global jihad

And of course, we of all people knows who is taking control of UN Security Council ^^ What the use of resolution draft if it then 'veto'-ed? And when did UN ever had any intention to give resolution to Israel anyway? ^^

@unholy ent.

Oh, yes, yes....this is serious indeed....just when it happened means armageddon draws near, so dont worry too much about it ^^ Perhaps its already the time for this filthy world to be cleansed if the people didnt want to clean themself first

But yeah....all this plot, global (??"jihad"??) and terrorism, palestines....is all part of their 'grand scheme'....those bastards, may god's burn them in eternal flame.....

But one of literature I studied state that one of the sign of 'The End' (Armageddon, or whatever you guys call it ^^) is when the Land of Palestines liberated from Zion....interesting, isnt it?

There is only one "global jihad" that exists as of now, and it`s the War on Terror. A war fought by christian, western countries to rid the world of the "violent, murderous muslims". Morever, this is exactly the same kind of war that Hitler has fought agaisnt the Jews in Europe, but now the Muslims -mainly the Arabs- are the target.

And yes I do think this is leading us all to a WW 3.

There’s no question in my mind that the rise of a warlike Islam is one of the biggest challenges facing the West today.

Who is responsible for this (the Brits and the Russians back in the late 1800’s, the Crusades, the 1930’s and 1940’s Zionists, the fall of the soviet Union, or what-have you) is really irrelevant. Here are the facts as I see them

A large number of Muslims, primarily Arab, but also Afghani, Persian, Indonesian, and Indo-Pakistani, are driven by an apocalyptic vision of a new Caliphate, and fed on Wahabbist training, etc. They want to force their version of Islam and Shari’a on everyone else.

They have the anger to do so by an inferiority complex, as their culture has been static for the past thousand years and they have been replaced in fields of learning and standard of living by the primarily Christian Liberal West.. They have the will to do so by a martyr complex. They have the financial means to do so because of the influx of Western (and now Indian and Chinese) money to their coffers, since they are also the petroleum drug dealers to the world.

They have two tremendous advantages over us:

First, they understand the concept of asymmetrical warfare better than we do. They understand the one person willing to give his or her life in a suicide-murder bombing simply cannot be stopped. They can kill anyone they want to, including the heads of state of western countries, simply by careful planning an being willing to trade one or two of their lives for one or two or maybe a thousand of our lives.

Second, they have set the rules for engagement and disengagement. They realize that their brand of Islam cannot co-exist with western liberal government with its separation of Church and State, a free press, and the right of each person to chart his or her own course. They understand that it is not a fight to victory, it is a fight to extinction.

We haven't realized that yet.

Given those baselines, I am sure that we can defeat them, but unless and until we understand what it is we’re fighting; realize that we are fighting an asymmetrical war; and know the enemy’s true strengths and weaknesses…

…we will lose. It is as simple as that

To GSA:

I'm a Married White Male.

I prsonaly belive that a Womans place is "WHERE EVER THE HELL SHE WANTS TO BE!!!"

I'll be fighting right by your side at WWIII

Originally posted by Echtelion
There is only one "global jihad" that exists as of now, and it`s the War on Terror. A war fought by christian, western countries to rid the world of the "violent, murderous muslims". Morever, this is exactly the same kind of war that Hitler has fought agaisnt the Jews in Europe, but now the Muslims -mainly the Arabs- are the target.

And yes I do think this is leading us all to a WW 3.

As you walk along the streets in the US of A, you wonder why Bush did not killed millions of people in America that considered themselves Muslims. Bush ain't no Hitler. If Hitler was alive, he be laughing when somebody compares him to Bush.

".... they're trying to get holy land back..."

REPLY: Trouble is, it's not their holy land.

Iran is not planning to destroy the "infidel"

REPLY: Iran is doing it's part to do exactly that, and have been going at it for 1400 years. You reference one NYT article against 1400 years of history?

America went to Iraq and gave it weapons

REPLY: Sorry.... never happened.

Rape is an executionable offence in Islamic law. If a person belives they can rape another person then they are violating rules which are clearly stated in Islam and anything they do is there own behaviour becuase Islamic law has clearly stated rape is a crime no matter who it is done too.

"Take a look at the phillipines they have a 70+ year history of killing muslims and oppressing them and now muslims are fighting back...."

REPLY: This is a good example of what is in fact happening. Look at what you wrote. Muslims are not indigenous to the Phillipines, and have in fact been trying to take over that country, as they are in many countries. As such, the Phillipinos have every right to expel Muslims from their country.

I love how people always act as if muslims start everything without looking into history and see why they are so pissed off.

REPLY: History, itself, shows why many countries are at war with Muslims. In 85% of the places worldwide where blood is being shed, Muslims, or Muslim radicals, are the root cause, not the victims.

".... compromised thru 'democracy' or the pleasures/rewards of a capitalistic heirarchy...."

REPLY: True "Democracies" don't war with each other. Your sentence should read: Liberty and freedom", not pleasures/rewards.

"Terrorizing innocents is never existed in any of Islamic teaching...We are merciless to our enemy, or anyone who dare to trample ours or our brother....but not to innocents...."

REPLY: That is absolutely false, as the only "innocents" are those who believe in Mohammad; all others are infidels and are to be killed by whatever means.

"Mohammed posed as the apostle of God, the seal of the prophets; as the destroyer of idolatry; as preacher of one true God, and the reformer of morals: while his life is marked by innumerable marriages; and great licentiousness, deeds of rapine, warfare, conquests, unmerciful butcheries, all the time invoking God's holy name to sanction his evil deeds, ordering prayers and alms deeds and at the same time propagating Islam everywhere by fire and sword."

Islam does not teach peace, but war, and always has regarded non-Muslims as actual or potential enemies.

"The Legacy of Jihad" by Andrew Bostom. This book outlines Muslim history, and brings to light many things even Muslims do not know:

"to demonstrate that he is not taking Qur'an verses enjoining war out of context, he has had translated from the Arabic the works of some of the principal Qur'an commentators influential in the Islamic world - and shows that they also understand the verses as commanding warfare against unbelievers.

"This book provides accounts of jihad campaigns around the world, as well as analyses of jihad slavery by some of the most learned modern scholars of the holy war. Bostom has even taken care to find and reproduce color-coded maps, with an accompanying chronology, depicting the initial five centuries of jihad conquests, and further primary documents detailing the havoc wrought by Muslims in the name of jihad across three continents, over a period of over a thousand years, and the ultimate goal of jihad warfare: the subjugation of the entire world under the brutal hegemony of Islamic law"

Originally posted by zappafan1

REPLY: Iran is doing it's part to do exactly that, and have been going at it for 1400 years. You reference one NYT article against 1400 years of history?

wrong.

was america even alive 1400 years ago?

Can you name the non-muslims the "iranians" tried to kill in there infidel killing spree?

You are sevearly mistaken about history if you assume the Iranians where radical muslims who tried to kill infidel.

Can you give me a timeline showing me where they tried to kill infidel please make sure it refrences all 1400 years exactly like you have claimed they have been going at it. Thank you.

Originally posted by zappafan1
REPLY: This is a good example of what is in fact happening. Look at what you wrote. Muslims are not indigenous to the Phillipines, and have in fact been trying to take over that country, as they are in many countries. As such, the Phillipinos have every right to expel Muslims from their country.

The muslims are actually indignous to the country they are actually people of the nation who converted into islam and where not forign people but actual people who converted into the religon from the natives.

Islam is one of the oldest organized religions to be established in the Philippines. Its origins in the country may be dated back to as early as the 15th century, with the arrival of Arab and Malay muslim traders who converted some of the native inhabitants of the islands. Muslims in the country form 5 percent of the national population.

www.islamawareness.net...

so no. They do not have a right to expel muslims becuase they are natives who converted to islam.

Originally posted by zappafan1
REPLY: History, itself, shows why many countries are at war with Muslims. In 85% of the places worldwide where blood is being shed, Muslims, or Muslim radicals, are the root cause, not the victims.

Facts?

You are only showing your opinion without actual fact. Muslims are not the root cause of 85% of the worlds problems.

Originally posted by zappafan1
REPLY: That is absolutely false, as the only "innocents" are those who believe in Mohammad; all others are infidels and are to be killed by whatever means.

do you actual have a verse from the quran to prove this or is this another random comment without substance?

To Zeppafan1.

This post is a reply to the second half of your post where you have quoted stuff out of book or about them.


Quoting stuff out of book does not automatically make that information correct. That is a fact.

Just because something is written in a book does not automatically give that information credibility.

Fact is none of the books you have written have been peer reviewed by independent historians or people who specialize in Islamic history( even non-Muslim specialists in Islam) to authenticate there content and information.

Fact : Any person can write a book if 2 conditions are met : Condition 1) There is enough demand for it. History has shown repeatedly that false books have been popular because they seemed real for example Opera had a book about the life of a drug user a while back which turned out false also there have been false books about people who "survived" the holocaust which where exposed.

The second condition is 2) If the company can make enough money of the book in profits they will publish anything.


The point i'm trying to get at is that none of the books you quoted have ever been questioned or review by specialists in the field of Islamic history or even middle eastern history so anything inside those books is worthless and cannot be put forwards as fact until those books are questioned and peer-reviewed by specialists in the field of history.

You have voted Off_The_Street for the Way Above Top Secret award.

... for saying what needs to be said and understood in the West. This problem needs to be taken care of and not appeased. All need to understand that appeasement will be perceived as weakness, but will not save you from death and/or enslavement - if these people are allowed to win.

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
A large number of Muslims, primarily Arab, but also Afghani, Persian, Indonesian, and Indo-Pakistani, are driven by an apocalyptic vision of a new Caliphate, and fed on Wahabbist training, etc. They want to force their version of Islam and Shari’a on everyone else.

Thats not even remotly correct.

First of all persians are not driven by a vision of a new caliphate or even fed by "whabbist" ideology or trainning they are Shia which is a completly different group of muslims then whabbi/sulafi muslims.

Infact they don't even like each and don't even belive in each others idealogies or mission objectives.

Secondly they do not want to force anything on other people. It is the western nations such as American and Britain that are forcing there ways on people in the middle east.

Also i don't think you have a clue of what shari law even is. There are a multidude of different shari systems basically every sect has there own sharia law system and each ones have different sharia laws which often contradict other sharia laws from other groups.

Sharia is based on 3 concepts Quran + hadeeths + Fatwas and each group only follows hadeeths and fatwas of there own sects and do not recognise the hadeeths and fatwas of other groups hence you cannot say they want to force any law onto anybody becuase you cannot pinpoint who wants to impose what on the "west" infact these groups just want America to leave the middle east alone thats it nothing more.

If you don;t belive me take a look at bin ladins speaches, in every speach he clearly ask the west to remove there millitry bases from muslim countries and then they will get peace.

America has this retarded idea that if they make more millitry bases and have a bigger pressence in the middle east they will somehow win in the long run infact all they do is reinforce what bin ladin is saying which is America is invading the middle east.

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
They have the anger to do so by an inferiority complex, as their culture has been static for the past thousand years and they have been replaced in fields of learning and standard of living by the primarily Christian Liberal West.. They have the will to do so by a martyr complex. They have the financial means to do so because of the influx of Western (and now Indian and Chinese) money to their coffers, since they are also the petroleum drug dealers to the world.

Yes im sure muslims are angry becuase they are inferior to the "west".

This once again shows your lack of knowlage about this subject area .

Muslims are one of the most diverse group of people on earth hence they do not have a shared culture so to say muslims are static is beyound ignorance becuase there are white, black african / white africa, asian, arab muslims and between them they live in nearly every major country on earth and are native to europe,asia,africa,america,middle-east and between them have hundreds of different languages.

In some countries muslims are doing well in europe white native muslims might be doing great but in africa muslim might not be doing well at all. But then again this is also relative to your surroundings and that is what will determin your education not your supposed culture.

basically what im saying is muslims do not i repeat do not have a shared culture becuase islam is a religon not a culture. Between muslim gorups there are hundreds of different cultures so please do not say muslim culture is backwards or "static".

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
They have two tremendous advantages over us:

First, they understand the concept of asymmetrical warfare better than we do. They understand the one person willing to give his or her life in a suicide-murder bombing simply cannot be stopped. They can kill anyone they want to, including the heads of state of western countries, simply by careful planning an being willing to trade one or two of their lives for one or two or maybe a thousand of our lives.

That is more propaganda. The terrorists have no advantage over the west what so ever. If they had this tremendous advantages that you claim of why could they not stop a allied invasion of Afganistan. I will tell you why becuase they have nothing.
They are a inferior fighters with inferiour trainning who had a couple of good cheap shots at America and a few western countries and now are turned into boogie men by the western media.

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
Second, they have set the rules for engagement and disengagement. They realize that their brand of Islam cannot co-exist with western liberal government with its separation of Church and State, a free press, and the right of each person to chart his or her own course. They understand that it is not a fight to victory, it is a fight to extinction.

We haven't realized that yet.

I repeat they do not intent to take over America or any western nation all they want is America to leave them alone.

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
Given those baselines, I am sure that we can defeat them, but unless and until we understand what it is we’re fighting; realize that we are fighting an asymmetrical war; and know the enemy’s true strengths and weaknesses…

…we will lose. It is as simple as that

You guy are basically fighting people who are sick and tired of American pushing them around that what the west is facing.

Lets take a look at this logically :

America went to Vietnam = RPG's,AK-47, IED by Asian atheists and buddists.

America went to Somalia = RPG's,AK-47, Explosives by African warlords

Britain went to Northern Ireland = RPG's, Car Bombs, Pipe bombs, IED's, AK-47 by white Irish Christians

etc...


See the pattern here. People do not like foreign groups coming into there nations and dictating there lives and attacking there nations. They do not like people re-arranging the geo-politics of there region.

The Middle east is one of those places where the west has continuously manipulated and attacked for over 100 years why the hell would the Arabs/Muslims be any different to the people in northern Ireland,Vietnam or Somalia in there retaliations towards the western nations.

Originally posted by centurion1211
You have voted Off_The_Street for the Way Above Top Secret award.

... for saying what needs to be said and understood in the West. This problem needs to be taken care of and not appeased. All need to understand that appeasement will be perceived as weakness, but will not save you from death and/or enslavement - if these people are allowed to win.

Wow do you honestly belive people that live in caves and who wear a "uniform" consisting of tribal cloths, $1 sandals and a turban with no body and only armed with a vintage AK-47(AKM) and a vintage RPG-& with no light armour or tanks,airforce support can enslave you becuase they will somehow magically defeat the $500 billion dollar buget per year millitry force of the united
states and the $65 billion+ millitry forces of britain then you seriously need to stop watching FOX News.

If this is what you have come to belive then all i can say is

Originally posted by iqonx

Wow do you honestly belive people that live in caves and who wear a "uniform" consisting of tribal cloths, $1 sandals and a turban with no body and only armed with a vintage AK-47(AKM) and a vintage RPG-& with no light armour or tanks,airforce support can enslave you becuase they will somehow magically defeat the $500 billion dollar buget per year millitry force of the united
states and the $65 billion+ millitry forces of britain then you seriously need to stop watching FOX News.

Based on their belief...yeah its makes you say wow. They really want to do it. Even to commit martyrdom, no matter how high tech or low tech, they willing to go so far. If they can do it with asymmetric warfare with fewer resources and achieve the same political goals, then so be it.

Originally posted by GSA
Iqnox,
I do see what your trying to say, but until you get rid of the arabs who dominate and rule by fear and oppression I will have no respect for Islamic culture what so ever.

I have no wish for a desert dwelling iman whos telling the world that as a women I should cover up / be modest / not have a job ect ect ect. Oh and if non arabic islam is so nice, why did they have saturday morning shootings in the football stadiums in afghanistan? The regular killings in indonesia of catholic children? the massacres of women in southern Phillipines because the villagers are non-muslim? oh and lets not forget the ghetto in Durban south africa that looks now like inner somalia... why are the women covered head to toe? Oh thats right, choice isnt it? They choose that for allah....

well I like better if my wife covers up,not dress like a skank and be a whore even when shes married like in America

@bih
Ahahaha.....thats so very true And thats such clothes very purpose, afterall ^^

See, Islam first appeared in the land of Arab, on where we now known as Mecca...During that very period..Arabic, dominated by many tribes, is the worst and barbaric of human ever in history (kill their own daughter because they seen women or daughter is useless or to protect family wealth / business, worshipping 'those stupid statues', etc. ). Thats why religy come on the area, to show those stupid baboon (back then ^^) the right way out of their blindness.......

Hey, even until now, if you ever go to Saudi Arabia with georgeus female(s) (your mom, aunt, daughter, or wife, whatever), never EVER let them step in to taxi FIRST, and make sure they STEP OUT from the taxi FIRST !!!! And one thing to made you clear, its not because Islam here, its because simply most people of Arabia are indeed 'stupid baboon'....Thats why such rules made for.....which actually to protect womens from being abused and to protect their dignity.....

Imagine what will happened if the woman you are with (or maybe the women itself here, ladies? ^^) are wearing sexy dress ^^

However, if the women itself is a whore who willing to sleep with any men, I guess I cant say anything else ^^

@deltaboy (I like your research at exoskeletal armor ^^)
Yeah, what youre saying is right as well....But please note here that in any possible scenario, IT will only happened if ALL moslem in the world wishing for WAR AGAINST AMERICA....which unfortunately is not ^^ Guys, Im working in the name of peace here ^^ (Heeey....I do admit that I want to kill certain somebody sometimes, but at least Im sane enough not to do it, right? ^^)



All I can say is that WAR IS WRONG, PEOPLE WHO ENGAGE WAR is STUPID, and the PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE ANY INTENTION TO END WAR is IDIOT, regardless they are moslem radicals or americans...All humans are same for me.

All I can say is that WAR IS WRONG, PEOPLE WHO ENGAGE WAR is STUPID, and the PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE ANY INTENTION TO END WAR is IDIOT

REPLY: FYE... please name me a time in the past 300-400 years where, in dealing with a tyrant or dictator, lasting peace was won by appeasement, understanding or negotiations. Your thoughts are shared by many, but sorry to say, lasting peace is only won through victory.

Ahahaha. Sorry, it cant be helped, I believe in total pacifism ^^ I just interested to prevent the trouble, not fix it. Besides, the side which first to disturb the balance will finally meet their promised time, sooner or later. Sorry if Im being philosophic or delphic ^^ War is not for 'war', as if win is not for 'win'. This is the aplication from the principal of mushin-no-shin of Zen Buddhism. Uncontrolled ambition and hunger of power leads to nowhere ^^

Oh, just wonder...in this case, who is the dictator?

quote by Fye

I believe in total pacifism,

REPLY: .. and you will be conquered/owned by those who do not.

Uncontrolled ambition and hunger of power leads to nowhere. Oh, just wonder...in this case, who is the dictator?

REPLY: You would be better served to pose that question to Castro, Kim Jong, Chevez, and Allah, etc, etc.

Mod Edit: Fixed BB Code.

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Iqonx, I will not engage in the arcane points of differences between Sunni, Shi’a, etc. I personally know two Sunni Persians, although they, along with most of the Zoroastrians and Baha’I, have been dealt with rather severely by the present thugs in power.

“Secondly they do not want to force anything on other people. It is the western nations such as American and Britain that are forcing there ways on people in the middle east.”

There are laws in countries like Saudi Arabia (where I have been, in a rather unpleasant 9-month stay) where one MUST follow Islamic rules regarding dress; there are no such laws in the western democracies. Many Muslim countries do not allow Christian Churches or constrain them severely, such is not the case in the Western Democracies. Saudi forbids western wear for women, the West does not forbid any such.

“ infact [sic] these groups just want America to leave the middle east alone thats [sic] it nothing more.”

We’re not going to leave the Middle East alone. We are trading with individuals and governments who want to trade with us. We live in a global economy and it will not go away, although the Islamofascists would dearly love to see it go away.

“If you don;t belive me take a look at bin ladins speaches, in every speach he clearly ask the west to remove there millitry bases from muslim countries and then they will get peace.”

Are you saying that bun Laden has the right to speak for every government of every muslim country? Because his views anre certainly not shared by most of those countries, including his own.

“Yes im sure muslims are angry becuase they are inferior to the "west". “

Correct. Islamic culture, although it once led the world with scholars like Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Musa Al-Khwarizmi, and others under the leadership of Haroun al-Rashid, fell apart after the 12th century. Can you name a single ground- breaking scientific or technical work other than “Hisab al-jabr w'al-muqabala?” The only Muslim government to survive into the 20th century was that of the Ottomans in Turkey, and they were just a shell of their former glory.

"Muslims are one of the most diverse group of people on earth hence they do not have a shared culture so to say muslims are static is beyound ignorance becuase there are white, black african / white africa, asian, arab muslims and between them they live in nearly every major country on earth and are native to europe,asia,africa,america,middle-east and between them have hundreds of different languages.”

Look at any Islamic country, whether Asian, Middle East, African, or whatever – and tell me what technology they have developed over the past thousand years.

Tell me the last time a Muslim army fought a Christian army and won.

That's what I mean about a cultural inferiority complex. Muslims can be (and are) as smart and brave as their Western counterparts; it is their CULTURE which has relegated them to second-class status in the world.

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
They have two tremendous advantages over us:

First, they understand the concept of asymmetrical warfare better than we do. They understand the one person willing to give his or her life in a suicide-murder bombing simply cannot be stopped. They can kill anyone they want to, including the heads of state of western countries, simply by careful planning an being willing to trade one or two of their lives for one or two or maybe a thousand of our lives.


“That is more propaganda. The terrorists have no advantage over the west what so ever. If they had this tremendous advantages that you claim of why could they not stop a allied invasion of Afganistan. I will tell you why becuase they have nothing.

They are a inferior fighters with inferiour trainning who had a couple of good cheap shots at America and a few western countries and now are turned into boogie men by the western media.”

I‘m not sure you understand the concept and definition of “asymmetrical warfare”.

“I repeat they do not intent to take over America or any western nation all they want is America to leave them alone.”

I don’t believe you – or any of the islamo-fascist apologists.

I have nothing against Islam per se. I can quote you sura for sura, but I will not. But the fascists who say they are of the faith of Allah the Merciful and Compassionate are liars and Shaitan will deal with them.

It is regretful that they are callously manipulating the minds of so many of the Faithful to their perverted view of God and the Prophet (pbuh).

But if Islam as a whole throws its lot in with the terrorists (and I hope this is not the case) then they too, will share in their fate.

Off_The_Street: One must also recognize that wars are not the only way to make a country "conform" to or alter your beliefs and laws. Look at many countries today, and see how the members of Islam are breeding like rabbits, and also the illegal/legal immigration into much of Europe.

It's the same problem America is facing with illegal Mexicans. Many local governments now have politicians with the same beliefs and goals of MECHA, LaRaza, etc. So now they have the power to influence local laws that would benefit the illegals. It will soon be America's "Palestine."

Originally posted by zappafan1
It's the same problem America is facing with illegal Mexicans. Many local governments now have politicians with the same beliefs and goals of MECHA, LaRaza, etc. So now they have the power to influence local laws that would benefit the illegals. It will soon be America's "Palestine."

America's Palestine? I remember we have a city or town called Palestine in Texas. Anyways the situation with illegal aliens is not the same as the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Are you saying that America is the equivalent of being the Palestinians that are being pushed from their lands and the Mexian immigrants are the Israelis? Dream on.