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posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 04:58 PM
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@watch_the_rocks Some people would now say "thats what they want you to think like"

Ask yourself why is this happening ? Do they need to know so much ? Is it their business ?




posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 05:04 PM
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Well perhaps it is. If they are doing it for the common good, to track down people performing illegal activities, then it can't be that bad. On the other hand, if they are doing it for their own gain, in any sort of way, then a stop should be put to them collecting our data.



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 06:22 PM
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Good job Souljah, for the interesting topic!

Ive heard of this before, however im not too sure how to read it


this is what I got:

Tracing route to nsa.gov [12.110.110.204]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 07:42 PM
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Ok, dumb question.

How do I get into dos from windows xp?

Ever since i stopped using win 98, i have never bothered with DOS since, so i honestly dont know how to get into it.



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 08:02 PM
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These are my results. Hop #8.

Tracing route to nsa.gov [12.110.110.204]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 12 ms 10 ms 4 ms 10.69.0.1
2 7 ms 11 ms 8 ms srp4-0.chrlncsa-rtr4.carolina.rr.com [24.93.66.1
47]
3 6 ms 8 ms 7 ms pos2-0.chrlncsa-rtr1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.66.
238]
4 13 ms 15 ms 14 ms son1-0-3.rlghncrdc-rtr3.nc.rr.com [24.93.64.85]

5 23 ms 25 ms 29 ms 67.29.172.5
6 31 ms 29 ms 31 ms ae-23-54.car3.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.121.1
12]
7 28 ms 27 ms 29 ms att-level3-oc192.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244
.219.142]
8 26 ms 22 ms 23 ms tbr1-p033601.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.123.8.114]
9 26 ms 28 ms 27 ms ar2-a3120s6.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.123.8.65]
10 27 ms 32 ms 29 ms 12.127.209.214
11 34 ms 37 ms 32 ms 12.110.110.131
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 08:13 PM
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I dunno. I think mine maybe worse then my mama's results. Here are mine.

Tracing route to nsa.gov [12.110.110.204]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 6 ms 5 ms * 10.69.0.1
2 11 ms 8 ms 7 ms srp4-0.chrlncsa-rtr3.carolina.rr.com [24.93.66.1
29]
3 * 9 ms 7 ms pos3-0.chrlncsa-rtr2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.66.
229]
4 16 ms 12 ms 13 ms son1-1-2.chrlncsa-rtr6.carolina.rr.com [24.93.64
.21]
5 13 ms 21 ms 14 ms so-4-1-0-0.gar1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.78.212.85
]
6 19 ms 14 ms 19 ms ae-1-55.bbr1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.68.103.129]

7 26 ms 28 ms 27 ms ae-0-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.128.210
]
8 183 ms 232 ms 216 ms ae-13-51.car3.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.121.1
6]
9 35 ms 31 ms 30 ms att-level3-oc192.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.12
7.154]
10 27 ms 27 ms 26 ms tbr1-p033601.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.123.8.114]
11 30 ms 29 ms 30 ms ar2-a3120s6.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.123.8.65]
12 36 ms 41 ms 36 ms 12.127.209.214
13 35 ms 31 ms 35 ms 12.110.110.131
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 08:17 PM
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CelticHeart,

I don't know if you live in or around Atlanta, but from your hops looks like things are going through there.

I live in Atlanta and my stuff appears to be clean. I move all around the Adelphia pipes, but seem to stay away from the AT&T stuff.

For all you Orlando people out there, I had two friends of mine at my old Alma Matter at UCF do this and it looks like all the Time Warner (Road Runner) and Brighthouse stuff goes right to the AT&T pipes.

From the looks of it, most RoadRunner stuff gets dumped to AT&T at one point or another, and some of the LEvel 3 stuff appears to be going there as well.

As someone else pointed out, AT&T did build a lot of the backbones many of these cable and DSL providers travel on, so the fact so many of us are popping up in there doesn't surprise me.

Sucks for you guys.

-O

[edit on 3-7-2006 by The Big O]



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 08:22 PM
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This is an incorrect way to check for NSA snooping. If NSA has at&t for their backbone ANY trace to them will show that. Because your package of data has to go through at&t to get to the nsa.com server. Try running a tracert to some off the wall domains to see if at&t shows up in all of them. If you are being monitored all your nslooks to every domain will reference at&t.



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 08:24 PM
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I am kind of on the fence on this issue, this is a huge question of safety vs freedom. On one hand I believe that certain strong government action is absolutely necessary to keep one step ahead of terrorists and other scum, both domestic and foreign, and if I am not doing anything illegal then I have nothing to worry about. Why should I care if someone sitting in a cellar somewhere in Virginia sees what I do on my computer - as long as he doesn't take my credit card numbers, right!

On the other hand, one of the greatest things in America is its freedoms, which we would miss if they were lost. Would we want to lose the protection from unreasonable search and seizure? Consider this: let's say I am FBI and I propose that since I live next door, I stop by once a month and check the house for illegal drugs, arms etc. If you are not running a meth lab in your bath room then you have nothing to worry about and if police DEA FBI etc divvy up every neighborhood, we can put a big dent in the drug business.

Now let's apply the same to non-physical search and seizure of things like computer records.

What do you think, where is the balance?

By the way, what were the strategies that the old Soviet Union used to keep the country 'safe'? Is there someone out there in ATS land who lived in the USSR in the 50's and 60's?



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Ok, dumb question.

How do I get into dos from windows xp?

Ever since i stopped using win 98, i have never bothered with DOS since, so i honestly dont know how to get into it.


If you haven't figured it out yet go Start>Run>cmd That should bring up the dos prompt.



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by The Big O
CelticHeart,

I don't know if you live in or around Atlanta, but from your hops looks like things are going through there.


I don't live near Atlanta. I don't even live in Georgia. I live in North Carolina.



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 08:59 PM
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It is not working for me and I truely would appreciate to know.
I use windows xp, have a nice lap top.
Plaese Help
WIS



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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ok, I'm techie sllooowww. Would someone show me how to do this, step by step, nice and easy?

My Thanks,

-ADHD



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by CelticHeart
I don't live near Atlanta. I don't even live in Georgia. I live in North Carolina.


Sorry, I should have looked at the first few things that popped up for you:


1 6 ms 5 ms * 10.69.0.1
2 11 ms 8 ms 7 ms srp4-0.chrlncsa-rtr3.carolina.rr.com [24.93.66.1
29]
3 * 9 ms 7 ms pos3-0.chrlncsa-rtr2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.66.
229]
4 16 ms 12 ms 13 ms son1-1-2.chrlncsa-rtr6.carolina.rr.com [24.93.64


Sure enough, there is "carolina" in your ping.

-O



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by NoNik
I don't know when this NSA snooping back room supposedly was invoked, but it might be of inerest that this IP in question, sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.13.186), shows in network logs (posted online) as far back as year 2000.

Was this surveilance happening then, or is this a bogus lead using an IP that has little use on the net?

NN


I'm not sure if it was happening then, but it sure was for several months before 9/11.

The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in New York federal court.


Spy agency sought call records before 9/11

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posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by CelticHeart
I don't live near Atlanta. I don't even live in Georgia. I live in North Carolina.


Yeah you will see Atlanta since most all traffic, in the South East, will switch in Atlanta, Georgia Tech.



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by watch_the_rocks
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm safe, I'm safe.





Ummm, you might want to look at the 5th line in the sequence.

Aren't those the ones that mean you're being watched?
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posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 11:37 PM
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One thing I noticed reviewing the article souljah, and that is the San Fran issue. I doubt that the NSA would only tap the Bay area switch. Why not all the major switches. The ATL switch carries alot of traffic. So does WASH, NY, CHI, BAL, DFW etc.
If (and it is a big if) seeing ATT is a sign you are being watched, not seeing sffca.ip.att.net might still mean a data log still was created. The author is from the Bay area and one would expect a connection there. Since I am from ATL I should, according to this article's premise, look for an ATT from my closest node.
For instance I get bounced around ATT 3 times before I hit ATS' hosting. I looks like ATS is hosted off site, via theplanet.com. If ATT is involed in snooping for the NSA any connection through their network is fair game.

BTW make sure when you post your trace attempts you are not putting your IP for all to see.



posted on Jul, 4 2006 @ 02:08 AM
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For those that are having problems tracing :

Klick Start : Run then type in cmd.exe

The DOS box opens up ,now type tracert nsa.gov and hit the enter button



posted on Jul, 4 2006 @ 04:28 AM
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more than worried considering this is about the fifth time i have used this computer on broadband
this is what i got don't exploit it
if it gives to much info away
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Blake>c:/
'c:/' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Documents and Settings\Blake>cd..

C:\Documents and Settings>cd..

C:\>tracert nsa.gov

Tracing route to nsa.gov [12.110.110.204]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

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