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reply posted on 1-7-2006 @ 04:06 PM by Blaine91555



reply posted on 2-7-2006 @ 06:50 PM by elysiumfire
Personally, I think Blaine's links are a bit of kidology. If you compare the percentages against each countries population you will calculate the league winner between the USA and Great Britain for most violent crimes. USA is by far the country with the most victims, and thus, their crime rate is higher, regardless of how they want to dress up the figures. Pro-gun lobbyists tend to use figures in this manner to back up their claim for gun ownership, afterall, its a booming business.

Britain is a relatively safe country. It does have its crime rate, with a prison population around the 250,000 mark, whereas the USA exceeds two million.

America's population, circa 2000 was 300 million
Great Britain's population circa 2001 was 59 million

The percentages quoted were:

America - 2% on average
Great Britain - 2.5% on average. Just do the math!

Self-safety is a matter of common sense most of the time, but of course, there are times that trouble can find you out without you even looking for it. Pub fights can erupt, street fights can kick off, or you can find yourself coming home to a door slightly open with the sound of rummaging going on inside. How you act is down to your own confidence and intelligence.
Sometimes - and this has happend to me - you are left with no other choice but to defend yourself. The pillock in front of you seems determined to make a violent point with you as his example. In this situation you cannot hesitate, get in quick and savagely, and make sure he can't get back up.
My situation was mistaken identity, but the guy came at me with a stool, I took him down with a side kick to the knee cap. I was severly cautioned by the police, but whom also told me I did good. Personally, I # myself at the time!


reply posted on 2-7-2006 @ 07:21 PM by DeusEx
What matters is the number of issues per capita. If your country has a higher number of victims per 100,000 population, your country is, in fact, LESS safe. While Britain seems safe, what has it cost you?

I used to think that gun control, or at least gun restriction, was a good idea. Of course, after a lot of discourse and reading, I completely reversed my opinion. There was an essay which really made me think. Here is an excerpt:

Is your life worth protecting? If so, whose responsibility is it to protect it? If you believe that it is the police's, not only are you wrong -- since the courts universally rule that they have no legal obligation to do so -- but you face some difficult moral quandaries. How can you rightfully ask another human being to risk his life to protect yours, when you will assume no responsibility yourself? Because that is his job and we pay him to do it? Because your life is of incalculable value, but his is only worth the $30,000 salary we pay him? If you believe it reprehensible to possess the means and will to use lethal force to repel a criminal assault, how can you call upon another to do so for you?

Do you believe that you are forbidden to protect yourself because the police are better qualified to protect you, because they know what they are doing but you're a rank amateur? Put aside that this is equivalent to believing that only concert pianists may play the piano and only professional athletes may play sports. What exactly are these special qualities possessed only by the police and beyond the rest of us mere mortals?


The rest of an essay is here:
A Nation of Cowards, by Jeffrey R. Snyder

My rangemaster was fond of a certian truism in the essay: Call for the cops, an ambulance, and a pizza. See who gets there first.

Enjoy the thin crust while you bleed out. I know that Toronto's 52 division has an approximate wait time of six to ten minutes on a 911 call that's of the most serious nature (ei. "Pork chop sandwiches, I've been shot!"), which by my calculations is more than enough time to, you know, die or be raped and have your assailant run off before they get there. Well, even if they stuck around, I bet you're real happy about it, right?

DE

[edit on 2-7-2006 by DeusEx]


reply posted on 3-7-2006 @ 02:31 AM by Russian soldier
Originally posted by toolman

I cant resist posting this story here, sorry if its out of line.

A few years back my freinds grandmother's house was broken into, she was a Farm Girl from Russia, tough as they come.
She beat the hell out of the burglar, then placed a side by side into his mouth and called police. The Police arrived and took the burglar into custody, who ended up being a known and wanted Rapist as well.
He was convicted and jailed for decades. The Police still visit granny occasionally for coffee and her cakes.




The grandma seems crazy, so imagine how I am. I am a one man army, you could kind of say. I have been in many many fights (note,I only fight to protect myself and others) and never lost once. I have fought multiple people and even knocked out a person armed with a metal bar. I am cool normally, but when threatened (or even worse, when one of my friends or family are threatened) I become a terrible beast. When I face somone/some people who look like they could win me, I clutch my fists, fill my head with rage, and fearlessy and aggressivley attack. My fists are my grand weapon, I am probably capable of breaking bricks, and most of my recent fights ended quickly with me knocking the other person out for more then 20 minutes. I don't know how much damage I have done to people, but judging by how I broke right through some weak doors and heavily damaged some weak walls, and the fact that I practice on metal surfaces, I'd say I probably damage their skull/jaw. I am defineltey not your average person walking down the street. I walk with my head high, fearless look in my face. I've been known by names like "hercules" for my strength and "Russian rocket" because when threatened I go off like a rocket. Second, I have MANY friends. This is a specialty of mine. I make friends quickly and everywhere. I get along with everyone and have at least one thing in common with most people. I have a force of more then 30 friends who got my back. I myself would take a bullet for any of them. Most of my friends are armed and 90% of them have fighting experience. Next, I have weapons, but don't really need them. I have an EXTREMELY powerful rifle that shoots sharp pellets VERY fast. I also have a machete and a baseball bat. And finally, the most important thing is my fearlessness. If you were to try to rob me at gunpoint, I'd instantly try to disable you using the Systema techniques I saw in the videos. If your gun is to my head, I gaurantee you that I'll disarm you. I am quit crazy, but am still not sure how fearless I would be in some situations. However, I assure you, that even if I am afraid, I can do the anger technique, which makes me lose all fear. It isn't gauranteed to work, and i could get shot or something. My first defense is MY NAME. I am well respected and feared by plenty in my area. But if the person throws a punch, then I must protect myself and advance to stage two-fight back. I'd probably just knock him out and leave, but I am getting worried that I could accidentely kill someone with my punch! So, should I throw a weak punch and expect him to attack again, or should I punch him hard and risk hurting him seriously? I punch in the jaw, so I don't see how I could kill him (unless he falls hard with his head). So I just throw the medium punch. It will KO and probably no risk involved. My light punch probably might KO, too, but it depends. Anyway, I'm probably the last person you wanna rob or attack. If you get in my home, I will also fight very viciously. I can easily take advantage of the environment (such as chairs or the table) and use them. When I get in the Russian army, hopefully I will get even better with my self defense, and I want to start learning the Systema.
I currently box, do kicks, lift heavy and light weights, do pushups, pullups and situps. I practice fight with other people and often tell them to punch me in the weakpoints so that I would be prepared in a real fight.



That's how I defend myself. My advice is to know many people. Its good to try to make friends with everyone. Learn to fight and defend yourself. For weaker people, I recommend pepper spray. Don't ever let fear take you in a situation. Always have a tough look on you. If you're in the situation, look for the best way out. I think everyone on the thread has already said what I want to. And remember, in every situation there's a way out. Avoid and think.

GOOD LUCK!


reply posted on 3-7-2006 @ 03:17 PM by Clipper
With all due respect, there are over 12,600 murders in USA a year. That's 20 times more people who have killed each other in USA since 9/11 than those who died on that day. That is a massacre.

The question should be, how do Americans defend themselves? Because whatever they are doing, it is not working.

Becoming more violent and arming ourselves to the teeth is not the answer. The American way is destined to fail. It is based on insecurity. I believe the American people to be somewhat paranoid. They are the proudest nation on the planet and that is at the heart of their problem.

Britain is going through a period where a gangland mentality is taking a grip and many young people are increasingly disenfranchised and knives are a symbol of status.

The police forces are largely incompetent and underfunded, the Met police chief is a Blair puppet and Tony Blair's policies encourage violence to thrive, example new 24 hour drinking laws, relaxing cannibis laws, school league tables, taking away parental responsibilities and school discipline and failing to build more prisons and ensuring laws judges follow fit the crimes. Reported violent assaults in Britain have risen from quarter a million to a million since Blair came to office.

America has some good laws on drinking that the UK could do with. In many areas in USA you can't buy a drink if you are under 21 and they very regularly check your ID if you look like you could be younger. You can't carry a drink in the street. Most violence is drink or drug related and involving young people, so these laws are effective.

Violent crime has been slashed in many American cities. Giuliani's zero tolerance worked and it seems obvious that by getting the police on the streets and enforcing laws, crime will fall. Britain has a lot to learn by looking at America, both good and bad.

Despite the murder rate, I feel safer in American cities at night than I do in Britain. You don't get gangs of rowdy drunks like you do in UK. In my experience the streets are cleaner, police are more active and even the beggers are far better spoken than the filth you hear everyday in Britain.


[edit on 3-7-2006 by Clipper]
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