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Originally posted by Direwolf
These three sites seem to list the best record of 'giant' peoples in North America.
Hans: What I meant was three pieces of evidence not three websites. Pick what you feel are the three strongest, best evidenced pieces of information that prove Giants exist.
My statement about the Smithsonian was "The problem with giants is that there is alot of anecdotal evidence, but the hard evidence, such as remains and skeletons tend to disappear or become mislaid. The Smithsonian is guilty of this on several occasions, but my beleif is that the skeletal remains raised too many questions and caused the scientists of the time to dispose of them."
I didn't say that the Smithsonian was involved in some conspiracy to erase the worlds evidence of giants.
And I stand by my conclusion that the remains that were sent to the Smithsonian were disposed of somehow.
By either storing in mislabled boxes or by other deliberate means, they have been lost to the public trust.
During the 1880's and to some degree up to present day, evidence of an archeological nature that doesn't fit in the beaurocratic sciences definition of mans evolution or creation is discarded, lost or hidden away.
Once a scientist has spent a lifetime acheiving a position based upon a certain set of facts, they feel extremely threatened by anything that imperically challenges those facts.
A quick perusal of the scientific journals will show cases of evidence being 'discovered' in the storage rooms of museums and institutes. Science only recognizes what it is prepared to recognize.
In the references that are provided here, you will find numerous reports of graveyards containing multiple skeletons of 'giant' proportions. You will also find accounts of them being exumed by Dr.'s and Professors and shipped to the Smithsonian and other Natural History Museums for study.
I have no knowledge of skeletal remains found in China, or their destruction. I stated that there are Chinese records of using 'giants' in battle. Also of Mongols and Persians doing the same. These are stories of battles and wars that come from ancient sources. As I wasn't there at the time, I can't verify the accuracy of the tales, nor can I guarantee that the 'giants' involved weren't just huge Mongol or Chinese warriors.
Originally posted by menjo
Is it possible that the isolation of the Germanic barbarians had anything to do with thier size and the Romans lack of.
Book of Enoch - Content
The Book of Enoch describes the fall of the Watchers who fathered the Nephilim. The fallen angels then went to Enoch to intercede on their behalf with God. The remainder of the book describes Enoch's visit to Heaven in the form of a vision, and his revelations.
The book contains descriptions of the movement of heavenly bodies (in connection with Enoch's trip to Heaven), and some parts of the book have been speculated about as containing instructions for the construction of a solar declinometer (the Uriel's machine theory).
Book of Enoch - The book is made up of five sections:
* 1. Book of the Watchers (Ch. 1-36)
* 2. The Book of Parables (Ch. 37-71) (Perhaps at one point, instead of this was the "Book of Giants")
* 3. The Book of Luminaries (Ch. 72 - 82)
* 4. The Dream visions (83-90)
* 5. The Epistle of Enoch (91 - 108)
Influence from the book has been traced in the Hiberno-Latin poem Altus prosator.
Book of Enoch - Names of the fallen angels
* Shemyazaz (also called Samyaza)
* Araqiel (also spelled Arakiel)
* Rameel (Azazel)
* Daniel (see Daniel (angel))
* Baraqiel (also called Baraqel)
* Bezaliel (called 'Busasejal' or 'Basasael')
The book of Enoch depicts the interaction of the fallen angels with mankind: "Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals 〈of the earth〉 and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures".. "S[h]emyaza[z] taught enchantments, and root-cuttings Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqiel [taught] astrology, Kokabel [taught] the constellations, Chazaqiel [taught] the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel [taught] the signs of the earth, Shamsiel [taught] the signs of the sun, and Sariel [taught] the course of the moon" 1 Enoch VIII v 1. Later Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel look down and see the lawlessness caused by the fallen angels and make a petition to God to act. Uriel is sent to Noah to reveal to him the flood that is coming. Raphael is sent to bind Azazel, while Michael is sent to bind the associates of Shemyazaz (also called Samyaza or Satan).
Uriel's Machine shows how a prehistoric unit of measurement (the Megalithic Yard), accurate to a fraction of a millimetre, is derived from observational astronomy and explains how it can be duplicated by anybody who wishes to repeat the simple experiments, described in the book.
they show how a civilisation merged and was able to build an international network of sophisticated astronomical observatories which provided accurate calendars, could measure the diameter of the planet and accurately predict comet impact years in advance. They reveal that this is the true purpose of the great megalithic sites in Western Europe built long before the Egyptian pyramids. Further they show that the Book of Enoch, long a part of ancient tradition of Freemasonry but then rediscovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls, contains precise details on the building of a machine for the reconstruction of a shattered world.
Originally posted by BlueTileSpook
There have been skeletons of American Indians discovered here in Indiana that were measured to be between 9 and 11 feet tall, and a skull was found on the Western side of the state (if I remember correctly) that fit over a normal man's sized head like a helmet.
The above can't be considered a "race of giants", but there were some abnormally large people around, just like today.
Originally posted by menjo
I believe that this might be possible. When the Romans invaded Germania, the average height of a Roman foot solier was 5'5", and the average height of a German Barbarian was just over 6'. Is it possible that the isolation of the Germanic barbarians had anything to do with thier size and the Romans lack of. Even today, those of Germanic heritage are usually larger that the average person. I am half German, and everyone on the German side of my family is huge, no one under 6'2, and built like tanks, even grandpa, and I get this pleasant feeling when I hold a large axe... =]
Originally posted by RavensShadow
What I AM hoping for is to be pointed in the direction of solid, verifiable leads that contain either references to physical trace remains that can be verified currently, i.e., in a museum, a private collection, etc., where someone can go and look at them.