawhite
After watching michael moore's movie it changed my view. Maybe a survey to see the number of people that watched Fahrenheit 9/11?

Are you joking? You realize that is just a slick propoganda film, that twists the facts, and contains many out right false statements. You should really watch "Fahrenhype 9/11". It points out all the flaws.

-- Boat

I've just watched the trailer and it looks pathetic to say the least. Here are some qoutes "Michael Moore is a dork" - okay "The terrorist threat is real, it's everyday it's real" - moron " I said three thousand people were murdered! How can you say this!" - so let's shut up? "Iraq was a war for oil, that's just propoganda" This is a documentary based on propoganda as 'Fahrenheit 9/11' never says "Iraq was a war for oil" This is a miriad of irrelevance and is not adressing the important questions imo. Sorry to get a bit off topic. I'll shut up now.

[edit on 10-7-2006 by Xeros]

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 07:17 AM by muzzleflash

Originally posted by WestPoint23
this is only a very small percentage of America, most everyday Americans do not believe in these 9/11 conspiracy theories,

can i see your evidence?

or is this just purely your opinion?

i have a strong feeling its just your opinion , dressed up like a fact

so, show me the $$$

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 07:30 AM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Mog_of_Eligius
If you can get the MSM to run this poll I would kiss your ass.
NEVER in a hundred years are they going run a poll like this.

(sort of - it's not MSNBC .. but it's main stream)

The numbers are generally in the 40% range that the US government
had knowledge, or more info, of the 9/11 attack.

Less than half of Americans think 9/11 had a US Govt consipracy.
www.alternet.org...

51% of respondents to the Atlanta Journal Constitution poll (about 12500 people) believe the Government had prior knowledge of the 9-11 ...
www.indybay.org...

Zogby polls - 42% believe in some form of gov't conspiracy ref: 9/11
www.geocities.com...
www.911blogger.com...

AlJazeera wants you to think it's a conspiracy - takes the pressure off radical Islam
english.aljazeera.net...

CNN ~ 89% believe there is a coverup.
www.911truth.org...
CNN is radical left so these numbers are definately partisan.

[edit on 7/10/2006 by FlyersFan]

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 07:44 AM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
What theories have credible evidence to back them up?

Not many. There are plenty of websites with credible engineering explainations of
how and why the WTC fell. All it takes is a little time on google ....

www.geocities.com...

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 08:10 AM by Jaryn

I was glad to see that I wasn't the only one that selected "Not Certain" for almost every answer. I come here to discuss and to learn, not because I have already made up my mind...

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 10:19 AM by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by bsbray11
Start with the ones BYU's Steven Jones is exploring in this paper.

I'm going to ignore the rest of your post for now...

As far as this...ugh...
I asked for theories with credible evidence to back it up. And haven't been debunked already

He (whoever) believes pre-positioned cutter-charges were also responsible for bringing down the towers. Why? Because it was hot and because of how building 7 fell.
He doesn't go deeper though. If you believe they were pre-positioned tell me when and how they were put in place. Show me the CREDIBLE evidence (not, I think I see this so they must have used this) that they used what you think they used. Show me how these explosives were able to survive the plane crashing into them (as ever video shows, the towers collapsed at the points of impact), how they survived the resulting explosion and fires, and how and why these magical explosives lasted over an hour untouched.
Nothing like this has EVER happened before in the history of the human race so please show me credible evidence (meaning you've tested everything) that buildings and surrouding buildings would not have reacted the way they did.

I'm also STILL waiting for someone with credible info to explain away the terrorists...

Sure the official story has holes (what event in human history doesn't?), but I have yet to hear an unofficial explanation of 9/11 with less holes. That's what I'm waiting for.

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 10:48 AM by df1

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Sure the official story has holes (what event in human history doesn't?), but I have yet to hear an unofficial explanation of 9/11 with less holes. That's what I'm waiting for.

The us government has trillions of dollars and untold media resources. And despite these vast amounts of money and resources the official story still has major credibility issues. Those debunking the official story have pocket chain and virtually no equivalent resources, yet they are still able to easily shred the official story. If you are unable to hear an unofficial explanation with less holes then you just arent listening.

As for the byu professor being debunked, I do not agree. His explanation has been dismissed, but it has not been debunked by a long shot.

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 12:07 PM by build319

Originally posted by Jaryn
I was glad to see that I wasn't the only one that selected "Not Certain" for almost every answer. I come here to discuss and to learn, not because I have already made up my mind...

Thank you. You put it better than I could

This place is here to ask questions.

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 01:46 PM by Apoc

It would be interesting to see a poll on specific theories. The problem I have is that there are so many flavors as to what happened, it's hard for me to accept any one specific conspiracy as true. At least the official verision of events is unified. Until someone can come up with one unified opposition theory with all their intellectual ducks in a row, I can't help but be on the side of no conspiracy.
I also just get a feeling that many people who believe in a conpiracy are fueld by Bush-Hate and they WANT to believe something evil and insidious about him. This is a bad place to start for rational, open-mindedness. If you start with the theory that someone is a jerk then look for ways to justify your belief, you are working backwards. The correct process is to gather facts from multiple sources and analyse evidence, then come to conclusions. EVEN THEN one must be open-minded to new information as it is revealed.

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 01:54 PM by CasualOne

I am not surprised by the results of the quiz, must members of ATS do believe in conspiracies. What I would like to see is a break down showing results for registered and unregistered poll takers as well.

The poll itself is next to worthless, it's like asking a series of questions to beer drinkers like:

1. Do you think there is more to beer than lager?
2. Do you believe that beer is good to drink while watching football?
3. Do you think that "big beer" is good for beer?
4. Do you believe that beer is good for breakfast?

Great idea but when you ask conspiracy whacks if they think something smells of conspiracy even without the PROPAGANDA of 9-11, from both the pro and con sides, duh let me guess........you get manufactured results.

"In the abundance of water, the fool is thirsty." Bob Marley

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 03:18 PM by BaastetNoir

Originally posted by WestPoint23
BaastetNoir, this is only a very small percentage of America, most everyday Americans do not believe in these 9/11 conspiracy theories,

Sadly it is not as small as you think... and vene sadder its spreading accross the world... its like a "nonsense virus", and Im beeing ncie when i call it "nonsense"

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 03:29 PM by subz

Originally posted by BaastetNoir
Sadly it is not as small as you think... and vene sadder its spreading accross the world... its like a "nonsense virus", and Im beeing ncie when i call it "nonsense"

Oh it would be so nice to be the knower of all and doubter of nothing. Doubter of nothing goes hand in hand with ignorance. You might be right but if you do not entertain the notion you might be wrong you are embracing ignorance.

If you have looked at as much evidence of what transpired on that fateful day and you have concluded that it was 19 hijackers with box cutters then so be it. But to claim you are right and everyone else is infected with some "nonsense virus" is arrogant and ignorant.

If you do not entertain the notion of government complicity then either ignore those who do or refute their theories with your own evidence. Dismissing them out of hand as nonsense does no one any service and creates a perfect climate for lies to flourish. Why would any one actively foster those kind of circumstances?

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 03:32 PM by wellwhatnow

What disappoints me about this poll is that some people would use it as an opportunity to attack other members. That’s not what ATS is about.

This poll wasn’t intended to prove what happened on 9/11, it wasn’t intended as proof of any one theory over any other. It seems to me to be intended to demonstrate what some of the people in my ATS community thought about the different aspects of a single event. It wasn’t designed to place blame or tell anyone that his or her theory is wrong. It wasn’t designed to see if members of ATS believe in conspiracies.

So many people here seem to be trying to turn this poll into something that it isn’t.

It seems to me that the real results of conducting a poll on ATS are bickering and arguing. Someone even went so far as to tag this thread with “moonbats.” That isn’t helping the searchability feature one bit, it is a misuse of the tools that ATS has provided for us. These reactions tell me more about some ATS members than the poll did, and that’s unfortunate.

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 03:35 PM by dgtempe

There you have it. Thank you for running this for all to participate. It shows thought behind it, it shows that not everyone thinks 9/11 was staged, while the majority think it was. Its a great barometer.

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 03:44 PM by Blaine91555

Red Beer is great for breakfast! Then you switch to a Pale Ale for lunch to get you ready for the hardcore Dark Porter for dinner. Then add a couple of shots of good Kentucky Whiskey for a late night snack.

I've been doing some polling of my own. I can not find a single person who believes anyone other than the terrorists were directly involved with 9/11. Not one!!! Even our office chemtrail guy thinks thats laughable. They do seem to believe that our past dealings with the Middle East were handled badly and were a contributing factor.

Most agreed that 90% of the conspiracy hype is to sell books, tapes and seminar tickets to naive people. It's also a great way to guarantee clicks on the counters on web sites.

I've only found a couple of issues on ATS I would consider valid and have justified the time I've spent here. I think a large number are here because of hate. Hate makes a lousy research partner. The right hates the left, the left hates the right and everyone hates the government and worst of all many are here because they hate the United States based on lies they have been brainwashed into believing. I'd be willing to lay odds that the most outspoken advocates of the 9/11 conspiracies are America bashers acting out of irrational hatred.

reply posted on 10-7-2006 @ 04:00 PM by subz

Blaine91555, have you taken the time to read about Operation Northwoods? You are aware that false flag terrorism is a very real reality and that the United States government considered it as a method of attacking Cuba. There is precedent for government complicity in terrorism. There are holes you could fly a plane through in the official version of events.

At the very least there is enough questions to warrant an impartial investigation into 9/11. The 9/11 Commission report didnt even attempt to explain what happend to WTC7. Something that huge to be left unexplained in an official account is laughable.

You are well within your rights to not believe in a conspiracy theory regarding government involvement in 9/11. So long as you afford the same courtesy to those of differing opinion and never stand in the way of honest discussion of it. Then the facts will always shine through.

[edit on 10/7/06 by subz]

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