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Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Hi Doc, good post.
I would argue, however, that the struggle in Northern Ireland is, in fact, being won by the terrorists, if you want to put it in a win-lose context. Interestingly, when we speak of Irish terrorists here, I am presuming most mean Irish Catholic terrorists even though, I imagine, there are many in Ireland who would deem the 'Brits' and their Nationalist supporters to be the real terrorists on the Ulster stage.
It seems that the current situation in Northern Ireland is leading towards a, hopefully, relatively low key withdrawl, and a transfer of power that does not involve too much loss of face to the British. There is no victorious sense of 'job done' from the British side where Ulster is concerned.
This has been brought about, firstly, by the realisation that the British army were unable to engae the IRA on their own terms. Due to political and the obvious PR problems, the British army could not employ all the tools they believed neccesary to defeat the IRA. As a result, the 'provos' were able to sustain the 'war' indefinitely.
This, coupled with the facts that Sinn Fein have been able to evolve their political strategies and the inevitable demographic change towards a Catholic majority, has made it extremely difficult for Britain to justify a continuation of the conflict.
Basically, the IRA stalemated the British and have used politics and an increasingly sympathetic electorate to instigate the beginnings of a process that could very well lead to the fulfillment of their demands.
I suppose one could say that it was indeed a 'hearts and minds' strategy that eventually lead to cessation of large scale terrorist action in NI, only it was the 'bad guys'' strategy that appears to be the prevalent one.
[edit on 7-7-2006 by KhieuSamphan]
Originally posted by Flyer
Rubbish, its a war you cannot win, there will always be another terrorist attack. The only way to win is to convince them not to attack any more.
Originally posted by Durden
The only victory I'll grant the Bush Admininstration here is how they've so successfully made their citizens believe a war like that to be completely rational.
Such a ridiculous notion should really make you wonder what the other hand is doing...
Originally posted by undecided2
I realize many of you are doubters out there, but I honestly believe we are winning. The latest victory can be seen in the thwarted NYC tunnel bombing plot.
There have been several plots discovered and stopped since 9/11. I think the Bush administration deserves some credit here. I know many of you will say this is how they planned it (9/11 conspiracy, Iraq war, etc.), but there will always be those who think everything that happens is due to some shady conspiracy.
Originally posted by DYepes
Right.... anyways I believe, and so do many others that a good education is the foundation of any stable society. We need to rain down an endless barage of educational texts upon known insurgent regions and give our missles some time off.
Originally posted by Strangerous
Yet again a thread about the WoT has degenerated into a discussion about a parochial US issue - in this case the US education system.
Originally posted by mr conspiracy
Terrorists are getting more confident due to srtupid mistakes made by Bush administration.
Plots to bomb the New York tunnel, and also the Sears Tower in Chinago, shows that US policy is only creating more terror threat.
We often hear that war on terror is war against extremist ideology. The President says that its the extremist ideas that he is fighting.
And guess what?
"The strategy must do a great deal more to reduce the lure of the extremist ideology by standing with those moderate Muslims advocating peaceful change, freedom and tolerance," he said.
Rumsfeld noted that among the more than 300 war college students in his audience were an Afghan military officer and one from Iraq.
Originally posted by dgtempe
You kill one cocoroach and 1,000 come to the funeral. :shk:
This is a war without end.
Originally posted by joshai2334
Since the Administration has nothing but contempt for international law, Geneva conventions and Constitutional law, what is apparent to me is that there is a CABAL within the State whose purpose is to take this nation DOWN.
They took the USSR down; they're taking the USSA down.
Simple as that.
Originally posted by Flyer
All it takes is a handful of terrorists who still believe in their ideals and they have the ability to kill thousands.
Originally posted by WarGame
the IRA-Sinn Fé©® lost the war in Northern Ireland and if you came to Northern Ireland and talked to people on the streets you would see that they (Sinn Fé©®-IRA) settled for second best on 70% of the burning issues and 100% on their overriding issue,
they want an all Ireland, this by law can now never happen.
Really shocked to hear this kind of post come from a Scottish person (all be it from a Scottish catholic) but all the same shocked and surprised that you?re not an American with such words.