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After Carlsen's court appearance this morning her friend, Megan Tormey, said she was angry that it took four days to get Carlsen a working breast pump in jail. "If the doctors were so concerned about Riley's health, why weren't they demanding his milk?" she said.
The baby's father says Carlsen believes in a natural form of care. She now has a group with similar belief's behind her, although one member of the group has reportedly been under investigation by the Department of Health.
While they say they have good intentions, according to published reports, Debra O'Connor is described as a midwife who take natural childbirth to the extreme. She has been under investigation for her connection to the deaths of three babies
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Agreed, with the state of the Pharma industry, and over prescribing of medicine for profit, I expect it to be a big part of the NWO. With one man's ability to say "I know what's best, you have to come with us. "
That's why when I broke my leg I walked around for 6 weeks with a splint fashioned from a broken broomstick and duct tape. Them docters cain't be trusted!
Originally posted by Byrd
She belongs to a group that believes in some form of natural care. I did a bit more research and found this:
So the group offering this advice has already tried its own methods, which resulted in the deaths of three infants in the group within the past few years.
It's a small group. 3 infant deaths in 100,000 births would be tragic but expected. 3 deaths in 20 births means something is terribly wrong and that they apparently don't recognize life-threatening situations when they see them.
Now... humor me for a moment -- let's look at naturopathic treatments for something we all know about and that can sometimes require medical intervention: kidney stones
The issue of when the state should step in is a dicey one at best. There's no doubt they prevented many deaths, but they get hammered when they step in (stealing children from their parents!) and hammered when they don't step in (why didn't you keep this baby away from that psychotic mother!
Originally posted by bsl4doc
Imbalanced: That's exactly my point. Why is what this mother did any different than speeding with your child on your lap? Both recklessly endanger the child.
Skadi: I don't think you understand public health. The patient DOES NOT RECEIVE A BILL. The USA is the ONLY western nation without socialized medicine. You are stuck in an old mindset of the haves and have nots. Also, what sort of position are you in that you have "seen" doctors prescribe placebos? Do you work for the "evil" modern medicine people? Because otherwise, you would have no way of knowing if it was a sucrose pill or not, so I think you're ful,l of it. Let's see...who would know more about this...someone who actually can write prescriptions and works in a public hospital...or someone biased against all of us with MD after our name...hrmmm....
Originally posted by muzzleflash
So what if the child dies due to the mothers miscalculations
Its called Natural Selection, Get used to it, thats how things work on earth.
Originally posted by golemina
Some might say the 'group' that is treating her child now (Read MDs ) are responsible for a whole lot more than just three deaths.
What ARE the 'pecentages' now for surviving cancer and 'chemo'?
Is it just me... Byrd, you almost sound somewhat anti-nursing...
I guess than you're not a big fan of the Lindsay Wagner then?
Originally posted by NJE777
As for CPS...they state they knew from birth that the child had kidney problems...then why would it be a question of child abuse?
My money is on holistic approach. But that is based on individual experience.
I agree... over here the law/medical world upholds religous beliefs in AU...(bear with me) so that if your religion doesnt support blood trans..then quite simply..you dont have to have it!
I do believe the Parents have the right to choose what they think is best for their own kids.....
Originally posted by dgtempe
"Now... review your mental checklist of what a baby who's been physically beaten by his parents might look like. Yep... blood in the diaper, brusing. CPS may have been sent out because someone thought the parents were beating the child.
Sorry, there is absolutely no mention as to this in any of the articles. This is pure speculation on your part.
Lets deal with the facts.
Originally posted by Byrd
To some extent, yes, but there's others where I disagree. There's a recent news story of foster parents being jailed because they chose to control their foster kids by putting them in cages.
It's an issue that can go around and around, here (and does, often with great nastiness.)
I don't see parents as all-wise beings, nor doctors as omniscient healers (no matter how much they might occasionally try to pass themselves off as such.) However, when several doctors indicate the same medical treatment and indicate that a baby may die without it, I tend to go with that recommendation.
Who would know more about this? Someone who lives in the U.S. where placebos still are prescribed on occasion. hmmmmmmmmmm?
Originally posted by cybertroy
Alternatives should be sought after in all cases except where it is better for the individual if they have some type of surgery or something of this nature, or his survival depends on it.
Another thing to bring up, this story that started this whole conversation doesn't sound that dissimilar to what is happening with kids in school these days. You can be viewed as neglectful if you refuse to put your child on Ritalin or the like.
Originally posted by Astyanax
Shouldn't such alternatives have been at least as rigorously tested as the 'conventional' treatments they are supposed to be alternatives to? Otherwise, you'd just be using yourself (or worse still, your baby) as a guinea-pig for alternative 'medicine'.