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Element 115 - Ununpentium

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posted on Jul, 10 2006 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by jbondo


One thing that I was wondering and maybe John has a thought on this is that if we have such advanced technology as to be able to zoom about the universe then why fight wars in an obviously primitive manner? Or spend billions developing aircraft such as the F-22?



Thats my question also jbondo. Why all the mass killing? Why 911? Why the deception? Whats the plan? Is it really for 'the redistribution of wealth', as some have postulated so that there are just 2 classes of humans: a few at the top who get everything they want and the rest of us slobs? As I've said before the 'real' technology base of our 'government' is at least 50 years ahead of where mainstream science thinks it is. So why not share it? What do those guys at the top want? Power? Money? Women? Theres a point in there somewhere.




posted on Jul, 10 2006 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by Access Denied


Does that help clear up some of the confusion?



Thank you AD for more very thorough mainstream science.



posted on Jul, 10 2006 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Access Denied
Besides, there's nothing special about it.


Purported findings exist claiming elements 115-118 have a cumulative Gravity A wave which extends past the perimeter of the atom (a theoretical property of hypermassive elements). The gravity A wave possesses frequency and amplitude which can be accessed, directed, measured and amplified and not just simply for propulsion purposes but also for imaging, energy transmission/generation and communication.

This is significant if true.

The applications of accessible gravitational waves has been under serious study for over forty years and was first suggested by Poincare in the early 1900’s and expanded upon by Einstein and later by nobel prize winners Hulse and Taylor who validated Einstein’s theory. Most studies today employ the use of superconductors generating both high and low frequency accessible gravitational waves or celestial generated gravitational waves such as at LIGO.

Oddly, this possible finding also supports the claims of Bob Lazar which he made long before the element had been reported as created/observed. Additionally, there is a belief by a few that the currently B-2 uses technology from this science etc. Perhaps it is all fiction, but there are many theories and a few examples that exist today suggesting the very real possibilities.



mg



posted on Jul, 11 2006 @ 12:50 PM
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The Metal That Is Heaver Than It Looks,It Use On The UFO's By The Aliens,We Found Some This Stuff Some In Forein Countries,It's Cool You Can Drop It And Speads Like Water But It Metal, Confusing



posted on Jul, 11 2006 @ 01:57 PM
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John, You mentioned that the 115 was somewhere in downtown LA? Where would that somewhere be? If 115 can put off Anti-Matter, which im pretty sure I read in one of your posts at the beggining of this thread the one with the lantern and dry ice. So with a little bit of cloning and experimentation here inter-stellar travel is at our fingertips! Think about it man, I won't lie im young, Im 15 years old but Anti-Matter is one thing I know alot about and if it gives of Anti-Matter then it is exactly what is required for an Anti-Matter sorta battery, that could run a ship that could travel vast distances at vast speeds, Anti-Matter is a magnificent energy source but is very hard to create we have one way to create it and its taken 40 years to get micro weights of it... Just think about how much 115 could help mankind we just need to know where it is, and a little help working with it...



posted on Jul, 11 2006 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by inspiringyouth
John, You mentioned that the 115 was somewhere in downtown LA? Where would that somewhere be? If 115 can put off Anti-Matter, which im pretty sure I read in one of your posts at the beggining of this thread the one with the lantern and dry ice. So with a little bit of cloning and experimentation here inter-stellar travel is at our fingertips! Think about it man, I won't lie im young, Im 15 years old but Anti-Matter is one thing I know alot about and if it gives of Anti-Matter then it is exactly what is required for an Anti-Matter sorta battery, that could run a ship that could travel vast distances at vast speeds, Anti-Matter is a magnificent energy source but is very hard to create we have one way to create it and its taken 40 years to get micro weights of it... Just think about how much 115 could help mankind we just need to know where it is, and a little help working with it...



I am thinking about how much 115 could help mankind. I am also thinking about how much help a 21 Kva diesel generator would have helped Custer.



posted on Jul, 11 2006 @ 03:10 PM
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It's nice to find a current discussion on this, as I was talking with someone on this topic a couple days ago (what I could remember).

I was talking about gravity being instantaneous & travling in a wave, to which the person I was speaking was totally confused on.

I actually couldn't remember if the instantaneous idea of gravity was from Lazar's story or if I had picked it up somewhere else, but I see John stated that it is instentaneous here.

John, is there any written text some place online that talks about both gravity being a wave & being instentaneous together, maybe something from lazar??? Just wondering...

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I appologize for typo's, I've always been a terrible speller...



posted on Jul, 11 2006 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by bobby3
It's nice to find a current discussion on this, as I was talking with someone on this topic a couple days ago (what I could remember).

I was talking about gravity being instantaneous & travling in a wave, to which the person I was speaking was totally confused on.

I actually couldn't remember if the instantaneous idea of gravity was from Lazar's story or if I had picked it up somewhere else, but I see John stated that it is instentaneous here.

John, is there any written text some place online that talks about both gravity being a wave & being instentaneous together, maybe something from lazar??? Just wondering...

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I appologize for typo's, I've always been a terrible speller...



Try boblazar.com



posted on Jul, 11 2006 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Try boblazar.com


I actually did but couldn't find anything on the instentaneous nature of gravity (just a mention of waves)...

I'll check again & see what I can find...



posted on Jul, 11 2006 @ 03:42 PM
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John,

Thank you for typing up your notes on mass units. That is interesting for us to look at. Can you think of, or do you know of, any reproducible experiments that we could do (without invading a collider or obtaining 115) to test any of the SMU or 1/3 charge claims?

And look up anyway, just because you can.

Anyways, you should all be aware that when a publically open project funded by certain government agencies is particularly successful, it enters a second phase in which those people and institutions who are not willing to go black are cut from applying for that round of funding. Many good ideas go into the blackhole that way, as scientists need money to take their kids to see Superman. Often, public institutions are effectively disallowed in this phase, at which time the research dissappears into the MIC. Perfectly legit secrecy if not abused.

Furthermore, many government activities are compartmentalized into private companies acting as subsidiaries and contractors. So even if Lazar was a pimp, there is still a finite probability that the 'contractor' he was working for as a technician was doing more than mopping floors.

I am supposedly a professional scientist, and I do my best. But I was told by a person of significant need to know that if I really wanted to do anything new, I needed to be working on black projects.

As a result, the idea that science, in particular, engineered science, is far more advanced in the black world than in the civilian world is a fact to me. (Or a story and an opinion from your perspective.) The only thing I don't know is the magnitude of that technological distortion.

Does peer review serve to police free thinking? Hell yes. Sadly, it does. On the other hand, as a relatively unsuccessful scientist, it is too easy to fall into the trap of blaming the 'mainstream' for rejecting ones ideas. Reproducibility is the key to meaningful science.

It seems that John believes that this gap is huge. Is there someway, then, to test the gap itself. If it is that big, I would think there might be. Which question do we have to ask you, John?


[edit on 11-7-2006 by Ectoterrestrial]



posted on Jul, 12 2006 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by Ectoterrestrial
Which question do we have to ask you, John?



I'd like to know that also. I believe the man has something very important to tell us and I don't expect him to volunteer it.



posted on Jul, 12 2006 @ 08:23 AM
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Actually I think Ecto has it really going on. There are a few progressives in here. Maybe we should be asking him the questions!


John, this is all too fascinating. You are a catalyst for change. My thesis is since we cannot absolutely prove with observation and corrobating evidence the existence of other life beyond our biosphere, our life is therefore a singularly unique phenomena of the morphogenetic field. Certain theories can support my thesis both directly and indirectly, the latter such as multiple worlds and the former such as nonexistence of space/time. But as theories they are not absolutely proveable.

Your antithesis, based upon observation and corrobating evidence that is still not absolutely proveable assumes the opposite camp. The bearing it has on my thesis is about as interactive as two deaf and blind men passing in the middle of the night. So adopting the synthesis results in my viewpoint shifting from one of observation to the new perspective of the observer. In the synthesis I become the paradox living in a quasistable macroquantum state accepting both cases as factual.

Now if no one opens the door on me I'll be fine...



posted on Jul, 12 2006 @ 10:01 AM
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Bobby3, try this web site for some info on the speed of gravity.

www.gravitywarpdrive.com...



posted on Jul, 12 2006 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Matyas
Actually I think Ecto has it really going on. There are a few progressives in here. Maybe we should be asking him the questions!


John, this is all too fascinating. You are a catalyst for change. My thesis is since we cannot absolutely prove with observation and corrobating evidence the existence of other life beyond our biosphere, our life is therefore a singularly unique phenomena of the morphogenetic field. Certain theories can support my thesis both directly and indirectly, the latter such as multiple worlds and the former such as nonexistence of space/time. But as theories they are not absolutely proveable.

Your antithesis, based upon observation and corrobating evidence that is still not absolutely proveable assumes the opposite camp. The bearing it has on my thesis is about as interactive as two deaf and blind men passing in the middle of the night. So adopting the synthesis results in my viewpoint shifting from one of observation to the new perspective of the observer. In the synthesis I become the paradox living in a quasistable macroquantum state accepting both cases as factual.

Now if no one opens the door on me I'll be fine...




....creeeeaaaakkkkk.....there, Matyas, is that better? Matyas? Matyas?



posted on Jul, 12 2006 @ 10:40 AM
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ROTFLMAO

If reproducibility may be a problem conduct the test only once.


I'm not following you here. Are you talking about pseudo-science, or the state-of-the-art in LPUs (Least Publishable Units)?


But seriously, I'm really curious if there is some way to test for a gap. Some knee-jerk reflex or something.....

As for asking ME the questions, bad idea. John and others might have insight into 115.

I was just trying to point out that some of the ascerbic anti-lazar claims in the linked timelines insinuate untriths. In particular, being part of a contractor does not mean you aren't in deep. In fact, it may be the other way around.

And peer-review does squash good ideas sometimes. It can literally take 2 decades of fighting just to push a good idea through if it has a negative taste to the "ego gratification vector of the peer cluster." I've known some brilliant people in my field with highly accepted ideas who had to spend 20 years getting papers rejected just to push through an idea. And then there are the regional and national fights that continue to fracture what both sides claim to be 'the truth.' Science isn't a textbook. It just isn't that simple.

I'm not claiming to believe Lazar. But if I let some character assassination push him out of my mind, I would be being a lazy juror. Stories are stories. Worthy of observation.

I'm not going to rattle on about this anymore, the topic is 115. But it gets my goat when I see people make claims like 'he worked for a contractor.' Lol!

If 115 has the properties John and Bob assert to have observed, and people and others are using it in our general vicinity, could we detect its use?
I know GR physicists have been pushing for years to get funding for their orbitting rod and satellite cluster experiments, to no avail. Is there something we could do on the ground?

[edit on 12-7-2006 by Ectoterrestrial]

[edit on 12-7-2006 by Ectoterrestrial]



posted on Jul, 12 2006 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Ectoterrestrial



I'm not following you here. Are you talking about pseudo-science, or the state-of-the-art in LPUs (Least Publishable Units)?


He's being facetious here. The problem is can we know something to be true but unless we can gets the components to prove it we can't prove it and guess who has control of the components.



Anyways, I'm really curious if there is some way to test for a gap. Some knee-jerk reflex or something.....


No. They get the toys, we get the bills. Thats science.


But seriously, if 115 has the properties John and Bob assert to have observed, and people and others are using it in our general vicinity, could we detect its use?


No.


I know GR physicists have been pushing for years to get funding for their orbitting rod and satellite cluster experiments, to no avail. Is there something we could do on the ground?


I don't want to belabor this but if a problem is already solved why would they want to fund it again? They would rather use that money for newer, cooler stuff. Want to get on the Black Project bandwagon? Its cool, but the downside is that you don't get to tell all your friends what you know and worse than that it is all compartmentalized. Since most of us on ATS don't have current clearances or clearances at all we get to speculate all we want and thats infinitely more fun than being tied to one little part of one little black project.



posted on Jul, 12 2006 @ 11:23 AM
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He's being facetious here. The problem is can we know something to be true but unless we can gets the components to prove it we can't prove it and guess who has control of the components.

I know. I was trying to drag Mr. texbook into a bar fight. Never mind.



I don't want to belabor this but if a problem is already solved why would they want to fund it again? want and thats infinitely more fun than being tied to one little part of one little black project.

Yet, I was told by need to know that in my field, what we were doing was essentially already done, somewhere, some how. Trying to learn of the where and how is one of the things that drew me ATS. John, you make it sounds like the where is Venus and the How is a long time ago. Yet they fund us to do it again on Earth anyways?

About testing for a gap or 115 on the ground....


No


You are convinced of that? There is no way possible to come up with a test?
Even if 200 ATS members started a forum for testing for the presence of Gravity 'A' waves, it wouldn't be feasible?



posted on Jul, 12 2006 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by PapooseS4
Bobby3, try this web site for some info on the speed of gravity.

www.gravitywarpdrive.com...


Awsome, you rule!

Thanks!!!



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by Ectoterrestrial



I know. I was trying to drag Mr. texbook into a bar fight. Never mind.


I hate it when I think I know whats going on and I don't. Sorry.



posted on Jul, 14 2006 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Ectoterrestrial



I know. I was trying to drag Mr. texbook into a bar fight. Never mind.


I hate it when I think I know whats going on and I don't. Sorry.



Hehehe. Ya, I get your point. I am but a grasshopper.

Take it easy on the gold supply. I got investments, ya know.

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