The allseeing eye is the Gods's eye, which is connected with the mind of every human been. I think it's a metaphor for some psionic devise may be.

Yeah it represents the architect of the unviverse, the all seeing eye. The eye that is supposed to come down and give everyone there rewards, how this will play out few know.

It represents the influence from above that assist those who are tied to it. I see it as a demon eye or alien eye overseeing all earth, not at all a GOD EYE. Well thats my try.

Freemasons worship the eye which is based on the eye of Horus, specifically his right eye - also called the eye of Ra. The Right Eye of Horus represents concrete factual information controlled by the left brain. It deals with words, letters, and numbers and those things which are describable in terms of sentences or complete thoughts. It approaches the universe in terms of male oriented ideation.

The worship of Lucifer also represents this male-energy dominance, and hence egotism of the order. The following Biblical passage from Isaiah 14:12-15 is a paraphrase of a Canaanite scripture of the 7th century BC It was originally a dirge, a funeral hymn, to Shaher, or Venus, as it changes its phase from morning star to evening star:

“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!... For thou has said in thine heart, I will ascend to heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down ....”

Venus rising before the Sun is the “Son of Morning,” the bright herald of dawn, the Angel of the Morning, or the Angel of the Lord (the Sun). Lucifer, meaning light-bringer, is the Latin name for the morning star phase of Venus. It is also called Phosphor, and as the evening star, Hesper. In its evening star phase it follows the “Lord,” to his nightly grave beyond the Western Sea, the horizon, and is lamented as the Fallen Angel.

Imagine the planet Venus at its greatest distance from the Sun (48 degrees), at its highest declination (26 or more degrees north), rising before dawn, near the summer solstice. It would look as though Venus was heading toward the pole star (‘the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north’), elevating itself far above its Lord. Hence, it became a metaphor for great pride or hubris (the only sin a human could commit in the eyes of the Greek gods in later times). Pride, ego as the sense of having a separate existence apart from the Source and equal if not superior to it, is, according to Christian mythology, the thing that got Lucifer in trouble with God and caused the “war in heaven.” Lucifer became associated with the idea of Satan (Saturn), the force of darkness, ignorance, Maya (illusion/delusion), which turns us away from the true light of spirit and toward identification with the material plane. Satan (Saturn) is exalted in Lucifer’s (Venus’) sign, Libra. And the Biblical Satan was originally “the adversary,” the defense attorney, as it were, pleading the case for earthly life and the value of the five senses, in opposition to the divine call to return to soulfulness.

They seek to control everything and rule over everything through asserting dominance over the subconscious (soul). To that end they use many forms of what used to be called "magic" but we now call psychology for the most part.

The all seeing eye is a graphical representation for the surveillance equipment placed atop the great pyramids so the "god aliens" could watch over and maintain control over the enslaved human population.

I suppose that answer is as good as any.

Originally posted by wanderingwaldo
Freemasons worship the eye which is based on the eye of Horus, specifically his right eye - also called the eye of Ra.

Except, of course, that Freemasons worship no such thing!

The worship of Lucifer also represents this male-energy dominance, and hence egotism of the order. The following Biblical passage from Isaiah 14:12-15 is a paraphrase of a Canaanite scripture of the 7th century BC It was originally a dirge, a funeral hymn, to Shaher, or Venus, as it changes its phase from morning star to evening star:

“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!... For thou has said in thine heart, I will ascend to heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down ....”

Venus rising before the Sun is the “Son of Morning,” the bright herald of dawn, the Angel of the Morning, or the Angel of the Lord (the Sun). Lucifer, meaning light-bringer, is the Latin name for the morning star phase of Venus. It is also called Phosphor, and as the evening star, Hesper. In its evening star phase it follows the “Lord,” to his nightly grave beyond the Western Sea, the horizon, and is lamented as the Fallen Angel.

Except that Isaiah 14 isn't about a fallen angel... It's about the king of Babylon.

Freemasonry and Illuminism are religions designed by elitists for elitists.

Except that neither are religions.

Jesus is the rising Son and the morning star.

Didn't you just get finished explaining how Lucifer was the morning star?

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by wanderingwaldo
Freemasons worship the eye which is based on the eye of Horus, specifically his right eye - also called the eye of Ra.

Except, of course, that Freemasons worship no such thing!

That is the symbolism used though. It is meant to be they eye of the Great Architecht of the Universe, and the Freemason's Architecht is right-eyed.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by wanderingwaldoThe worship of Lucifer also represents this male-energy dominance, and hence egotism of the order. The following Biblical passage from Isaiah 14:12-15 is a paraphrase of a Canaanite scripture of the 7th century BC It was originally a dirge, a funeral hymn, to Shaher, or Venus, as it changes its phase from morning star to evening star:

“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!... For thou has said in thine heart, I will ascend to heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down ....”

Venus rising before the Sun is the “Son of Morning,” the bright herald of dawn, the Angel of the Morning, or the Angel of the Lord (the Sun). Lucifer, meaning light-bringer, is the Latin name for the morning star phase of Venus. It is also called Phosphor, and as the evening star, Hesper. In its evening star phase it follows the “Lord,” to his nightly grave beyond the Western Sea, the horizon, and is lamented as the Fallen Angel.

Except that Isaiah 14 isn't about a fallen angel... It's about the king of Babylon.

“King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold, whose height was sixty cubits and its breadth six cubits. He set it up on the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon. Then King Nebuchadnezzar sent to gather the satraps, the prefects, and the governors, the counselors, the treasurers, the justices, the magistrates, and all the officials of the provinces to come to the dedication of the image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up. Then the satraps, the prefects, and the governors, the counselors, the treasurers, the justices, the magistrates, and all the officials of the provinces gathered for the dedication of the image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up. And they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up. And the herald proclaimed aloud, "You are commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, that when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be cast into a burning fiery furnace." Therefore, as soon as all the peoples heard the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, all the peoples, nations, and languages fell down and worshiped the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.” (Daniel 3:1-7)

It still sounds like stroking your ego pretty hard to me. The connotations are the same.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by wanderingwaldoFreemasonry and Illuminism are religions designed by elitists for elitists.

Except that neither are religions.

Uh huh, pull the other one it has bells on. Exactly how many Athiest Freemasons are there?

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by wanderingwaldoJesus is the rising Son and the morning star.

Didn't you just get finished explaining how Lucifer was the morning star?

You are correct they all have the same symbolism don't they.

Uh huh, pull the other one it has bells on. Exactly how many Athiest Freemasons are there?

None.

Why? Because otherwise no obligation would be considered binding upon the initiate that has joined. Listen...personally i am a critic of religion and believe that no man should be dogmatic and be told how to talk to their inner God. The spiritual path is an internal journey not some external source being pushed down your throat to believe and in the meantime be intolerant towards others.

That being said i am a Freemason. I am not Religious at all, but i still believe in a Supreme Being. You forget that Voltaire and Ben Franklin were Masons who were deists and not followers of the Mother Church at all.

This being said. Freemasonry is not religious at all in which we do not worship anything. The G.A.O.T.U. is just a substitution of your own Religious, Spiritual, Etc... Supreme Being, God, whatever you want to call it. A Rose is a Rose by any other name. Freemasonry is not dogmatic and does not force you to believe a certain set of dogmatic laws and beliefs. We do not look to convert or bring in new members as we do not solicit members. Also lastly, we do not sell or guarantee salvation or any chance of going to heaven.

The morals of the Mason are restricted to the order itself as evidenced by oath:
"I, _________, of my own free will and accord, in the presence of Almighty God, and this Worshipful Lodge, erected to Him and dedicated to the holy St. John, do hereby and hereon most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, that I will hail, ever conceal, and never reveal any of the secrets, arts, parts, point or points, of the Master Mason's Degree, to any person or persons whomsoever, except that it be a true and lawful brother of this Degree, or in a regularly constituted Lodge of Master Masons, nor unto him, or them, until by strict trial, due examination, or lawful information, I shall have found him, or them, as lawfully entitled to the same as I am myself. I furthermore promise and swear, that I will stand to and abide by all laws, rules, and regulations of the Master Masons Degree, and of the Lodge of which I may hereafter become a member, as far as the same shall come to my knowledge; and that I will ever maintain and support the Constitution, laws, and edicts of the Grand Lodge under which the same shall be holden. Further, that I will acknowledge and obey all due signs and summons sent to me from a Master Masons' Lodge, or given me by a brother of that Degree, if within the length of my cable tow. Further, that I will always aid and assist all poor, distressed, worthy Master Masons, their widows and orphans, knowing them to be such, as far as their necessities may require, and my ability permit, without material injury to myself and family. Further, that I will keep a worthy brother Master Mason's secrets inviolable, when communicated to and received by me as such, murder and treason excepted."

It should be noted that there are branches of the Masonic Rite where murder and treason are not excluded as inviolable secrets. In summation, bushidomason what the hell makes you think I would take you or any other Mason at your word on anything given that you have taken such an oath?

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Ahh Waldo, graduate of the Morgan/Michael Moore school of first decide what you wish to lie about, then pad it with just enough unrelated truth to make it plausable to the ignorant. The best lies are 80% true. Like Edison invented our electrical system etc....Cough....Tesla..

I give you credit for at least taking a bit more pride in your slander, then most here. Many just spout crazy stuff, you're far more calculating with your deceit. Still it's clear you have an agenda, and are bending facts as you like to meet it.

BTW fella....they NEVER found Morgan, they did find a body in the river and much like the recent movie the "changling" they tried to force his wife to acknowledge it was his body, which she refused to do even under great pressure to do so, as she firmly said it was NOT her husband. Morgan certainly did write some things Masons were not happy about, but while there may be some truth, esp in higher degrees he changed many KEY VERY key oaths and twisted them completely. He was a conman, and personally I think he died of old age.

I seriously doubt you'll take me at my word on that, so I guess I better put you on the list to forward to our Illuminati/Lizardman masters.

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Does it bother you in the slightest that the Pentagram has only been used in reference to satanism or anything evil even upside down starting in the 20th century? Where as it has been used for millinia even by The Christian Church as a good symbol before that?

Futhermore do you even know it's mathmatical significance and how that relates to Judeo Christian theology?......it represents that common ratio found in most living creatures....that common mathmatical signature that theologians have used since teh days of Solomon as proof of a creator, and divine intelligence.

If you were to take the pentagram upside down and show it to Christians for the last 2000 years minus the last century or so and say it was proof of something diabolic they'd think you were crazy.

Well read ones still will.

Perhaps when you are done with this you can now go to Buddhist shrines through out Asia and teach them How the Dali Lama is really the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler because they have swastikas on all of their hundreds of years old temples and relics. The Navaho will also be interested into your insight into their symbolic culture as well.



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