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Topic started on 6-7-2006 @ 08:24 PM by crittz
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I am just another one of tho's newbs here to ATS, as I do not know what has been previously discussed here and most of the old Icke threads are in
the removed forum ,I see a few threads popping up here and there about Icke.
My apologies in advance to older members of the boards if this topic comes up once a month and is 'old news', I am interested in other peoples
opinion here.
I would like to make this thread with the pretence of debunking some of David’s theories on all of his subjects from the illumaniti to his reptilian
agenda, and the real negative implications his research has or could bring to real people and the animal world.
Including perhaps some views on why David did not involve himself on these boards, again I really have no idea on the consensus of people’s views on
Icke regarding this.
Although I can not honestly say I am convinced either way on any of Ickes theories, and I watched his documentaries some time ago now, the subject of
Icke's integrity is now starting to become of interest to me and I'm sure many other new members of these boards.
I for one would like to see DI proved wrong, his theories proved false, and his real agenda for spreading his beliefs albeit money, fame etc.. gut
instinct tells me otherwise though.
(no links to his copyrighted media please) <--- This could be a good discussion on its own
But please keep it clean, respectful on topic and help to educate people like myself on Icke.
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reply posted on 6-7-2006 @ 09:10 PM by crittz
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Disinfo.com
Icke's biographical story offers ample examples of this common mistake of 'Seekers After Truth'. Professional soccer player, sports correspondent,
and later national spokesperson for Britain's Green Party, Icke underwent a highly publicized spiritual awakening after a visit to a medium and
healer. The brutal reality according to some conflicting accounts however, is that Icke got a personal assistant pregnant whilst on holiday, and split
with his family. The public outcry drove Icke into the very fringes of conspiriology subcultures.
unsure if the above is true, as I could find no source or refrence elsewhere, but still worth considering.
Also found an old thread with some usefull topics
Originally posted by clive
I too was interested in David Icke and had put some of his info on this forum. But now I'm not to sure about him. An ATS friend sent me some info
which I'll post here for you..
By Thomas Anderson.
To filter out true information through disinformation and junk is far from being an easy task. Every statement made by David Icke should be critically
analyzed trying to find out what are his true references. He does not mention the worthy sources of this information while he does not forget to
mention other books filled with inconsistencies and lies.
As for the Illuminati, I do not know accurately what it refers to. This reality of the Illuminati may be both true and false. It is true in the sense
that there is an elite manipulating the world with its own hidden agenda within secret societies and secretive groups. The false part is the way they
are depicted in most conspiracy books. The Illuminati conspiracy theories are mostly disinformation spread out by the agents of this very same elite.
Let me take an example. When Donald Rumsfeld chooses what is regarded as the Illuminati logotype for his new IAO agency, he uses the Illuminati
symbolism in order to discard those who will criticize the purpose of this agency and its data-mining project. His idea they will put forward
inconsistent arguments that spoon-feeders have spread out with Illuminati theories.
www.thememoryhole.org...
In a sense, acting this way, Donald Rumsfeld is and regards himself as a member of the Illuminati. He manipulates the opinions. He acts as an
"enlightened", but in the same times uses the conspiracy lies as a cover-up. He knows that intellectuals do not believe in conspiracy theories, as
they are developed in popular, manipulative disinformation books. If someone criticizes his project or the logotype, he will tax him a stupid paranoid
believing in "conspiracy nuts" (reptilians). He does indeed. He makes fools of his detractors. Just read the arguments opposed to them at the Center
for Security Policy (one of the organizations he belongs to). Also note the use of the flaming torch symbol referred to by Icke as the "brotherhood"
symbol.
www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org...
It is of the highest cynicism. Illuminati (or the establishment) have themselves written the false stories talking about them. The very concept of
Illuminati is intended to spread out disinformation. The concept in itself is not totally false because in a way these manipulative wealthy people
belonging to the ruling overclass correspond to the definition given to the term Illuminati.
As for Icke's reptilian stories, it is inspired from the belief of the old ruling aristocratic class of being of from a special blood, the old racist
idea (Gobineau) that Nordics belong to a superior race. Note that he sometimes uses the term "reptilian" in association with the more orthodox
"Aryan" one. This should remind you of something. I would tend to believe that Rumsfeld and Icke work for the same hidden agenda.
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mod edit to add link to old thread, per member request 
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reply posted on 6-7-2006 @ 09:48 PM by crittz
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A long discussion on Icke being a satanist
I have indeed found many articals in the ats archives, it does seem this is a frequent topic, so again my apologies for starting another.
Here is a good post, athough it mainly is discussing positive Icke content.
An intresting blog on icke
image source: http://www.adam.tiaghosting.com/blog/wp-content/photos/David_Icke_i
s_your_friend.jpg
I do seem to find more pro-icke then against ...but ill keep looking.
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reply posted on 20-8-2006 @ 06:48 PM by Amenti
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I have a few issues myself with Mr. Icke He is a prolific writer and researcher. and he should get his credit for that. You MUST double check his
facts when reading because he has a tendency for wholly false statements. I take him for what he’s worth. People interested in these things have
learned more than they care to admit from him. That being said I think he isn’t functioning properly.
I do think his past that you mention does play a significant role. He describes his father as vehemently anti-religion , I think his research led him
to a place that human greed or human quest for power wasn’t sufficient to explain certin motives, and his dogma wouldn’t permit him to declare it
evil for the sake of evil, and it forced him to sacrifice his integrity through shady references and blatant lies to 'prove' his preconceived model.
Now enter in his success and general cult worship status given to him by some. And he falls into the same old snare of pride and ego rendering another
good man useless. I don’t think he was initially a tool for the system but. He could have been recruited without knowing it. As I am fond of saying,
Somtimes telling truths can be part of the biggest lies.
There is the possibility of course that I am wrong on all counts
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reply posted on 28-8-2006 @ 11:46 PM by AscendedMaster
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I think David Icke is touching on stuff we just arent ready to know about....at least to all of us.
Those of us who have done the research can see that yes indeed, David Icke is on the right track, which is the least I can say for alot of ppl. Most
people are so programmed out there, and so plugged in to the matrix, they actually think its worth voting for one party over another party, when we
live in a one party state in reality.
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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 12:08 PM by Davidjayjordan
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Icke is a bookseller, first and foremost.
Sure he writes about the Illuminati, but seems to want to think he was the first to understand them, when they have been HERE almost from the
beginning. he is arrogant and his solution is absolutely ridiculous.
For the sake of the ego of his readers, he pretends that he and others can get enough enlightened people to stop the Illuminati. He and his witch
doctor literally guide them, and yet they obviously have failed with their Bridge of Love. Man can not stop the Illuminati, they have been ordained
and annointed by the Lord to take over. Its the Lord's PLAN, to give people choice and end the FINALE.
David Icke is unapproachable in his arrogance and yet goes on in delusion with his witchdoctor from Africa.
Ishut down his first discussion board because they couldn;t and wouldn;t answer questions
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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 01:01 PM by Alethia
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There are many things David Icke says that make sense, and have been discussed on here . But there are also many things he says that seem far fetched
and even ludicrous. And who does that sound like? Oh yeah, our own government.
To me he's a guy trying to highlight things to people about the NWO etc, but in this world, as evidenced in our celebrity culture and sex tape
obsessed society, you need to be far out to even get heard, so he says some far out things to get the spotlight, but at least while he has the
spotlight, he also says very credible things. So, as with what the government and media tell you, you take every thing with a grain of salt and move
on. To come on here with an agenda to "shut him down" is really superfluous, and for what reason? Why shouldn't he say what he says? Just as you
are allowed free speech, so are others.
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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 01:34 PM by Breifne
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I have watched DI videos and he is a genuine guy. He gave up broadcasting (I'm sure it was well paid) and indulged in the acult.
He has taken alot of stick over his 'Jesus' (or son thereof) comment on Wogan years earlier, and this still has not escaped him, as a PR exercise
anyway.
I would place him on equal level with Dr. Steven Greer - someone who was well paid changes direction for voluntary work - why? Is it because they
fully believed in what they done?
I do not wholly support DI in his assertions, but his resilience in bouncing back makes me want to believe in him. He is worthy of a second or third
chance in my book. As is anyone who can prove themselves as genuine!
Brei.
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reply posted on 25-5-2008 @ 06:45 AM by Zealott
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So what is Icke's solution to the satanist shapshifting baby sacrificing reptillians?
I have never read any of Icke's books or been to his site or anything but I keep hearing about him.
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reply posted on 16-7-2008 @ 02:23 PM by Anonymous ATS
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I've been reading some of Icke's stuff. Just FYI, Icke makes a clear distinction between the Aryans and the Reptilians. He DOES NOT say they are the
same according to his Ebook "The Biggest Secret". He suggests that Aryans came from Mars and were white, while the Earth humans were probably black
to deal with the Earth's closer proximity to the sun at the time.
I'm not saying any of that is true, but let's be clear about what Icke's actual claims are before we attempt to debunk them..
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reply posted on 16-7-2008 @ 02:56 PM by Essan
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I do know that in 1991 Icke appeared on live national UK television and stated that he was the son of god ......
He also has no understanding of bloodlines and basic genetics, let alone fundamental physics and biology (same applies to anyone who believes in
shapeshifters).
Whether he is delusional or just a charlatan I don't know.
As for bloodline, I wonder how Icke explains the fact that
this
pensioner is descended from 2 previous Kings of England? Or maybe he thinls he's an alien too?
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reply posted on 17-7-2008 @ 06:24 PM by Alethia
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Yeah, he did appear on TV and say that but if you hear him talk about the incident now, you hear him discuss how at that point he wasn't fully
focused, he was still in quite a shock and awe point after his period of what can be termed a "moment of clarity" when he realized he didn't want
to be a sports broadcaster and had a higher calling (something many, many people experience, and is commonly termed as a born-again Christian -
that's essentially what happened, so why Icke is panned for admitting it and others aren't is just ludicrous).
Furthermore, why is it when anyone claims to be the Son of God, they are immediately ridiculed and called a charlatan? Doesn't the bible itself talk
of the return of Christ? So if we're all expecting him to turn up, how is he going to prove he's the real deal? Does he have to perform a miracle?
Hell, when he was originally here people still didn't believe he was the Son of God then, hence him going through all the crap with cross in the
first place, and if he did come back the same thing would happen again.
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reply posted on 25-7-2008 @ 01:36 PM by Psychopump
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Originally posted by crittz
Including perhaps some views on why David did not involve himself on these boards, again I really have no idea on the consensus of people’s views on
Icke regarding this.
It would be great if Mr.Icke would join the forum. Not only for ATS but himself too. Maybe we could bring this to his attention (if he is not already
aware of ATS)...
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reply posted on 25-7-2008 @ 01:42 PM by mystiq
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Well I'm taking the opposite stance, as he's a warm and decent man and is right on time for his work. When I mentioned it to my mother on the
phone, she was skeptical, until she watched him, along with Arizona Wilder. She really woke up to alot of issues. When I relayed his earlier faux
paux concerning his "zeal" for his spiritual understanding after awakening, my mother was very impressed with him. No other phony PR type would
ever have displayed his niavety and innocence. He's very appreciated in our family. Thank you, David.
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