Originally posted by Jeremiah25
For example, your first option assumes that Arab people will want to move out of the West Bank and Gaza and take up residence in neighbouring
Similarly, your second point assumes that those who stay will want to become citizens of Israel and also that the Israeli Government will allow this.
“Why should I compromise?” a group will ask itself, “when God is on my side? I must be right, because my religious views are the correct ones
and God thusly favours me above all others”.
If September 11th taught us anything, it is that it only takes a few individuals acting in the name of extremism to render compromise and negotiation
I find it somewhat ironic that this thread is devoted to exploring ways in which sides in the Middle East conflict can work together to compromise and
negotiate when we on this forum cannot seem to do so, bantering angry words at each other.
Your points are well taken and I do understand what you are noting.
From my prespective, Negotiation has run it's course. It's time for a Solution.
And I would tend to believe it would be a FORCED Solution, with more than a few very unhappy people.
But I ask any of you.
If we have have any concern for this problem, is it not better to ensure the Next Generation of Arabs born, "Know/Have" a viable future? One where
they can "Decide" for themselves, what they will do.
Work hard and contribute to Society while building a life for them and their Families?
Wallow in Misery.
Those who wish to Move towards a Constructive Future, would most definately be welcomed in Israel, The U.S. and Canada, should also step up in
welcoming those, as should the Arabs States themselves. It is obvious, they may not be pleased to leave Israel/Palestine, (in the Historic Sense), but
it is a better life, that hangs in the Balance
Those who wish to wallow, Well, they will never be happy, so we move them Carte Blanc. Here's four or five buses with four or five destinations. Get
on, whichever one your wish to get on, or we'll pack you up and send you on one of our choosing. Your leaving anyways.
The Hills of Afghanistan and Pakistan are always looking for good men.
Iran is welcoming parties as well.
Syria would be hospitable. They share similiar Views.
I think the Babylon Express, would be canceled now, all things considered.
These, there is no hope for. Nothing will satisfy them, unless of course, Israel is pushed into the MED. This is not likely to happen, and I honestly
believe, any attempts by Any State in the Mid East, would be folly. I think the Mid East States also understand this now. They where Chastized in 67.
The Next time may tend to reflect Vengence.
As for "Who's Side" is God on.
I personally believe he would be for all sides. He is the Same, (God, Jehovah, Allah).
You see, I do not find Israel decrees God is on their side. They have serious concerns, but the majority of the actions taken are Causal. Take the
current matter in Gaza for example. This has been the History. And nothing will change this.
As for Average hard Working Joe Arab, living in his pen in the West Bank, I think he only wishes to put Food on the Table and ensure Health Care is
avialable for him and his loved ones. A House, a Job, and a Life would be his concerns
It's the Radical, that seems to have God's Approval, (according to the radicals), and unfortunately, these Radicals are Terrorists. And with Sales
men telling them about 70 Virgins, then that makes it all the easier. Throw in a $25000.00 USD Cash Bonus for the remaining family memebers and you
have that Killing Machine. Screaming, "Praise be to Allah" and then ripping or triggering the Device.
I was in Israel in the 89, and even then, after the discussion of Blame and Fault had been expressed, the basic survival switch was turned on. They
(the Arab's I spoke with) mostly want nothing more than an simple life. Palestine as a Homeland is a Dream, but this comes from the Pressurized
Environment they live in. The Leaders Spew this as the only accepted view, and not being compliant with that view, is deemed traitorous, and death
just comes sooner.
I was detained three times in Israel, in two weeks. Held for an Hour or two, and Questioned, but set free. This was in the West Bank. (Bethleham,
Tiberius, and near Masada/Dead Sea.)
I was being accused of inticing riots, causing unrest amoungst the Arabs. In Tiberius it was the IDF that questioned me. I was sitting with about 8 or
10 Young Arabs at about 11-12PM drinking (I was) at the Bar. Certainly at times, the Conversation would tend to be quite vocal, since I will speak my
mind. Some did not appreciate it, but the Majority came around to talking. But while in IDF hands, I was advised three of those at my Table where
infact Terrorists. Known and Under Surveilance for attacks at Settlements.
But the Majority of those I spoke with, were not, nor are they happy. They have nothing. They only wish to be able to do something. 15 Years later,
nothing has changed one bit for them. That is what I would wish to see occur.
And as for the banter here, this is no concern to me. Stick and Stones.
I do bite back, if provoked, but I have not seen anything from anyone that warrents concern.
It is a Volitile Topic. That should be understood. It Enflames Passions. This should be expected. It's a Detestable Situation. This is no
It has been created for exactly these reason, and this is why I am personally sick and tired of the matter.
And for Don.
I mean you no distress, nor Ill will. Please relax. Yes I wrote that. Yes I believe that. No it wasn't specific to you. It's the Topic, and I trust
it will always remain the Topic. So remember, this during your future reviews.
Your have expressed Valid arguements, although I do think these have been tried over and over again, but your position is as valids as anyone elses.
Maybe somewhere in the Midst of all of this, Views of Action can be constructed from many sources.
But I have no delusions about everyone, being happy. If 51% become happy, as a result of Anything done here or elsewhere, that is better than it has
been for 50 plus years.