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Originally posted by curiousity
It is the closed minded that say Allah is the same as the Christian God. Check out the character of the god of the Muslims, and the results of their worship of it, and then compare it with the God of the Bible.
Wanting to make all religions the same is a hallmark of the New Age, but it basically boils down to a buffet of religion: pick and choose what you like from the samples, and if you don't like what you picked, leave it on the plate and go back for another selection. Like any greedy buffet artist, load up your plate with all you could possibly eat, and leave most of it, since it will not suit your tastes once you get to it.
Abraham is regarded as the founding patriarch of the Israelites whom God chose to bless out of all the families of the earth. He is a critical figure in both Judaism and Christianity, and is a very important prophet in Islam. Accounts of his life are given in the Book of Genesis and also in the Qur'an.
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are sometimes referred to as the "Abrahamic religions", because of the role Abraham plays in their holy books and beliefs. In the Hebrew Bible and the Qur'an, Abraham is described as a patriarch blessed by God (the Jewish people called him "Father Abraham"), and promised great things. Jews and Christians consider him father of the people of Israel through his son Isaac; Muslims regard him as the father of the Arabs through his son Ishmael. In Christian belief, Abraham is a model of faith, and his intention to obey God by offering up Isaac is seen as a foreshadowing of God's offering of his son, Jesus. In Islam, Abraham obeyed God by offering up Ishmael and is considered to be one of the most important prophets sent by God.
30. Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."
31. And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the names of these if ye are right."
32. They said: "Glory to Thee, of knowledge We have none, save what Thou Hast taught us: In truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom."
33. He said: "O Adam! Tell them their natures." When he had told them, Allah said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?"
34. And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: he was of those who reject Faith.
35. And We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
36. Then did Satan make them slip from the (Garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. And We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling place and your means of livelihood - for a time."
37. Then learnt Adam from his Lord certain words, and (Allah) accepted his repentance; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
49. And remember, We delivered you from the people of Pharaoh: They set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons and let your women-folk live; therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.
50. And remember We divided the sea for you and saved you and drowned Pharaoh's people within your very sight.
51. And remember We appointed forty nights for Moses, and in his absence ye took the calf (for worship), and ye did grievous wrong.
52. Even then We did forgive you; there was a chance for you to be grateful.
53. And remember We gave Moses the Scripture and the Criterion (Between right and wrong): There was a chance for you to be guided aright.
54. And remember Moses said to his people: "O my people! Ye have indeed wronged yourselves by your worship of the calf: So turn (in repentance) to your Maker, and slay yourselves (the wrong-doers); that will be better for you in the sight of your Maker." Then He turned towards you (in forgiveness): For He is Oft- Returning, Most Merciful.
55. And remember ye said: "O Moses! We shall never believe in thee until we see Allah manifestly," Thereupon ye were dazed with thunderbolt even as ye looked on.
56. Then We raised you up after your death; ye had the chance to be grateful.
57. And We gave you the shade of clouds and sent down to you Manna and quails, saying: "Eat of the good things We have provided for you:" (But they rebelled); to Us they did no harm, but they harmed their own souls.
136. Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we submit to Allah (in Isl�m)."
137. So if they believe as ye believe, they are indeed on the right path; but if they turn back, it is they who are in schism; but Allah will suffice thee as against them, and He is the All- Hearing, the All-Knowing.
138. (Our religion) takes its hue from Allah. And who can give a better hue than Allah. And it is He Whom we worship.
139. Say: Will ye dispute with us about Allah, seeing that He is our Lord and your Lord; that we are responsible for our doings and ye for yours; and that we are sincere (in our faith) in Him?
Originally posted by ixiy
If this reality is just a test or a stepping stone to go to heaven, then it does not matter what we do to this planet, we can pollute it, pillage it and turn it into a waste land, as long as we believe in god and threat our fellow humans well. [/qoute]
Arrggg How can you believe in God and treat your fellow humans well by polluting and pillaging and turning it into a wasteland?
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
IMHO, Hell and heaven are mearly a mental state.
Much like dreams, and nightmares.
IF your a good person, you do good deeds, you have happy days..
your go home, and when your falling asleep your thinking happy thoughts. Your thinking about good things, because ultimately you have no guilt and no worries, thus you dream.
If your a mean person, you hurt people, your rob, you steal, cheat rah rah rah you have guilt, the human mind think about this. So when your falling asleep your not thinking about that perso you helped pick up there shopping when they tripped, or gave a homeless person a buck... your thinking about how you laughed at that perosn, and how you abused the bum asking for a dollar.
Thus you have nightmares.
I believe heaven and hell are the same thing.
if you live a happy life, you help people, when you die, and your life flashes before your eyes, your happy, your in peace and ultimately when you go into your eternal sleep you DREAM.
If you lived a mean life, hurt people rah rah rah, when your life flashes before your eyes all you see are the people you hurt, the pain you caused and the mean side.. thus your eternal sleep is a guilt filled painful expereince.
Im not religous in any sense. I beleive religion is what is wrong with this planet.
Why cant we all just be HUMANS? and co-exist?
But the term heaven and hell are widely used to describe the afterlife so for the use in this explanation i shall use them for they are well known terms.
Originally posted by StreetCorner Philosopher
Im amazed sometimes really....how people still think hell is a place all the bad boys and girls go when they die !!! geeeez..
originally posted by Mizar..... It is relgious history. ALl three relgions have their start with Abraham and his God. We christians say it all the time "the God of Abraham" the Jews say it all the time and its all over the Quran.
originally posted by curiousityIt is the closed minded that say Allah is the same as the Christian God. Check out the character of the god of the Muslims, and the results of their worship of it, and then compare it with the God of the Bible.
Originally posted by curiousity
The Quran could say anything, it is not the Bible, therefore it is not the sacred God-inspired Scriptures but a copy-cat version from Ishmaelites who mocked Issac and even today hate their brother Jews. It is the result of the worship of "Allah" to which I'm pointing.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
heaven and hell were created by men to control, through hope and fear, other men.
its no different than a parent using ice cream and spankings to control a child
Originally posted by StreetCorner Philosopher
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
heaven and hell were created by men to control, through hope and fear, other men.
its no different than a parent using ice cream and spankings to control a child
Yes, but its only the ones who allow themselves to be controlled. The fabrication of the labels heaven and hell scare only the readers who do not see past of the literal explanation of the two.