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Weapons Meet WMD Criteria

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posted on Jul, 30 2006 @ 05:04 PM
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Muaddib

df1 has been making those little posts all along. Obviously there are any number of proper definitions out there and they all say the same thing for all practical purposes.

A ridiculous argument at best, yet perhaps when you have nothing else, even that will do as a response.


The fact is there is NO one on here that I have met that has 1/100th of the qualifications necessary to qualify WMD's. The experts on the ground have done so. Those actually there, right now. We may debate this forever, yet because of our lack of understanding, expertise or prejudice, all of us will come to different and incorrect conclusions.

That withstanding, the ones qualified have made the call.

Semper




posted on Jul, 31 2006 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
...so you think that maybe Saddam's regime decided to load those trucks and semis just to take the explosives, and whatever else they took out for a ride?....

So you admit to just speculation. I could speculate just as well that they hid those materials some place else, if any of those materials were even actual WMD instead of some components or papers necessary to make them, or conventional secret weaponry.



Originally posted by Muaddib
He was a security officer, not a pilot, and unless you get really close to the plane to see the differences you can mistake the Russian Tupolev 154 with a 727....

Too bad he called it a four engined Boeing 707, which looks nothing like the three engined Tu-154 or Boeing 727. The only valid and verified claim he made was that there was a plane at Salman Pak, which was already publicly available information at the time he brought his story.



Originally posted by Muaddib
so why would "Fedayeen" train in an aircraft for?... After 1992 Iraq did not have an airline anymore...so no need to "train for counterterrorism using an aircraft".

Gee, maybe the plane was there already before 1992?



In the mid-eighties, Islamic terrorists were routinely hijacking aircraft. In 1986, an Iraqi airliner was seized by pro-Iranian extremists and crashed, after a hand grenade was triggered, killing at least sixty-five people. (At the time, Iran and Iraq were at war, and America favored Iraq.) Iraq then sought assistance from the West, and got what it wanted from Britain’s MI6. The C.I.A. offered similar training in counter-terrorism throughout the Middle East. “We were helping our allies everywhere we had a liaison,” the former station chief told me. Inspectors recalled seeing the body of an airplane—which appeared to be used for counter-terrorism training—when they visited a biological-weapons facility near Salman Pak in 1991, ten years before September 11th.
www.newyorker.com...




Originally posted by Muaddib
Iraq's U.N. ambassador, Mohammed Aldouri claimed that there were no planes there, there were only gardens and trees, and that it was impossible to have such training exercises there...So why did he have to lie?

That he'd have to lie because there was terrorist training going on is pure speculation. There could be other reasons as well.

[edit on 31-7-2006 by Simon666]



posted on Jul, 31 2006 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
The fact is there is NO one on here that I have met that has 1/100th of the qualifications necessary to qualify WMD's. The experts on the ground have done so. Those actually there, right now. We may debate this forever, yet because of our lack of understanding, expertise or prejudice, all of us will come to different and incorrect conclusions.

That withstanding, the ones qualified have made the call.

Semper

Considering ridiculous arguments, finding WMD doesn't prove that there was a deliberate effort to produce WMD or keep WMD behind. My own country has enough mustard gas shells left over from WWI to kill a few thousand to tens of thousands of people. All of the WMD in Iraq found were from or before the Gulf War era and both Duelfer and Kay admit that these do not seem part of a deliberate effort to keep WMD behind but were most likely either duds, forgotten, discarded, lost, ...



posted on Jul, 31 2006 @ 06:39 PM
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And yet the argument started as NO WMD's found.

Now that some are found, the argument evolves to "None were found that were produced prior to 12:01, Jan. 3rd 1998.

What is next?

Will your next argument be "Well none were found that were Green in color?

Semper



posted on Aug, 1 2006 @ 03:27 AM
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You can trivialize and mock all you want, but the simple fact is that no evidence has been found of deliberate stockpiling of WMDs and active WMD programs (except for the Al Samoud 2, which the UN was in the process of dismantling anyway in the runup to the war). All that has been found is pre Gulf War or Gulf War era crap.

[edit on 1-8-2006 by Simon666]



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