My opinion is that Enron's demise is linked to a conflict within the National Energy Policy Development Group, the highly secretive and still censored energy task force meetings from January til May 2001 which were to shape the Bush administration's energy strategy[1]. For an administration composed of oil executives, guided by military contractors and civilian intelligence agencies, this energy strategy -- from the war on terror to the annexation of overseas oil and gas fields -- probably was the base for the Bush administration's ensueing, and rather extensive, foreign policy.

Under the frame of these task force meetings, Vice-President Cheney met at least six times with Enron executives. The last time was on April 17th 2001, and the administration issued its (official) report exactly one month later.

The trouble started shortly after for Enron -- following these meetings. Named most innovative company in America by Fortune Magazine in February 2001, and highly lucrative up until April 2001, is it a coincidence that the corporation's demise, with bankruptcy declared in December 2001, was to follow so abruptly after the closure of the energy task force meetings?

How the Enron company failed to recover from the rather classic corporate hickups from which it suffered, is asking the technical question of how a corporation could be professionally framed by an administration, the intelligence agencies obeying its orders and the legal powers that it undoubtedly controls. "How did it fail and how did it fail so quickly?" asked Kenneth Lay during his trial about Enron, further calling the bankruptcy a more ‘complex’ story, and maintaining (just as did his colleague Jeffrey Skilling), that Enron executives had no motive for conspiring against their shareholders. A credible argument, given the succesfulness of the company, and considering the psychological character of its directors. Indeed, Kenneth Lay, contrary to the belief of the gullible people, is not your typical corporate gangster. Rather a highly succesful businessman whose character failed to bestow the needed respect by the highest administrators in the White House, possibly by George Herbert Walker Bush himself.

Originally posted by mecheng
Well... How convenient! Because of his "death" his conviction has been "erased". I'm interested to know now, what if anything, will happen to his estate. I wouldn't be suprised to start hearing rumors of Ken Lay sightings in Argentina.

His estate now goes to his heirs and since he was never found guilty they cannot seize that money. The privateer kept it right where it was intended to go. The Lays will be comfy cozy with other peoples hard earned cash.

Exactly... Don't worry, nothing to be suspicious about here. Keep moving people.

There's a whole heard of Houston lawyers waiting to carve up the Lay estate and the rest of those uber-bandits who got fat from Enron in civil court. If his widow gets anything from his estate, it won't be much. Don't worry about her though, they were tucking away money in her name from the get-go. Ken Lay didn't own a damn thing. It was all in his wife name. They were using his money for their high off the hawg lifestyle and writing it off as a businees expense. Like Capone said he was just a business man.

Originally posted by mecheng
Gee, I wonder why? Anyone feel like looking into connections between Lay and Judge Lake possibly by way of Bush?

Maybe Ken Lay will be living on that 98,000 acres the Bush clan just bought in Paraguay.

I know in my heart that emm effer is still alive. Sometimes there is no justice, but I'm comfortable with the fact that he will have to answer to his maker at some point.

Peace

Originally posted by Dr Love
I'm comfortable with the fact that he will have to answer to his maker at some point.

Not me. That bastard should have fried in front of all those he screwed over - then let the devil have his fun with him. When this is over his wife and family shouldn't have a dime left that came from his dealings with Enron but you know that won't be the case. And I haven't researched enough yet (but I plan to) but I have little doubt he's still alive. It's all just too coincidental.

An interesting development for this line of thinking may be in the offing.....CNN actually is talking about "a wide spread rumor that Ken Lay faked his own death".........!!!?????


Perhaps some of the main stream media will begin to investigate the possibility with some seriousness......they'd have the resources to track him down, if anyone did!!

PS.....I thought he HAD been convicted, but not SENTENCED, and that's the loophole he crawled through!

Any links to the CNN reports? I couldn't find any.

Sorry, no links.......just something they mentioned when I was watching. It was a couple of days ago, and on the 'Situation Room' as I recall......If I get a chance, I'll look for a link.

okay, if we're going to assume that everything major that ever happens is a conspiracy, then we might as well assume that this message board is also a conspiracy designed to propogate disinformation.

And then this follows:

Tony the Tiger was chosen as a mascot for Frosted Flakes because Kellogs wanted to give children the idea that tigers are friendly, and that will exterminate many children that wrongly assume that tigers are friendly creatures(basis: what do tigers have to do with cereal?).

When I got a speeding ticket last week it wasn't my fault, I wasn't going that fast, and me getting caught and pulled over was a result of a conspiracy that the legislature and the police planned in our state capital, which included a plan for the police to wait for me(basis: it wasn't my fault I got a ticket).

If more than one of you get mad at me for saying this, and I get flamed, then that was a conspiracy, too, designed to discredit anybody who would go against the mainstream.

We've heard it all before, c3hamby. Try something more original next time.

And I've heard that before.

Maybe it's coming up again because it was never addressed the first bazillion times.

Original or not really doesn't change the dynamics of the situation.

Why does every single thing have to be a conspiracy? Maybe it is...but why do we have to jump to that conclusion? I mean, it almost seems that it would make headlines if everybody accepted everything a face value.

Otherwise we are going to have to assume everything is a conspiracy.

Well it is a message board, so I guess we have to have something to discuss.

I don't think there IS a conspiracy here. I think there is a very good POSSIBILITY that there is one. The timing of his "death" couldn't be more convenient and the circumstances, like how quickly he was cremated, leave the door open to second guess the official story.
Why do you have such a problem with people not believing that KL is dead? What's wrong with people getting together to discuss what happened and try to draw their own conclusions?


[edit on 25-10-2006 by mecheng]

Originally posted by c3hamby
Why does every single thing have to be a conspiracy? Maybe it is...but why do we have to jump to that conclusion? I mean, it almost seems that it would make headlines if everybody accepted everything a face value.

Do you even understand that you are posting to a message board that was created entirely to deal with conspiracies?

Look friend. Kenneth Lay was found guilty on six counts of conspiracy and fraud. What would have stopped him from committing one more conspiracy while he was still a free man?

Nowhere in the mainstream media or local press did I read, see, or hear anything concerning the belief that Ken Lay may have faked his death to avoid punishment. Its been kept online for the most part, like most conspiracies that the mainstream media just will not touch upon.

Your reasoning that Kenneth Lay's death could not possibly be a conspiracy despite the fact that he was just found guilty of committing a criminal conspiracy couldn't be more closed minded.

[edit on 25-10-2006 by Frith]

Yes dear, I do know that this is a conspiracy board. I'm just stating my opinion, just like everybody is. Freedom of speech, etc....

I'm cool with you if you want to talk about Ken Lay possibly being involved in a conspiracy.

But if you say that based on the scant information that you have, that because he was bad before, he's being bad now, and he's definitely part of a conspiracy to fake his death then that's as closed minded as you think I'm being.

My whole point is that people are way too quick to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon. Nothing more.

Ken Lay has the right to die of natural causes. If you take that away from him, then you're taking away more rights than you think the government is taking away from you, and you're probably disrespecting his wife and him too if you're wrong.