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reply posted on 29-6-2006 @ 02:40 AM by ronishia
came up with some info if u intrested

Aleister Crowley was a self-proclaimed drug and sex "fiend," a mostly self-published author of books on the occult and magick. a poet and mountaineer, and a leader of a group called Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) whose tenets are detailed in one of his many writings, The Book of the Law.


Crowley claimed to identify himself with the Great Beast 666 (from the Book of Revelation) and enjoyed the appellation of "wickedest man in the world." Crowley inherited a fortune and worked hard at being strange. He was especially alluring to dysfunctional women (Gardner 1992:198).


As a child, his constant rebellious behaviour displeased his devout mother to such an extent she would chastise him by calling him "The Beast" (from the Book of Revelation), an epithet that Crowley would later happily adopt for himself. He objected to the labelling of what he saw as life's most worthwhile and enjoyable activities as "sinful

His three years at Cambridge were happy ones, due in part to coming into the considerable fortune left by his father. Throughout this period he maintained a vigorous sex life, which was largely conducted with prostitutes and girls he picked up at local pubs and cigar shops, but extending into homosexual activities in which he played a passive role


Crowley's magical and initiatory system has amongst its innermost reaches a set of teachings on sex "magick." He frequently expressed views about sex that were radical for his time, and published numerous poems and tracts combining pagan religious themes with sexual imagery both heterosexual and homosexual, as well as pederastic. One of his most notorious poetry collections, entitled White Stains (1898), was published in Amsterdam in 1898 and dealt specifically with sexually explicit subject matter. However, most of the hundred copies printed for the initial release were later seized and destroyed by British customs


through time he has been considered a racist and habitual drug user as well. he has achieved alot in the time he was alive, and wasnt really considered as normal by some people.
just do a search on the name and on Thelema there is a lot of info out there.


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reply posted on 29-6-2006 @ 07:35 AM by Masonic Light
Originally posted by umwolves123
ok i know this is kinda a stupid question but What exactly did Crowley do that was soo bad?


He challenged people to think for themselves and to deny ignorance. Most people, of course, have a deathly fear of actually having to think for themselves, which made Crowley an easy target.

I know he was a member of Golden Dawn, a number of witch covens,


Golden Dawn yes, witch covens no. Although he certainly had a large influence on Gerald Gardner, the founder of modern Wicca.

a clandestine mason, and a big sexual deviant, however...what kind of sexual things made him so bad? was he a child molester or something?


Crowley's writings often contain some rather bizarre themes. The problem with people who call Crowley a "deviant" is that they always want to take him too seriously. Personally, I find him refreshing. Most occult writers throughout history (Agrippa, Barrett, Pike, Waite, etc.) are rather stodgy and scholastic, while Crowley had a wild sense of humor. Anton Szandor LaVey pointed out that Crowley spent most of his writing career with his tongue planted firmly in his cheek (although, of course, the same could be said of LaVey).

An example of Crowley's "deviant wit" can be found in his commentaries to Liber AL, when he describes the inherent divinity of sex. He informs us that the act, if in accordance with True Will, is always holy, whether it's the Spirit and Mary or "the Pennsylvanian with his pig". Obviously, Crowley is not advocating bestiality, but is simply cracking a ridiculous joke.

what kind of sex magic did he get involved in?


The big secret of the O.T.O. is found in its IX°, technically styled the "Sanctuary of the Gnosis". This O.T.O. degree contains the primary instructions for their sex magical techniques. If you'd like more information about it, send me a U2U. It may be of interest to note that this big "secret" is plainly hinted at in the O.T.O.'s public religious celebration, the Gnostic Mass.


reply posted on 29-6-2006 @ 07:45 AM by Legalizer
Crowely was declared "Wickedest man alive" by English Tabloids, so that title is meaningless.

He promoted himself as the Great Beast 666, but that title is just ego, and meaningless.

His ideals about sexuality, drugs, and occultism all violate the anal retentive religious ideals of society, and thus if they even know or hear of him, they think he's awful.

He wrote/published some 800 books,he liked to hear himself talk basically.

He was instrumental in reviving interest in the occult and is a central figure of modern occultism, obviously not something mainstream society digs.

Supposedly he drove one of his lackies to suicide "with magick", but that is rubbish, his buddy was of a weak mind and would have found a good reason to off himself anyway.

Beyond all that Crowley and his supposed evilness is very much a romanticized fiction.
He was just a man, a well educated and literate man.

There were plenty of truly evil men in his lifetime, Hitler and his gang, Stalin, Franco, the Walker/Bush Family, Harry Anslinger, the Duponts, Randolph Hearst, the Rockfellers, etc.

Who can compare Aleister Crowley's introduction of revisionist occultism with Oppeheimer's Bombs? Certainly Crowley's magick never killed tens of thousands in a flash.


He had some very valid predictions, like the increase of bisexuality/homosexuality worldwide in this past century. Some other stuff too, he's not easy reading, Being british and full of himself.

Good old Uncle Al. He was an interesting character but certainly low on the list of "Wickedest men alive".


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reply posted on 29-6-2006 @ 08:05 AM by Cug
Originally posted by chemlabco
I guess one think bad is when he went mountain climbing and a mate needed help he didn't go to his aid and that mate did fall and die.


This is a good place to jump in as any. Much of the "bad" info about Crowley stems from the press. Well press is stretching it as they had the journalistic integrity of our weekly world news. The popular account of this story has Crowley ignoring their cries of help while sipping tea in his tent and that is really exaggerating the truth more than a bit.

What happened during his attempt of climbing Kangchenjunga (the third highest mountain) in 1905 was one of his team wanted to go back, but Crowley told him it was not safe and to wait till morning, and that "he would be dead in 10 minutes" if he tried. Well he tried and a half hour later they heard some screams. By this time it was dark and it was unsafe to attempt any sort of rescue. They set off at first light and discovered the bodies and ended the expedition.

A few years before in 1902 when Crowley attempted to climb K2 (the second highest) Crowley basically saved the life of a man suffering from pulmonary edema, but no one talks about that.

BTW while double checking the years I ran across this page about K2.
www.k2climb.net...
Like many reports on Crowley they just had to add a bit of fiction to make him seem more evil/weird.


At one point he became convinced his wife was a bat, Crowley forced her to sleep tied upside down in a closet at nights.


I mean come on!
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