I don't think this is a faked death going on here, I prefer to think he was assassinated by gov or a special intrest group of somekind. The poster who posted the wagner story shows mr. wagnr was obviously assassinated as well for knowing to much. I can't find it now but somewhere in the masses of ATS is a thread on the connections between Ken Lay and the republican party, gov of cali arnold and few others. Maybe they told him hed get away with everything when in reality he was the fall boy and in the end killed him before he talked. Of course he also could have had a heart attack, it happens to old folks.

Let's not forget that Lay was a HUGE investor into the Bush campaign. This guy has been in oil since he was a teenager. He was CEO of fortune 500's number seven. Two things happened:

1). He was protected by President Bush. Bush couldn't publically pardon the guy becuase of huge backlash. Lay could spill more beans than most think about the Bush family. *remember Bush saying that he doesn't remember meeting Keneth Lay when enron fell, but was found on footage with him, calling him Kenny Boy nonetheless. Bush and oil constituents gave him a get out of jail free card... Or.

2). He was murdered by the oil constituents because he knows too much.

Of course this all my opinion...

If my friends told the press on Monday that I died on Wednesday, I'd be suspicious too.

:shrug:

Just keep in mind what this man was guilty of.... FRAUD. He's an expert and he's made tons of money out of it. He has a lot of resources at his disposal and a lot of powerful people have been allied and made rich by him. He won't go to a carribean Island. he will go where his money is and where he can hide without anyone asking questions and still be comfortable. I'd say Europe, probably switzerland just like that other embezzler, Marc Rich who is still living in Switzerland along with his business partner Pincus Green.

Pie

I know many world Gov angencies will be looking out for Lay. He owes a lot of money to a lot of people around the globe. However his close ties to the current powers that be makes me think a scam is definately a possibility. Id watch where and when his money has been moved/moving as well. A large amount or many smaller amounts being moved previously can be a big tell tale sign as well. I hope the old Fraud just kicked it myself and a indepth autopsy is required for proof IMO.

I live in Houston. I have been fed so much Ken Lay news............... I even met his wife but there is nothing notable to mention about it. Maybe when this thread dies, I'll try to revive it with that minor event.

Let me be very clear, that was a planned death. Maybe he stopped taking his heart medicine, nowing what would happen. Maybe he stated his intentions and his death was assisted.

An autopsy is in high order. That body needs to be torn apart. I dont believe for a nano-second that this is just a simple case of dumb luck at just the right time.

No way!

It sure does take North korea off the US media's radar. I wonder if NK even understands that. But I already mentioned that in one of the NK threads.

I hope Ken Lay took some money with him so he can pay the devil on his way to.......(stole that line from a Robin Hood movie)

That ole croak did a real job on Houston. They can bury him in pieces for all I care. Prisons should have graveyards for people like him. Wouldnt that be a hoot. They send his corpse to prison to serve out his term, what a novel idea.

Was that just an attempt highjack the tread and make it political? Regardless of when Lay did his thing he was wrong, hopefully dead wrong. I don,t blame Cheney,Bush, Clinton, BushI Reagan, Nixon Carter or God. Is Lay really dead? That's what matters.

Just because there ARE conspiracies doesn't mean EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.

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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Maybe nothing yet, but it's better to doubt the truth until it's proven than to believe a lie until it's disproven.

Amen to that!

You win the award for being the first to turn this thread into a political BS fest.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that Lay had been appointed by GWB to some energy policy group prior to him becoming President. He was also, I think, part of the energy policy group tied into the office of Dick Cheney....

REPLY: Why, that's terrible!!! Yeah... at an energy policy group meeting I want to see the CEO of Taco Bell; or Toys R Us. Maybe the owner of the local flower shop.

".... who steadfastly refuses to make known any details or documents.

REPLY: Much of this has long ago been made public by court order; Catch up!!!

I dug up a wee bit on BBC News and it said he was pronounced dead at 0300 after being rushed from his vaction home in Aspen Springs colorado. Okay so The Dr. Pronounced him dead at the hospital, Who else saw his body(need more research) And Aspen Springs has a population of 5,914 durning the 2000 censensus.....How hard would it be to pay off that small an amount of people. Thats what i have so far still digging..........

Nah, he probably keeled over when he found out that he was going to be in a cell with a guy named Bubba.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation


1). He was protected by President Bush. Bush couldn't publically pardon the guy becuase of huge backlash.

Clinton pardoned the biggest tax cheat in US history. You think they care about the backlash? Theres a reason they do it at the end of their term.

If Ken Lay had half the power people here think he did he would never have been convicted in the first place and there would have been a scape goat that took his place.

quote posted by AnAbsoluteCreation

Let's not forget that Lay was a HUGE investor into the Bush campaign. This guy has been in oil since he was a teenager.

REPLY: And your thoughts on George Soros, international criminal, backing/funding the opposition/workers world party/moveon, etc?

For what it's worth, since he was convicted, the Gov't. has frozen his assets to recoup the fines, as they would anyone else.

I would say yes, if it were not for his health. I am sure the stress he was under has taken a toll on his health. But great post.