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Originally posted by TheBorg
And which point was that again? That a self-proclaimed criminal is guilty of criminal tresspassing?
You seem to be misunderstanding the point here. If I put a sign that says do not touch on a hot stove, and you disregard that warning, and put your hand on the stove anyway, should I be worried about how much you get burned by the stove?
You're missing the point here I think. The main crux of this whole case revolves around the very FACT that McKinnon KNEW going in that what he was doing was illegal. Doing so violated several laws, not the least of which is breaching a secret government server with intent. Not very secret true, but nonetheless, he shouldn't even have been there.
Within reason, I agree with you. But there are other means to test your skill than attacking a government server, or several servers rather. Yes, motive may matter, but what kind of "docile" motive could someone have for breaking into a secret government server? I don't think he was just "testing server security". He was after the UFO files specifically. He went there with the intent of taking something that wasn't his, and THAT is what gives the government the say, and the right, to decide what happens to him.
I live by the very same rules that I would make for society in general if I could. If I make a hard rule, it's only because I believe in a higher standard than most people. If I'm prosecuted for doing anything illegal, and I admitted to doing it, I'd expect the same kind of punishment as I would wish on someone else that committed the same crime.
This is the only part of this that I have zero problem with. I liked this segment. Thank you for at least giving a fair picture of the hacker. They aren't the evil entities that everyone attributes to them. Yes, they can screw up your systems, but legit hackers wouldn't do that. They only do things to further their knowledge of the syetems with which they are tinkering.
That being said, they do not go attack government servers because it doesn't help them at all. They gain nothing but trouble from that.
Originally posted by DYepes
Most cases of identity theft are a result of asshole hackers.
Originally posted by thematrix
A small note, Gary isn't as much a super hacker as they are trying to make him out to be.
He entered the systems trough well known misconfigurations and security holes that should have been closed years before his intrussion, all needed KB, software and patches to solve any and all of the exploited security problems were available publicly and for free for a long time, but the problems were left wide open by utter and complete incompetence by the departments the systems were part of.
He admitted it himself and fully disclosed the methods he used to gain access.
The holes, after it was discovered he exploited them and this case got massive media attention, were finaly closed.
Imho, he doesn't deserve the jailtime he will probably recieve and he should even be commended for showing the world how badly these goverment computer systems are maintained and secured.
The people responsible for leaving these systems wide open are the ones that should be on trial for treason, sabotage (voluntarely or accidental doesn't matter in this case) and for being a threat to US national security.
[edit on 7/7/06 by thematrix]
Originally posted by yeah right
if they still use microsoft then YES it WAS LEFT OPEN TO ATTACKS....
WHY OH WHY DO YOU THINK LINUX/unix ect.... was invented
in the first place???
cause ole'bill was in too much of a hurry for a buck
and never completed the ORIGINAL WORK
in other words
sold lemons and got away with it
it is SOLELY BILL GATES handiwork
THAT HACKERS WERE INVENTED IN THE FIRST PLACE
trying to get WINDOWS to be stable and NOT CRASH.........
[edit on 11-7-2006 by yeah right]
Originally posted by DYepes
Guts my ass!? They have no courage. They tresspass onto digital property typically using an abundance of other systems and PC's in order to hide their location. They are not trying to hide anything, they are just rude punks with too much time on their hands, or thieves with illicit motives. Where his guts now? He got caught and hes practically crying not to be deported here for what he did.
I hope next time this happens the Defense Department just plays dumb until they trace the location and then the CIA just surprise 'em and bring their sorry ass to justice. HACKERS ARE ASSHOLES! Most cases of identity theft are a result of asshole hackers. I am sure this dude would have had no problem droppin some keylooger on my PC and taking my info if I did not have any security measures.
Windows was upgraded because technology improved and allowed the creatuion of better performing systems with more features and faster results, and continues to do so to this day.
[edit on 7/11/2006 by DYepes]
Originally posted by Teknikal
I don't think he should be extradited the USA
...the USA can't be trusted these days with their current human rights records.