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posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 12:54 AM
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It is true that Washington spoke out against the Illuminati in that particular letter. However, it must be put into context. At the time, Washington knew little or nothing about the authentic Illuminati, and was basing his opinions on the hearsay that had reached the colonies, i.e., the Jesuit propaganda that painted the Illuminati as evil in Bavaria.


ML, thank you for the Jefferson quotes, as I wondered about this in the past. So did Jefferson understand the real reasons why there was a falling out between Weishaupt and Knigge? Now I know that Jefferson stood very much opposed to International Banking and I doubt he was anything less than of the highest Character. But I doubt he was totally aware of all the forces working within the Weishaupt movement. Of course, he justifiably rejected Jesuitism and thus anything opposing it seemed acceptable but did he trade in one kind of monster for another, without fully knowing all the objectives stated therein until much later on?

I also cannot help but wonder why G. Washington would have claimed that he knows something for certain, if he was unsure about something? If Washingotn had no idea about the true illuminati than why did Manly P. Hall say that Washington was himself ‘Illuminated‘and as one of the Masonic founders of America, can we not also grant Brother Washington the benefit of the doubt that he would NOT have said something “is too evident to be questioned” , unless he was more than sure? Washington refers not only to the Democratic Party itself having such ideas of the Illuminati Jacobins, but was not Jefferson a member of the founding Democratic Party? In fact, I understand that Jefferson found out that there were “problems” within the party later on and if so, did he find out something later on regarding the Democratic Party members? According to G. Washington, the Democratic Party was founded by people that “had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned”.


…. That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."


Why didn’t Washingotn mention the Republican Party members might also have certain members doing this also? Do you think it’s possible that the Democratic parties were basically using Weishaupt’s language to promote “Liberty” with a double edged sword to represent Liberty for one person and separation for another?




posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by Cinosamitna


ML, thank you for the Jefferson quotes, as I wondered about this in the past. So did Jefferson understand the real reasons why there was a falling out between Weishaupt and Knigge?


I'm not sure, but I would say probably not. I think their falling out had much to do with a clash of egos, and disagreements on how the Illuminati should have been run. Von Knigge seems to have been right, as the Order under Weishaupt's lead was never really able to do anything but get together and hold whining contests.


Now I know that Jefferson stood very much opposed to International Banking and I doubt he was anything less than of the highest Character. But I doubt he was totally aware of all the forces working within the Weishaupt movement. Of course, he justifiably rejected Jesuitism and thus anything opposing it seemed acceptable but did he trade in one kind of monster for another, without fully knowing all the objectives stated therein until much later on?


Jefferson was aware of the true objectives of the Illuminati, and was also aware of the scapegoating of the Order. He probably wasn't aware of all the internal strife in the Order.


I also cannot help but wonder why G. Washington would have claimed that he knows something for certain, if he was unsure about something? If Washingotn had no idea about the true illuminati than why did Manly P. Hall say that Washington was himself ‘Illuminated‘and as one of the Masonic founders of America, can we not also grant Brother Washington the benefit of the doubt that he would NOT have said something “is too evident to be questioned” , unless he was more than sure?


Just let me say that I highly respect Brother Hall, but he sometimes allowed his imagination to get the best of him. Washington was a great man in many aspects, but he was just a man, and as liable to error as anyone else.



Washington refers not only to the Democratic Party itself having such ideas of the Illuminati Jacobins, but was not Jefferson a member of the founding Democratic Party? In fact, I understand that Jefferson found out that there were “problems” within the party later on and if so, did he find out something later on regarding the Democratic Party members? According to G. Washington, the Democratic Party was founded by people that “had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned”.



Why didn’t Washingotn mention the Republican Party members might also have certain members doing this also?


The Republican Party was not founded until much later, after Washington's death. Washington opposed the formation of parties because he believed that partisanship would only bring strife and split the nation. Nevertheless, Washington's ideas are what led to the formation of the Federalist Party, and it was Jefferson who founded the Democratic Party to oppose them. The basic difference was that the Federalists wanted a stronger federal government, while the Democrats were more concerned with more power being delegated to local governments.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by Cug
Actually for the most part the O.T.O.'s sex magick (and western sex magick in general) comes from Paschal Beverly Randolph via the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor. Randolph never got any credit for this in his lifetime because of his black ancestry.




Right, there's an interesting book on this by Joscelyn Godwin.

It seems that Paschal Beverly Randolph founded the FRC, a Rosicrucian Fraternity who claimed that Benjamin Franklin and many other well known Rosicrucians belonged to it.

He was also said to be Abraham Lincoln's Spiritual advisor as well.

Though I'm not sure if they where actually representing the Great White Brotherhood or not, as P. B. Randolph's Sex Magic system seems to be of Black-Tantrism, according to second-hand accounts that is.

Although one of the later leaders of the FRC, Swinburne Clymer, referred to A. Crowley as a Black Magician.


Anyway, it seems that Arnold Krumm Heller also had dealings with the FRC.

Speaking of which...





Originally posted by Tamahu
As I said, if that was the original O.T.O. Sex Magic system, why would Arnold Krumm-Heller(who taught White Tantra) have associated with the O.T.O. at all?



Because he used their system.





It is highly doubtful that the original O.T.O. Sex Magic Initiations were the same as A. Crowley's, and even more doubtful that Arnold Krumm-Heller would have praticed them:





Arcanum 10






"Instead of the coitus which reaches the orgasm, sweet caresses, amorous phrases and delicate touching should be lavished reflectively, keeping the Mind constantly separated from animal sexuality, sustaining the purest spirituality as if the act were a true religious ceremony.

“Nevertheless, the man can and should introduce (the “Iod”) the penis and keep it inside (the “He”) the feminine sex to bring about a divine sensation upon both, full of joy, that can last for hours, withdrawing it at the moment the orgasm is near to avoid the ejaculation of Semen. In this way, they will have a greater Desire to caress each other each time.

“This may be repeated as many times as desired without ever becoming tiresome. On the contrary, it is the Magic Key to daily rejuvenation, keeping the body healthy and prolonging life, because this constant magnetization is a fountain of health.

“We know that in ordinary magnetism, the magnetizer communicates fluids to the subject and if the first has those forces developed, he can heal the second. The transmission of magnetic fluids is ordinarily done through the hands or through the eyes, but it is necessary to say that there is no greater and more powerful conductor, a thousand times more powerful, a thousand times superior to others, than the virile member (the “Iod”) and the vulva (the “He”) as receptive (Ratzon-l-Kabel) organs.

"If many people practice this, they will spread force and success in their surroundings for all those who come into commercial or social contact with them. But in the act of sublime, divine magnetization to which we are referring, both man and woman reciprocally magnetize each other, the one being for the other as a musical instrument which, when plucked, gives off or emits prodigious sounds of mysterious and sweet harmonies. The strings of that instrument are spread all over the body, and it is the lips and fingers that make them vibrate, if the utmost purity presides over the act. This is what makes us Magicians in that supreme moment." - Dr. Krumm-Heller






For those who are intrested here is one of the better articles about the O.T.O. sex magick system, it's developments, and it's relation to eastern sex magick.

www.esoteric.msu.edu...

(This is a peer-reviewed academic journal about western esotericism)





Thanks.

I'll take a look.





[edit on 7-9-2006 by Tamahu]



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
In this symbol (Silvio Berlusconi incidentally has it mown into his lawn) the Kundalini serpent has the man in his jaws and the power has made a King of the man. The Red cross symbolises the sun as in 'solar enlightenment', because the 'sun' is at the heart of every vibration of life on this planet.
[edit on 14-8-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]


Kundalini is the delivery of sexual power re: soul power to the draco lizards in return for favour amongst the illumined.

The sun is a life giver of the physical and a portal for the etheric/universal.

The man in the jaws of the serpent is his servant and rewarded as such on this physical plane but he is a slave.

Kundalini is a low level observance one that favours the dark side, one must move higher beyond and join the higher centers to the light.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 04:50 PM
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Please, don't confuse the Divine Mother with Satan.



The Kundalini is the spouse of the Holy Spirit, Chastity.

The Tail of Satan is the Kundartiguador organ awakened through lust and fornication.






Kundalini, Tantra and Sexuality


It is necessary to attain the most absolute Sanctity and the most terrific Chastity to acquire the development, progress and Evolution of the Kundalini. - from Kundalini Yoga: The Mysteries of the Fire by Samael Aun Weor


Sanctity: moral purity. While we have anger, lust, Fear, pride, envy, jealousy, resentment, self-love, self-hatred, etc., we are not sanctified. We need to eliminate all of our psychological Defects.

Chastity: pure and clean sexuality, without animal lust or Desire. This term is incorrectly used (like "Celibacy") to mean "without sexuality."

Kundalini: "Kundalini is a compound Word: Kunda reminds us of the abominable "Kundabuffer organ," and lini is an Atlantean term meaning termination. Kundalini means "the termination of the abominable Kundabuffer organ." In this case, it is imperative not to confuse Kundalini with Kundabuffer." - The Great Rebellion


These two forces, one positive and ascending, and one negative and descending, are symbolized in the Bible in the Book of Numbers (the story of the Serpent of Brass). The Kundalini is "The power of life."- from the Theosophical Glossary. The Sexual Fire that is at the base of all life.


"The ascent of the Kundalini along the spinal cord is achieved very slowly in accordance with the merits of the heart. The Fires of the heart control the miraculous development of the Sacred Serpent. Devi Kundalini is not something mechanical as many suppose; the Igneous Serpent is only awakened with genuine Love between husband and wife, and it will never rise up along the medullar canal of adulterers."- The Mystery of the Golden Blossom


The Ninth Sphere


Many pseudo-esoterists have committed unspeakable genocides. When fear-mongers act against the Kundalini, indeed it is a true genocide. It is an indescribable crime against humanity to tell people in published books that the awakening of the Kundalini is dangerous. Those who spread fear against the Kundalini are worse than war criminals. The latter committed crimes against people, however, the pseudo-esoterists who spread fear commit crimes against the Soul.

Whosoever does not awaken the Kundalini cannot incarnate his Soul. Whosoever does not awaken his Kundalini remains without Soul; he loses his Soul.

It is false to state that the Kundalini can awaken without moral progress, and due to this, one must wait until such progress is made. The development of the Kundalini is controlled by the merits of the heart.


We give concrete instructions about the Kundalini and every true Serpentine Culture knows the path in depth.








It is false to state that the Kundalini may flow through different channels when white Sexual Magic is practised. It is only when black sexual magic is practised that the Kundalini descends to the Atomic Infernos of the Human Being and becomes the Tail of Satan. Therefore, that absurd affirmation of the fear mongers that the Kundalini can leave the medullar canal, tear tissue, produce terrible pains and cause death, is false.

These affirmations of the assassins of Souls are false because each of the Seven Serpents has its specialised Masters who watch over the student. The student is not abandoned in the work. When the student awakens the first Serpent, he is attended by a specialist and when the second Serpent is awakened, he is helped by another and so on. These specialists take the Serpent through the medullar canal. No student is abandoned. The specialists have to answer for the student. The specialists live in the Astral world.

The Kundalini awakens negatively only when the Semen is spilled. Whosoever practises Sexual Magic without spilling the semen has nothing to fear.

Nobody can actualize the superior aspects of the Kundalini without perfect sanctity. It is then false to say that there are disastrous possibilities in the premature actualization of the Kundalini. This affirmation is false because the premature actualization of Fire cannot occur. The Kundalini can only be actualised based on sanctification. The Kundalini does not rise even one vertebra if the conditions of sanctity required for that vertebra have not been conquered. Each vertebra has its moral conditions of sanctity.

It is false and stupid to say that the Kundalini can awaken ambition or pride, or intensify all of the coarse qualities and animal passions of the animal Ego. Whosoever uses these fear mongering tactics to keep students from the real path is truly an ignorant, because the Kundalini awakened with white Sexual Magic cannot progress even one degree when true sanctity does not exist.

The Kundalini is not a blind force. The Kundalini is not a mechanical force. The Kundalini is controlled by the fires of the heart and can only be developed based on Sexual Magic and sanctity...



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Tamahu

It is false and stupid to say that the Kundalini can awaken ambition or pride, or intensify all of the coarse qualities and animal passions of the animal Ego. Whosoever uses these fear mongering tactics to keep students from the real path is truly an ignorant, because the Kundalini awakened with white Sexual Magic cannot progress even one degree when true sanctity does not exist.

The Kundalini is not a blind force. The Kundalini is not a mechanical force. The Kundalini is controlled by the fires of the heart and can only be developed based on Sexual Magic and sanctity


Tamahu, I know you were quoting another writer, but I must take exception with the above. Kundalini is indeed a "blind force", which makes it "demonic". Of course, the alchemical process transmutes Satan into Lucifer, but the Tempter (i.e., Ego) is there throughout the entire process.

After many years, I have come to the conclusion, along with most others who practice, that there is no such thing as "white" and "black" magic, at least not in the actual sense. All true Magick must be "white" by definition (defining Magick as the Science of the Magi). Anything else is illusion, samsara.

Concerning the dangers of raising the Kundalini by those unprepared through initiation and ordeal, I will here point to the Sacred Writings of the Hebrews concerning it (Job, Chapter 41, King James Version):

1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?

2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?

3 Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?

4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?

5 Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?

6 Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?

7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his . with fish spears?

8 Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.

9 Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?

10 None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?

11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.

12 I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.

13 Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?

14 Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.

15 His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.

16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.

17 They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.

18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.

19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.

20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.

21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

22 In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.

23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.

24 His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.

25 When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves.

26 The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.

27 He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood.

28 The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble.

29 Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.

30 Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.

31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.

32 He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.

33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.

34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 08:54 AM
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Crowley lived for a while in the house and was a pupil of Allan Bennett (around 1899 I think). Before travelling to Ceylon and embracing Buddhism I am told Bennett wrote a couple of essays related to the Qabalah.
Does anybody know the titles or publishers?



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Belinquest
Crowley lived for a while in the house and was a pupil of Allan Bennett (around 1899 I think). Before travelling to Ceylon and embracing Buddhism I am told Bennett wrote a couple of essays related to the Qabalah.
Does anybody know the titles or publishers?


If I'm not mistaken, Crowley published several of them in the various volumes of The Equinox.



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 09:21 AM
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Thanks,Masonic Light, I will have a look in the Equinox..

With regards to your statement :

"After many years, I have come to the conclusion, along with most others who practice, that there is no such thing as "white" and "black" magic, at least not in the actual sense. All true Magick must be "white" by definition (defining Magick as the Science of the Magi). Anything else is illusion, samsara".

I agree with what you say there, I too am convinced that the knowledge required for so called Black or White Magick is identical, although an individual can choose which path to tread.



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 04:11 PM
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We are all black magicians. For every negative thought and emotion we have, every time we judge another person using the carnal mind, we prove to be having some effect. All evil can be turned into good and good turned into evil but with every negative thought or unclean emotion, and every desire that is not in pure reasoning or love, we project it subcosciouly to another human being or an object. This projection can have an effect on the other person, particularly if the other person is vibrating at a similar frequency but not if they are resonating at a higher vibration, it has little effect generally speaking, unless other pacts are made.

But on this forum, we are researching historical figures who are not necessarily the norm. Yes, only SOME are actively attempting to become awakened within this darkness and were striving to accomplish evil and this is why there has been some differentiation. Those who do evil are often considering it temporal to fufill a greater good. But is this not the very same problem we deal with nowadays?

To label all people who make mistakes black adepts is foolish but it is equally foolish to assume that simply because magic is considered neither good or evil, it does not matter - it does! The human egoism is not necessarily able to always know when a good intention, is a truly good intention, for as I mentioned already even the best of intentions can turn into a force for evil.

ML,

Thank you for your reponses and I will respond back to you just as soon as possible.


[edit on 8-9-2006 by Cinosamitna]



posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 12:42 AM
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This stuff is very Interesting! So what it basically comes down to is Sex. Whether it is done as a Sacred & Spiritual Act (Love) - or whether it is merely done out of Carnality! There certainly is a difference & I can see how you can Channel Positive or Negative Energy this way - to be used for either Benevolent or Malevolent purposes. I guess that is what defines & separates a White Tantric Magician from a Black "Carnal Lust" Magician!


Cug

posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
I guess that is what defines & separates a White Tantric Magician from a Black "Carnal Lust" Magician!


Nope that's not it. In this case Crowley mentions in Of the Secret Marrages of Gods and Men (the VII* instructions) that once you know the secret you can no longer approach sex in a casual way.

In the discussion here the main difference is the orgasm and more to the point, the emission of semen.



posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 11:50 AM
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OK Cug - I was just speaking generally - But if you want to get into the specifics of Ritual then go right a.!


Cug

posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 12:13 PM
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Well your statement really doesn't even work generally.

If you want to be general then it's a what I do is white magick, and if you don't do it like me it's black magick and your worthy for contempt. This tunnel vision is unfortunately not restricted to just this subject. Man has always fallen for this trap.

If you're not part of my political party you're wrong
If you're not part of my religion you're wrong
If you don't like the movies I like you're wrong
If you don't like my favorite sports team you're wrong

and etc...



posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 05:18 PM
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Edited again:




Originally posted by Masonic Light
Tamahu, I know you were quoting another writer, but I must take exception with the above. Kundalini is indeed a "blind force", which makes it "demonic". Of course, the alchemical process transmutes Satan into Lucifer, but the Tempter (i.e., Ego) is there throughout the entire process.




No, the awakening of the Kundalini is the result of the Transmutation process(of course, one who has raised the Kundalini a few degrees, still has untransmuted sexual energy left(desire) which still needs to be Transmuted into Kundalini).

It is impossible to awaken the Kundalini in a damaging way, because the awakening of Kundalini is in itself healing.

Awakening the Kundartiguador/Kundabuffer or Tempting Serpent/Apep is the only way we can damage our souls, minds or bodies.




Kundabuffer


Perform a search for "kundabuffer" to find some matches that may help you. I can help you with some of your questions.

Samael, the genie in your sexual organs, is a 'blind god'. He is the blind fohatic force. By blind, we mean that he will transform you into an Angel or a Demon. That fire is directed by Will. There are two fundamental types of will: Christ Will and Ego Will. Christ Will is the sacrifice of the self in order to sustain the becoming of the logoic harmony. Ego Will is the sacrifice of harmony in order to sustain the ego.

In other words, you cannot have happiness without the freedom of will. The freedom of will allows for the for the intelligence-fire to directed in either direction.



Samael is related to both Mars and the Sun, if you look at the Gnostic Kabbalah poster.



HERUKHUTI





Herukhuti, also called Heru-Behutet, is the divine principle that safeguards our existence from the injustices of others. It works sternly through the law that states that you reap what you sow. Be consistent in being just with others, and you will be spiritually protected by this divine power.

Its aggressive power is also the foundation of the temperament of natural athletes, warriors, business executives, and so on.

In the Kamitic tradition, it is the form in which Heru fights against Set in order to regain the throne (control over one’s life) that the latter usurped. The seeming contradiction that arises from considering Heru-Behutet “a form of Heru” is cleared up when we realize that ultimately there is only one Deity in the world, with different faculties. While Heru corresponds to the steady supply of noradrenalin that enables us to carry out all activities of externalization, Herukhuti (Heru-Behutet) corresponds to the extreme surges of adrenalin that support our aggressive, sexual arousal and immune responses.




© Ra Un Nefer Amen





What the Gnostic teachings are saying, is that The Kundalini will only awaken in the Just ones, according to the merits of the Heart; meaning that if one is Transmuting, Meditating, performing good deeds, self-observing and remembering their Being or Inner God from moment-to-moment, then there is nothing to worry about.

If we are not doing these things and are performing harmful actions and fornications, then the Kundalini will not rise even a single vertabrae; the Kundabuffer will awaken.




Concerning the dangers of raising the Kundalini by those unprepared through initiation and ordeal, I will here point to the Sacred Writings of the Hebrews concerning it (Job, Chapter 41, King James Version):




It may seem to be a matter of semantics, but I think it is important to make a distinction between the Bronze Serpent that Healed the Israelites in the Wilderness and the Tail of Satan.

Those unprepared who choose to play with Fire, can only burn themselves with the Satanic atoms of fornication, not with the Christic atoms of the Kundalini.

Because as I've said, it is not the Kundalini that can cause harm; it is only when the Fohatic Force is utilized negatively that it descends into the atomic infernos of man as the Tail of Satan/Apep.

Kundalini can only be awakened if we're living in Brahmacharya.

Fornicators can not awaken it.

Even an uncontrolled explosion of anger is enough to break Brahmacharya and cause the Mother Serpent to descend.




After many years, I have come to the conclusion, along with most others who practice, that there is no such thing as "white" and "black" magic, at least not in the actual sense. All true Magick must be "white" by definition (defining Magick as the Science of the Magi). Anything else is illusion, samsara.




Fair enough.

But at the same time, the usage of the term "Black Magic" is simply to point out that although Magic in itself is not Black or White, the way in which it is directed is what designates it as one or the other.

Are you saying that Goetia(art of manipulating demons for selfish ends) is not Magic at all?

Semantics.

We could call it "Black Magic", or we could say that it is not true Magic; but either way we're pointing at the same thing.


In the authentic Tibetan tradition, the terms white karmic acts and black karmic acts are actually used.

You've mentioned that "Black Magic" is a profane term, but I'll say that the true Tibetan Adepts that use the terms 'white and black karmic-acts' are much more Adept than most of these Western authors who write about "there's no such thing as Black Magic".

Are you saying that Eliphas Levi, H.P. Blavatsky, Manly P. Hall(who spoke against Black magic) were profane?


In Dzogchen, for example; from the Ultimate View there is neither good or bad, white or black, this or that, etc.




"In the mind of Samantabhadra,
Experience called "present" or "absent" is erroneous.
That one excludes not the other is the ultimate excellence,
Clarified without effort, neither ascertained nor conceived." - Gal mDo Tshal Ma




"The Great Completeness, distillation of the Essence,
Is not ascertained as one, it is many.
Not being many, it dwells as one.
The seperation of one and many does not exist.
Even its nonexistence is beyond saying "nonexistence."
And this very convention of saying "beyond"
Was never mentioned by Shenrab." - Gal mDo Tshal Ma




However, even though from the Ultimate View there is nothing to practice, nothing to do or not do, etc.; most of us are NOT in the non-dual state of the Ultimate View. Well, actually we are; but it is that most of us do not have full cognizance of it, and is why beginning Dzogchen practitioners are still instructed in preliminary practices such as Shamatha and Vipassana practices(Zhine), Ngondro, Vajrassatva purifactions, Trekcho and Togel, etc.

And from reading some of what certain "Magicians" have wrote regarding there not being a such thing as Black Magic, one can see full-well that they're not Consciously coming from the Ultimate or Complete View.



The superior practitioner, whether master or disciple, has the greatest capacity to deal with actions of body, voice and mind from the absolute view in which there is neither samsara nor nirvana but complete emptiness. It is like acting in dreams where there is neither death nor the fear of death. This view is beyond all limits, so all actions are good. As nobody in the dualistic condition is free of limitations, it is important not to judge others' limitations but rather to try to see our own, and particularly to see them according to this fianl view.

However, if we try to act according to this view before we are ready, we will become confused because we are still limited and yet attempting to act from the final view, This merely extends the dimension of our own limitations instead of being a way of definitively escaping from the fundamental limitation(Ignorance). - Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche



As Cinosamitna said, most of all of our personalities are Black Magicians.

The only way for us to stop existing as Black Magicians, is for the ego to die and for us to Build the Solar Bodies as instruments for the Christ to express itself through our personalities.





Cosmic Teachings of a Lama


“YON-GRUB”, radical perfection, is never the outcome of the evolving mechanics.

Revolution of the Consciousness is another thing. However, this is an unpleasant thing for everybody… You know this…

Jesus, the Great Kabir stated:

If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. - Matthew 16: 24

To deny himself signifies to dissolve the Pluralized ‘I’. To take up the cross, which by itself is one hundred percent phallic, factually signifies sexual crossing, to work in the Flaming Forge of Vulcan with the evident purpose of achieving the Second Birth. To follow the Intimate Christ signifies Sacrifice, to be willing to give even the last drop of blood for this Suffering humanity. So, the end of a Mahamanvantara does not include the Intimate Self-realization of all creatures. Therefore, while holding my hand over my heart, I can tell you that it is very difficult to find Self-realized people.

We, all of the human bipeds are more or less demons. To stop being demons, to convert ourselves into something different, distinct, is something that corresponds to the Mysteries.

Nevertheless, why would something be given to people that they do not want, if they, the multitudes, are happy with the way they are, if they do not wish to be different? Therefore, neither the evolving mechanics, nor even the twilight of the Mahamanvantara could compel them to be distinct. The radical change, the Intimate Self-realization is the outcome of a series of frightful super-efforts performed on and inside ourselves here and now. Therefore, to achieve a radical change, a definitive transformation is only possible based on tremendous self efforts. It would be an absurdity to even suppose for a moment that the change in depth, the authentic interior Self-realization could be the outcome of an involuntary and mechanical way, as the fanatics of the Dogma of Evolution think. While a human being does not achieve the state of Anupadaka, it is absolutely impossible for him to experience the nature of Paranirvana. The true nature of Paranirvana was publicly taught up until the days of the Yogacharya school. However, since then, this Doctrine was kept in secret, since it is ostensible that the rational homunculi are not prepared in order to comprehend it.





Dualism is not overcome by ignoring it, as many Westerners are lead to believe.


We need the Science of the Knowledge of the Tree of Good and Evil(Daath) in order to COMPREHEND dualism.


This is why it so important to not spill the semen, so that the Kundalini can Awaken.




Lucifer: Details


From a Buddhist perspective, there are two perspectives which are like two trees that share the same roots. To explain it Kabbalistically, we can say that the true nature of a thing is the Ain Soph, which transcends duality, the perceiver and perceived etc. That is the Seity. On the other hand, under the Absolute, within the created and manifested universe, duality is the seed of everything that seems to exist. The problem occurs when you don't understand both of these perspectives. If you forget about the Seity, then you believe that everything is happening and occuring as it seems to be happening according to your so-called awareness--this is the root ignorance and this is why the ego becomes identified. On the other hand, if we were to think that there isn't relative existence and that dualism is a lie, then we ignore the understanding of the mechanics of the manifested universe (which leads again into delusion) and therefore could not ever attain liberation from the mechanics of this universe. Therefore, in order to be liberated or above Good and Evil, you must have the Knowledge of Good and Evil.


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posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 05:53 PM
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Regarding the Kundalini..., the words of a certain Gnostic instructor are of the most sane words I've ever heard regarding it.





KUNDALINI


There are many cases investigated by the likes of Carl Jung, there are books by Gopi Krishna, an Indian man who claimed no spiritual work but supposed had his kundalini awakened all of the sudden, etc etc There are thousands who claim to have awakened the kundalini - none are verifiable, none are consistent, none are in alignment with the teachings of White Tantrism.

In some cases, the person is experiencing shocks or vibrations in the spine due to nervous damage from psychological problems. This can result in hallucinations (supposed spiritual experiences), etc.

Some people perform pranayamas or meditation and experience "sparks" which they interpret as the awakening of the Kundalini.

Some people create a "psychosomatic" awakening: i.e they imagine it.

In some cases, the person is experiencing the awakening of the Kundabuffer, which, due to the degeneration of the psyche, may be felt or experienced and interpreted as the kundalini, but it is not.

We all know very well that the Kundalini only awakens with moral purity, sanctity in the marriage of man and woman, and the successful completion of the required ordeals. It can never awaken mechanically, by meditation, by accident, because of dharma, because of pranayama, because of hatha yoga, because of diet, what country we live in, what religion we subscribe to, what books we read, we mantras we use, whether we wear our hair long or short, or sit on a pole for 15 years, etc. None of these things have any impact on the awakening of the Kundalini.

A traitor, one who betrays his guru, can never awaken the kundalini.

A fornicator cannot awaken the kundalini.

A single person (without a marriage) cannot awaken the kundalini.

Those confused people who claim to have the Kundalini awakened are very confused, because the ones who have it, earned it through conscious works and voluntary sufferings, at a high price, and they know very well what they have and how they got it, and they can never be the fruity flighty flaky spiritualists that are so common nowadays.

To awaken the kundalini, one must have PSYCHOLOGICAL EQUILIBRIUM.

This is not easy to achieve.






This is important to remember.


Most of the books on the subject are obviously not written based on direct experience.









[edit on 10-9-2006 by Tamahu]



posted on Oct, 2 2006 @ 07:11 AM
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greetings all. I have been following this forum over the past few days with much interest. I was wondering if anyone would like to comment on the following Sikh interpretation of Kundalini which appears to lean toward bhakti yoga as the most important

'Gurbani does not dwell upon this subject because, rising of Kundalini is a manifestation of enlightenment, while, enlightenment is not a result of raising the Kundalini. Producing a symptom artificially does not lead to a particular condition. The same way, Kundalini cannot be raised to the Sahasrara (the highest) Chakra without enlightenment. Gurbani does not place the cart before the horse. A Sikh, therefore, seeks enlightenment rather than being busy raising the Kundalini. This is discussed at the end of "Sidh Gosht" (SGGS 944-6). We could say that the Sikh way of raising the Kundalini is the "pull" method (Kundalini rising naturally through pull of Gurbani) rather than the "push" method (desperate personal efforts) of a Yogi.

Kundalini is simply a way of describing the phenomena that occur in the body and, at the finer energy levels during our spiritual advancement. Even though certain exercises may help concentrate the energy in Sushumna, doing so by itself can not lead to enlightenment and the ultimate aim of Yoga is not fulfilled (SGGS 946:5). In fact energy directed to higher Chakras without proper direction and Bhakti under the guidance of Guru, leads to erratic and sometimes disastrous consequences. For instance, the earliest consequence of rising Kundalini would be intensified desire for sex, to release the pent-up energy. If Bhakti is not strong enough to subdue this urge for the higher aim, you can imagine how far one can advance spiritually.

A fruit that is ripened slowly and naturally, on the branch is much sweeter than the one that is plucked early and forced to ripen artificially (SGGS 1109:2). The same way, when Prana is controlled and channeled properly as a natural consequence of Naam Simran and following Guru's teaching, the results are much sweeter. This is one reason that Guru Ji did not dwell upon controlling the Prana. As stated in the beginning, Kundalini rises spontaneously when we are in Sat Sangat. The animal desires are controlled easier through Sat Sangat also, and this results is success.

A common problem is that we do not know how to be in Sat Sangat. Mere sitting in a Gurudwara or Singing Gurbani is not Sat Sangat. We believe, and we claim a lot based upon what Gurbani says about the greatness of Sat Sangat, but this activity has little influence upon us. We have very little to show and to prove, the benefits and an uplifting of our own personality by Sat Sangat. This shows that something is missing. We need to learn how to be in Sat Sangat.

Humbly
Yuktanand Singh '



posted on Oct, 2 2006 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by nosfastus

A fruit that is ripened slowly and naturally, on the branch is much sweeter than the one that is plucked early and forced to ripen artificially (SGGS 1109:2). The same way, when Prana is controlled and channeled properly as a natural consequence of Naam Simran and following Guru's teaching, the results are much sweeter. This is one reason that Guru Ji did not dwell upon controlling the Prana. As stated in the beginning, Kundalini rises spontaneously when we are in Sat Sangat. The animal desires are controlled easier through Sat Sangat also, and this results is success.

Humbly
Yuktanand Singh '


Very nice post, nosfastus, never came across a Sikh's point of view. I wish I could identify better with some of the terms you use but it is like learning another language..



posted on Oct, 2 2006 @ 08:12 PM
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Greetings nosfastus



I'd like to address some of the points you've made here, in regard to reconciling the Sikh doctrine with that of the various Yogas(Bhakti, Dhyana, Jnana, Karma, Kundalini, Kriya, Charya, Anuttara, Maha, Anu, Ati, etc.) and the Gnosis of Kundalini I've posted about in this thread.




This is what the Gnostic Master Samael Aun Weor has said regarding the Sikh Religion:





"Nanak, the founding Master of the Sikh Religion in the sacred land of the Vedas, taught the path of the Heart. Nanak taught fraternity among all Religions, Schools, sects, etc.

When we attack all Religions or any Religion in particular, we commit the crime of violating the Law of the Heart. In the Heart Temple, there is a place for all religions, sects, orders, etc. All Religions are precious pearls strung on the golden thread of the Divinity.

Our Gnostic Movement is made up by people of all religions, schools, sects, spiritual societies, etc.

In the Heart Temple there is place for all religions, for all worships.

Jesus said: “In loving one another thou shalt prove that thou art my disciples.”

The Sikh Scriptures, like those of every religion, are really ineffable."


- The Esoteric Treatise of Hermetic Astrology






Though I'll have to address this at a later date...




Regards



posted on Oct, 4 2006 @ 04:38 PM
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Sorry but after seeing these two pictures I can't take anything Crowley wrote/said seriously

www.sotvl.org...
www.illuminati-news.com...

In my opinion hes just another crazy, intelligent guy who created some religion/teachings out of his ... in order to gain fame/recognition. Every generation has plenty of these lunatics.




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