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Forever Terror, Forever Tyranny!

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posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 07:35 PM
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Some on this system and elsewhere have published that good presidents such as Abraham Lincoln, suspended the provisions of Habeus Corpus where people accused of crimes can have fair trials and due process. Even if that is true, there is another issue strange people presented to us that we need to look at.

In the case of President Lincoln, an emergency situation erupted, and there was a timeline for when the emergency would be over with. We say this even with our disagreement over President Lincoln, or any president, tampering with the provisions of the Constitution of the United States.

But now the Bush Administration and vast advertising agency show us that the Bush Administration's condemnation of American Constitutional principle is permanent and has no timeline. They are telling us not only that terrorism always will be with us, but, while telling us this is a NEW DAY, they are telling us that Terrorism always was with us since the beginning.

Therefore every unconstitutional principle contained in the Patriot Act are to stand forever, and in fact...

SHOULD HAVE BEEN INSTITUTED SINCE THE BEGINNING. In other words: the only way to have secure government IS TO RUN THE INQUISITIONS!

If you want to understand what is going on all around, just read about the Inquisitions. You will find that is a blueprint to all the "surprising" and "unforeseen" circumstances and events taking place today.

[edit on 30-6-2006 by tmac100]




posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 07:13 AM
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How many inquisitions have you been to lately? Freedoms have not been taken away. How many people do you know that had the door to their house kicked in in the middle of the night and they were taken away. Do you realize that everything placed into law has to be voted on. Yes the Patriot act was voted in, by republicans and democrats.
This Bush is a dictator is all made up in your koolaid drinking heads.
I wonder how many of you actually grew up in a country with a dictator. Maybe then you would know how it really is.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 08:28 AM
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This was a deliberately false and idle post. As you can see, the points in the post above were deliberately evaded.

The point was, since Bush tells us we are in a New Day of terror, and his cronies tell us we always had terrorism in our lives well before Bush, and always will, when will we no longer need the Patriot Act that we lived without all our lives till Bush and Inquisition team came along? Steve99 came to make me look paranoid about the upcoming re-installation of the Inquisitions as Jack Chick and other sources have said.

Steve99, did you see any of the "conspiracy theorists" collapse your house yet? Why are you strange posters always concerned about them? When you leave your house, do you look east and west for the big bad ol' conspiracy theorists? Or north and south?

If Steve99 is concerned about paranoia while intent to make the worst example of it in a president flourish, why then don't we stop Bush so that the push to become what Steve99 has said doesn't come?

Then, let's ask other questions that can prove what is taking place here is propaganda treason.

What WMDs have we found yet?

This question will naturally have no effect on those who are not just debaters.

Next: more than 89 people were tortured to death under the "new America" that resembles the Inquisitions. Which of them were terrorists and had secret information? Here we see that actual lives were lost due to paranoia (as we are being nice here since that isn't the actual cause).

Steve99 is trying to say that we are paranoid. Where was he when President Bush even boldly said that he would have attacked Iraq anyway even though there were no WMDs in order to "SAVE AMERICA?" Did Steve99 know that America literally kicked Iraq's rump severely just a few years prior? Did he know that Iraq was contained and then placed under no-fly-zones? Was Steve99 around to set things straight and save lives?

This was the same Steve99 who, when I first encountered him, entered on one of my posts and offered no discussion. He just sent in a post asking me what prescription drugs I take. None like him ever yet told us it is a crime to disagree with them in a free country and on the internet even yet. He is a string of many I encountered on the internet who do the same thing. It's like debating with George Bush on the internet. Don't even think that this revelation will embarrass Steve99.

[edit on 30-6-2006 by tmac100]



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 08:48 AM
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I can see that you guys are corrupting dialogue here on this forum system, struggling to make the very definition of the word DISCUSSION unreachable. What is here demonstrated is the actual worst forum scenario. The very definition of the term discussion forum actually shows that the top concern is to have discussion and not actually to be nice.

None of those who entered to cloud up, miscontrue or falsify my posts intended to be nice. We all have different concerns. Ours is to preserve life and liberty. Just take it for yourselves whether or not Steve99's post above was to combat paranoia. Such brave people should not be afraid of mere posts. And consequently, they are not just afraid of mere posts!

If we encounter so many strange people who have no conscience, can we conclude that people with no conscience can run death camps?

[edit on 30-6-2006 by tmac100]



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 10:05 AM
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tmac100


I have definately been "tripping" on this detail that has NEVER been brought up in the MSM. I have been firmly against the PATRIOT ACT since its inception.
I also abhore any suspension or deviation of/from the Constitution. I feel very strongly that the founding fathers didnt put war time clauses into the original Constitution for a very simple reason: There are no exceptions to following the Constitution. While it is always important to hold the Constitution's and Bill of Rights's laws above all else; it is even more important that, even in time of war, we uphold and protect the Constitution. This WOT is of the upmost importance since this is a war of Ideology. And, as I have said many times and Ill say it again

when, in a war of ideology, one compromises those ideals, even at the pain of death, they have already lost the war of ideology. For it is not our lives that will win or lose the war it is our Ideals.

Lets talk about paranoia for a second
myself included on the CN side)
(CN=Conspiracy Nuts; or Tinf Foil Hats=TFH..lol)
Paranoia is something that afflicts both sides of the fence.

For the conspiracy nuts- well its obvious what we are told we are paranoid about---EVERYTHING...roflmao... and its true..


For the govt and supporters- You are paranoid about--- EVERYONE...roflmao...

together we have EVERYTHING and EVERYONE covered


If this were not true then the CN's wouldnt question everything.. and on the other side.... the Official supporters wouldnt search everything and everyone; they wouldnt have Broad wiretaps,PATRIOT ACT, broad finacial tracking, national ID or REAL ID, that encompass the whole population of the united states for the actions of 19 "terrorists"...talk about a few bad apples spoiling the the whole orchard.. jeez..

Face it we are at a point that to one degree and direction or another both sides of the "conspiracy fence" are paranoid.. paranoia doesnt necc. mean a bad thing its how its utilized that makes the difference... feed it in a positive healthy manner and it may help answer questions and debunk falsities.. let it control you however and it leads to destruction(either physical or emotional or both)

The problem that the author (I think) was trying to convey are two main points(correct me if im wrong tmac)
1.)if we have always had terrorism in the world; then why is it that we ever needed things like the PATRIOT ACT to begin with?
Especially given we are still here as a nation 230 years later.
2.)If the WOT is an unending war then when do we get our Constitutionally protected rights reinstated that overastep the bounds of the Fourth Amendment?
aka wiretapping millions of americans, broad financial snooping.. to name a couple of the bigger examples.

I personally feel that our govt(whether complicit in 911 or not) has taken way to much of an advantage of the American people. They have been all to opportunistic in consolodating power to themselves while effectively removing any exposure and accountability; thanks to "National Security"

I give my kudos to you tmac100 for your thread.. its not, nearly, a talked about enough topic


[edit on 30-6-2006 by TONE23]



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 11:55 AM
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Tone,

If it is true that we are all paranoid, why not let us take a look at history so we can see where we're headed. What is the most danger caused by people who, in the free rights, believe there is a conspiracy? What does history show that this belief has caused untold dangers that makes the other half so desperate to attack?

What does history show of government which increase surveillance upon its citizens and then claims the right to arrest and detain them indefinitely without due process?

You can see there is a tremendous difference here, and, if the American people have reached the point where they like or are merely satisfied with being lied to, they must be left to their fates.

In the meantime, I work for those who still have ears to hear. For my entire life I always knew America to contain the same kind of "paranoia" that I have. That's why no one of the earlier even Bush globalist family could have pushed in what Bush is now struggling for in lieu of his failure to protect. I don't consider myself weird in a true America.

We lived 99% of the life of this nation without the Patriot Act. We can live the rest till Christ comes so long as we make sure no one having family ties to terrorists is put in a position to protect us.

Thanks for your input.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 11:58 AM
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Im sorry tmac100... I was not disagreeing with you in my previous post.
I was merely illustrating that paranoia is a two way street that none of us are immune from.

Like I said before I think your questions are MORE than valid
And I would also love to see them answered by our leadership.

Keep quuestioning authority



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by tmac100
Some on this system and elsewhere have published that good presidents such as Abraham Lincoln, suspended the provisions of Habeus Corpus where people accused of crimes can have fair trials and due process. Even if that is true, there is another issue strange people presented to us that we need to look at.

In the case of President Lincoln, an emergency situation erupted, and there was a timeline for when the emergency would be over with. We say this even with our disagreement over President Lincoln, or any president, tampering with the provisions of the Constitution of the United States.

But now the Bush Administration and vast advertising agency show us that the Bush Administration's condemnation of American Constitutional principle is permanent and has no timeline. They are telling us not only that terrorism always will be with us, but, while telling us this is a NEW DAY, they are telling us that Terrorism always was with us since the beginning.

Therefore every unconstitutional principle contained in the Patriot Act are to stand forever, and in fact...

SHOULD HAVE BEEN INSTITUTED SINCE THE BEGINNING. In other words: the only way to have secure government IS TO RUN THE INQUISITIONS!

If you want to understand what is going on all around, just read about the Inquisitions. You will find that is a blueprint to all the "surprising" and "unforeseen" circumstances and events taking place today.

[edit on 30-6-2006 by tmac100]


Please tell me what the bush admin has done be specific which violates the constitution... When you say patriot act be specific.

And where did you find this timeline for when the civil war would be over because if it was made before the war started and ended that would be trippy as well as mystical.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 12:26 PM
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Bush has done many things unprecedented, BUT NOT UNKNOWN. Let no one tell you that the world has never seen regimes where the heads of state can accuse someone of a crime and then arrest, detain, torture and kill him in secret. Just list all the governments which adopted such policies and the arguments are naturally over.

Tone, I never thought that you disagreed with me. You much more made great discussion.

Remember when Steve99 asked us where have we seen soldiers breaking down our doors because of the Patriot Act? Where did Bush see Iraq destroying this country? Why didn't he ask Bush that?

America had much more of an advantage over Iraq than the other way around. America also has aerial surveillance of Iraq, and I can promise you Iraq doesn't have that benefit against America. Twas the days when my chest stuck out high when people told me American aerial surveillance is so advanced, it can see a basketball on the road from outer space!



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 12:51 PM
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original quote by:tmac100
Tone, I never thought that you disagreed with me. You much more made great discussion.


sorry I was just making sure...lol

original quote by:tmac100
Remember when Steve99 asked us where have we seen soldiers breaking down our doors because of the Patriot Act? Where did Bush see Iraq destroying this country? Why didn't he ask Bush that?


As I have posted in a couple of steve99's threads I have come to understand that steve99 is very passionate about his confidence in our current political leaders.
He is also a man who requires something he can get a tangable grip on as evidence(not easy to convince) Although I am on the complete other side of his perspective; I respect his opinions(even though I agree with very few of them.. as he does with me, I am sure) As far as the two questions you posed.. I think they are best answered by steve99.



original quote by:tmac100
America had much more of an advantage over Iraq than the other way around. America also has aerial surveillance of Iraq, and I can promise you Iraq doesn't have that benefit against America. Twas the days when my chest stuck out high when people told me American aerial surveillance is so advanced, it can see a basketball on the road from outer space!


Whats funny is even with the most advanced surveillance techniques in the world we still got the intel on Iraq very wrong(at the least... and criminal manipulation at its worst.. the latter I would hope is not even remotely true.)- but thats why we are here isnt it? to question everything? Even if but to discount it as a feasable possibility.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by tmac100
Bush has done many things unprecedented, BUT NOT UNKNOWN. Let no one tell you that the world has never seen regimes where the heads of state can accuse someone of a crime and then arrest, detain, torture and kill him in secret. Just list all the governments which adopted such policies and the arguments are naturally over.

Tone, I never thought that you disagreed with me. You much more made great discussion.

Remember when Steve99 asked us where have we seen soldiers breaking down our doors because of the Patriot Act? Where did Bush see Iraq destroying this country? Why didn't he ask Bush that?

America had much more of an advantage over Iraq than the other way around. America also has aerial surveillance of Iraq, and I can promise you Iraq doesn't have that benefit against America. Twas the days when my chest stuck out high when people told me American aerial surveillance is so advanced, it can see a basketball on the road from outer space!


Again please list your grip don't just say he's done many things... This seems more like common hysteria of the bush name then anything worth mentioning. Just so you can see what I'm saying clinton established a project or at least gave it a go which intercepts every electronic communication made might be echelon, that invades your privacy as much as anything. Did anyone say boo about it, nope. But since bush is involved its the end of the world.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 01:24 PM
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We attack a nation we just beat the daylights out of previously and then had it under no-fly-zones and contained and you can SEE hysteria about anything else? I am not interested in what you see!

The nation is being run by visions of terror from the past. Don't ask me to see what you see. I'm not interested.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by tmac100
We attack a nation we just beat the daylights out of previously ....


I'm sure your not you've created your own reality. Thats clear. Did you ever think of the strategic importance of planting a democracy in the heart of the middle east. Nope of course not your to busy letting visions of your own fear "bush" run you...

Contained lmao let me guess in a box.... Like how cancer can be contained and then one after you stop paying attention it starts growing again...

[edit on 30-6-2006 by American Madman]

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[edit on 30-6-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 01:33 PM
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The answers Mountain man is looking for were already posted all the time and his other friends danced around them making sure they don't answer them. No man should want to execute his justice in secret. Such a person is already likely a super-criminal or a war criminal. The best thing to do is for Bush to accuse Mountain man of terrorism. He would not be so willingly dunce then. We shouldn't give rights to terrorists when it is proven that a person is a terrorist. A person is not a terrorist if someone bold enough to claim he didn't think anyone could have foreseen that the levys of New Orleans would have fallen after being briefed that they can beforehand says so. How come even the Supreme Court cannot see that a person who can lie like that must never have all power over the United States as a reward for failing to protect its people?

Just like the issue of cults today. Bush is into a very bizarre and mysterious religion being a member of Skull and Bones: the very insignia that the Nazis wore on their hats. But, because he's the president, no one is supposed to say that he belongs to a cult. Even David Koresh didn't inmesh himself in secrecy to deny access to his religion if they wanted to join, or to find out what was going on in it. Bush claims his entire affair with Skull and Bones is too secret to reveal.

Why is this? One thing we know is that, like the Nazis, it is a globalistic organization, or concerned about taking over the world. If that is the case, and the cult is secret and they want to take over the world, could one reason why they are secret be that they are talkin about you? How can anyone or agenda want a One World Government without talking about you?

Let Mountain Man get over his Three Blind Mice Syndrome first. The best way to do that and to solve all the problems is to put all those supporting the Inquisitions in GITMO.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 01:35 PM
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If you guys can't play nice this thread will be trashed. M'kay?



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 01:36 PM
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original quote by:American Madman
Again please list your grip don't just say he's done many things...


Valid question... While I cannot speak for tmac100 on this some of the gripes that I have are listed as follows:

USA PATRIOT ACT
Domestic phone tapping
Bank records tracked

there are a few more but I think this gets my point across enough.

I feel that these methods that have been employed are NOT consistent with the Constitution.
Why is it that we are so afraid to die; that we would willingly give up what so many generations of soldiers(my brother was 82nd airborne(Granada); my Grandfather(WWII, and Korea)) have fought so hard to give us. I for one would rather be dead and know that our society has not compromised our most beloved document; then to live for 150 years if it means being under the rule of an overbearing/obtrusive govt.
What is the point of protecting the Constitution when we cannot adhere to it when it matters most. Now more than everbefore the Constitution is under threat. The stated claim is that the terrorists hate our way of life..ie.. freedom. Being as such this is:as noone will argue, a war of ideology. How can we ever claim victory when we compromise our ideology.. we have beaten ourselves and all the terrorists had to do to win was get 19 people together and fly 3 planes into buildings... now the whole of the nation and the Constitution itself must pay the price? all in the name of Freedom?

Apparently a few bad apples really do spoil the orchard- my quote for the day



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
If you guys can't play nice this thread will be trashed. M'kay?


I am sorry intrepid if I contributed to the reason this statement was being made.

I actually defended steve99 BTW even though Im not of the same opinion he is.. FYI- Again sorry for any interruption

[edit on 30-6-2006 by TONE23]



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 01:42 PM
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I'm sure your not you've created your own reality. Thats clear.


Was it real to be afraid of a nation we beat the daylights out of, and contained it under no-fly-zones? Tell us about your Inquisition realities that are so clear, the nation is more than evenly divided and Bush popularity numbers are low even till the national media has to admit it.


Did you ever think of the strategic importance of planting a democracy in the heart of the middle east. Nope of course not your to busy letting visions of your own fear "bush" run you...

Contained lmao let me guess in a box.... Like how cancer can be contained and then one after you stop paying attention it starts growing again...


Why didn't the forefathers think of this? Why did Hitler also want to plant a global democracy everywhere while he was yet taking away the liberties of his own people? How come American man cannot see that while Bush claims to be pushing democracy everywhere, the people himself over here are under daily suspicion and being snooped (AS BEFORE 911, which Mountain Man and the other unbelievables have yet to address).

Why didn't Mountain man realize that working to free just one country contrary to American law would cost $400 billion dollars to then start with another country and another country? Why can't Mountain man see that, like all his other friends, these question will be ignored in even pretense that he doesn't see it?

When his Inquisitions are built, will he bankrupt it trying to free countries?

I am not interested in what the treason sees.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by TONE23


original quote by:American Madman
Again please list your grip don't just say he's done many things...


Valid question... While I cannot speak for tmac100 on this some of the gripes that I have are listed as follows:

USA PATRIOT ACT
Domestic phone tapping
Bank records tracked


I know of both of these..

Both are subject to review read your privacy disclosures with the banks and phone companies. Making them legal. Plus they have more to worry about then to just manually read over my conversations with my friends they are using data mining with machines that only report back information deemed as worthy...

Having said that if the gov start kicking in people doors for absolutely no reason then its an issue untill then I see it as just a common sense approach to find out who may be up to something. If you make legitamte transaction don't be worried, if your funneling money for a terrorist group be worried. If your talking to your friend about kinky sex and smoking dope don't be worried. If you talking to a know terrorist or someone who has be worried.

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[edit on 30-6-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 01:47 PM
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No Tone that wasn't directed at you. Now that AMM has packed the attitude away things can continue. tmac, if you refer to anyone by anything other than their proper username, you will be warned.



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