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So at what point do you draw the line, Muaddib? What now? One by one we go and take out Iran, Syria, Lebanon, NK, or anywhere there could possibly be a terrorist?? Then maybe we can be safe? They killed 2,700 of us, and we killed how many people from another country who dared stand up to an invading force? 100,000? 150,000? When is full retribution granted here?
Originally posted by grover
those are noble ideals semper....too bad we apply them selectively. Sudan....Rawanda....Cambodia....Burma....Uganda... the list goes on of dictators and genocides whose actions we chose to ignore because they were not stragetically important to us....then there are our own crimes including 600,000 killed in the Phillipines after we took over from the spanish.
I repeat...if it weren't for oil we wouldn't give a rats ass about Iraq, Saddam Hussien or his long suffering people.
Semperfortis it doesn't really matter whether or not we currently import oil from Iraq or not, the country represents a potential source of the stuff should we need it and it is therefore in our direct interest to have access to it, or control it. We can sugarcoat it in many other ways (and routinely do), but when it comes right down to it that is what really matters to us as a nation.
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
Why do I keep reading statements that Hussein killed "millions" of his own people and it never seems to be questioned?
He's on trial for his crimes right now and the US has spent obscene amounts of money investigating his crimes, and training the team of prosecutors and judges. He's charged with ordering the deaths of 148 people. Why is he not being charged for the "millions" of people he killed?
Not singling anybody out because I see this argument used by many, but really, if you are trying to justify the invasion based on this shouldn't there be some evidence to support it?
In the past two months, United Nations weapons inspections, mandated by American insistence that Mr. Hussein's pursuit of banned weapons be halted, have ranged widely across the country. But before this became the international community's only goal, Mr. Bush was also attacking Mr. Hussein as a murdering tyrant. It was this accusation that led the Iraqi leader to virtually empty his prisons on Oct. 20, giving Western reporters, admitted that day to Abu Ghraib, a first-hand glimpse of the slaughterhouse the country has become.
In the end, if an American-led invasion ousts Mr. Hussein, and especially if an attack is launched without convincing proof that Iraq is still harboring forbidden arms, history may judge that the stronger case was the one that needed no inspectors to confirm: that Saddam Hussein, in his 23 years in power, plunged this country into a bloodbath of medieval proportions, and exported some of that terror to his neighbors.
Approaching two million, including between 150,000 and 340,000 Iraqis and between 450,000 and 730,000 Iranians killed during the Iran-Iraq War. An estimated 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals killed following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No conclusive figures for the number of Iraqis killed during the Gulf War, with estimates varying from as few as 1,500 to as many as 200,000. Over 100,000 Kurds killed or "disappeared". No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi dissidents and Shia Muslims killed during Hussein's reign, though estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 150,000. (Mass graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shias and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Approximately 500,000 Iraqi children dead because of international trade sanctions introduced following the Gulf War.
Originally posted by semperfortis
Here ya go.
From the NY times that you all seem to love so much.