Originally posted by Astyanax
It's 'her' child only in the sense that she bore it. It doesn't belong to her. It 'belongs' to itself, though society and the species both have
stronger claims over it than a mere parent. Parents are custodians of their children on behalf of society and the species. They have no rights of
their own over their children -- at least, none that are morally defensible.
While in a far off stand point I kinda sorta almost somewhat agree, the majority of my being still disagrees.
If an apple tree produces an apple, does that apple not belong to the tree?
Or, does that tree, along with the apple, belong to all of existence -- which is far beyond any specific species or society?
And if any animal stopped to debate the moral logistics of eating another, be it vittles or its deformed young, the species would be very short lived.
Which seriously makes me wonder about humanity..
I refuse to think that society knows what's best, considering how messed up the American society is.
On a daily basis, I have to deal with parents who have adopted the 'I don't hit my children for any reason' philosophy.. which is all well and good
in theory, but is rotten at the very core in practice. Because society deems any smack as a form of abuse, now *any* form of discipline is considered
So while the intentions are well and true, undoubtedly towards some moral 'good' end, society is producing a generation of children with absolutely
no sense of how to act in public, nor any respect for the authority of their parents!
Meanwhile, if I step in and point out their fallacy, no matter my reasons, I am wrong for stepping in! How dare I think that I know better then the
parents do! (I've had it happen.)
So, society tells me to stay the heck out of the parents' affairs.. even if the lack of discipline impedes my life.
But somehow society still knows better?
Granted, that was a little off topic, but the point is that no, society does not own the child.
I did not 'belong' to myself until at least the age of 23.. simply because I did not possess any level of maturity to make my own sound decisions.
Until that age, I belonged to my parents. Admittedly, I have no sense of 'belonging' to society when, for the most part, society tried to instill
values and morals through advertisements for products.. taught me that any individual's virtue is known by merely looking at them.. at their clothes
and the brand names they sport.
I do not doubt that society played a role in my development. However, it was my parents who kept my moral ruler straight.
How come society suddenly knows better than a mother? .....
That's how. And there's nothing sudden about it.
Your reasons are not sound, in my book. And really, it feels totally sudden considering the length that our species has been around, verses the short
span of this so-called 'civilization'....
Now-a-days we fight for the lives of retards, half-wits, and other genetically unacceptables.. we try desparately to save them, to work them into
society.. and are surprised when it fails...
(And the truth of the matter is that our Civilized American Society doesn't really give a hoot about anyone unless they're rich.. Money talks.. not
Reason and Virtue. Not even Justice. Thank society for that lesson...)
Society was human-made.. thus, it is obviously it's flawed -- we cannot know everything! So how can you argue that society is morally infallible?
..is the earth still flat?
If society thinks that it can raise children better.. then it may as well get off its friggin' duff, take them all from birth, and do it. Either
y'all take 'em and raise 'em, figure out how to take the parents out of the equation by decanting or something...
Or get out of the way.
This outside authority figure stuff is annoying. And frankly, it's morally insulting.
When is our society gonna leave the nest already?
[edit on 12-7-2006 by Diseria]