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Originally posted by FlyersFan
A festival celebrating Islam is scheduled for London on 7/7.
Source
Tariq Ramadan advocates that Muslims living in the West should not view themselves as foreigners or temporary residents of their countries, but rather as full citizens with full rights and responsibilities. In some respects, he argues for integration and not alienation from the surrounding society. Indeed, the main theme of his book, To Be a European Muslim attempts to bridge the gap between being a Muslim and being European.
He also advocates that immigrant parents not confuse culture with religion. So, Muslims born in Western countries should adopt the tastes and cultural norms of their country, and not those of their parents' homeland.
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From 2000 to 2002, Tariq Ramadan was frequently lauded in Western media as a Muslim reformer, and even dubbed the Muslim "Martin Luther" by Paul Donnelly of the Washington Post
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On the first anniversary of the 7 July attacks in London, Islamists in Britain will hold a seminar in Birmingham followed by a press conference in the capital on Monday 3 July.
You might have liked to point out it starts on the
6th of July going on through to the 9th of July
featuring a cast of radical Islamic superstars
such claims are groundless
the U.S. has stopped him from entering the country,
however they have never given a reason
I find that article more insulting to those who died
unless the BBC is now supporting Radical Islam?
How can they on the 3rd of July do something,
after the conference which is on the 7th?
In fact, things such as this can help.
and to go as far as to intermix two different events.
Why not go there? Why not buy the books?
You are free to disagree. However, the facts and bios are there. islamexpo.info... YOU may not consider those doing the speaking to be radical, but others do.
Simple - because that day isn't for THEM. It's for the families and for the dead. It's for the victims. It's NOT for learning about the religion of those who did the mass murdering and who have promised to continue to mass murder.
One who advocates fundamental or revolutionary changes in current practices, conditions, or institutions.
I'm sure that those who died are more likely to be insulted that their city and their mayor are holding and participating in an Islamic Festival and that another conference is scheduled for that day.
you quote of people are using this thread to insult others, well i think you just made a good job of that.
Instead people have used this thread to insult people, use websites that provide no evidence and to attack individuals. Clear people that have not bothered to read what these people have written
Well why did it happen? what would you say to the families who have been left without loved ones (black or white /mulim or christian) go read a book they didnt mean it???
BY the way have you read the Qur'an? or hadith?
Nicolas Sarkozy, then the French Minister of the Interior, publicly accused him of this in a televised debate. His beliefs that Muslim youth should remain within their own religious community (especially for personal and marital relations) has been criticized as segregationist, and at odds with the integrationist beliefs he has stated elsewhere, and also to his marriage to a woman who was originally non-Muslim[citation needed]. His refusal[citation needed], until April 2005, to condemn stoning for sharia crimes was also an issue.[citation needed]
Other charges levelled against him in the French media are that he is sexist and a reactionary Islamist.[citation needed] More fundamentally, his attitude toward European legal and democratic institutions is dubious[citation needed] at best because of his insistence that Muslims should literally respect the Qur'an and sharia, and that there would be no incompatibility between those and the secular democratic society[citation needed]. This conflict is nevertheless quite explicitly recognised by the European Court of Human Rights, which said that "The Court concurs...that sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy[citation needed]" (13/02/2003).
This was at a time of tension between French secularists and officials and Muslims over the hijab ban issue, and increasing anti-Jewish and anti-Christian activities by Muslim youth[citation needed].
Other French intellectuals and politicians accused Tariq Ramadan of being anti-Semitic[citation needed],
Originally posted by spymaster
What about Theo Van gough? his freedom of expression and life was taken away from him just because he dared to tell a side of islam that the maniacs dont want the rest of the world to see how the Qu'ran treats women?
Originally posted by spymaster
Hello Sminkeypinkey how have you been..good i hope?
anyway i knew it wouldnt take you long to 'sniff' this one out hehehehe?
Re :the London mosque
its history began quite differently, as a "gift" wrung out after decades of pressure from Winston Churchill's war cabinet to its Muslim fellow−citizens. Although Muslims represented numerically the largest confessional community in the British Empire, and though Muslim soldiers lost their lives in a correspondingly large number, there was nowhere in London for Muslims to congregate.
In 1944, a Mosque committee formed from diplomats from Islamic countries and Muslim Britons took over the land at the Hanover Gate end of Regent's Park that had been offered to them by the government for the erection of an Islamic centre
But even you sminkey would understand that this is a very sensitive date for all concerned and to hold a rally/march/festival whatever you want to call it is in-appropriate.
What about Theo Van gough? his freedom of expression and life was taken away from him just because he dared to tell a side of islam that the maniacs dont want the rest of the world to see how the Qu'ran treats women?
What about the Danish newspaper cartoons? Freedom of expression!
What about the De Vinci code..shall we all go and riot?
Shall we march thru London with banners held high saying that we will kill all who say anything bad about Christ or christians.........
Come on Sminkey this Freedom of speech / expression CANNOT all be one sided
lets face the facts, you have seen it all in NI (if i remember right) allthough both sides were right and wrong in what they wanted and how they aimed to achieve this, but at least both sides were heard.!
all the best mate
SAY NO TO THE EURO sorry sminkey had to get that in mate (no offense)
Originally posted by Odium
I have paid attention to what he has written and I found it laughable.
Originally posted by Odium
If as you claim or seem to make out, Islam is this Dark Force -
one that is set out upon killing innocent not Muslims or converting them.
To make sure the event does not happen again and one way
to do that is to increase our understanding and trust between different groups.
I am struggling to find much of a difference between you and
many of these people who hate Western Society so much.
I stand by my opinion. To have two Islamic conferences; one of which is FOR SURE radical and the other 'festival' is at least questionable; on the
7/7 date is insulting to the families and the victims. It was poor judgement
on the part of the mayor to agree to be a part of it.
As I said - if this was to 'take back the date' in some way, then it would
be fine. But I don't see any evidence of that. There isn't even a rememberance for the victims. The MAYOR shouldn't be participating in this. If it were
on other dates - that would be open for debate but NOT with a festival that is on 7/7.
Originally posted by Odium
spymaster, your posts make no sense. You need to split it up in a way which shows what you are saying and the parts, which you have just lifted off of other websites by other people.
However, I'll lift the bits I can work out are questions and then answer them for you.
you quote of people are using this thread to insult others, well i think you just made a good job of that.
Instead people have used this thread to insult people, use websites that provide no evidence and to attack individuals. Clear people that have not bothered to read what these people have written
However, where did I tell the victims to go read a book?[quote/]
You didnt! but were quiet happy to tell flyersfan to read up, it was me being SARCASTIC
Clearly, you are not the spymaster. You decided not to alert anyone to a very important aspect. All of those criticisms, except ONE has no reference. In fact, anyone could have wrote that and until they find the citation then...well really what point is there in posting it?[quote/]
No i am not the spymaster tut tut dont be silly!!!
You was the person that quoted wikipedia but only felt it right to include the bits you wanted everyone to read.. i just filled in the gaps of the MASTER OF DOUBLETALK
You know what, you also make me laugh. Thank you for this, in future when using Wikipedia it might be wise to make sure they have actually got the sources in place. Otherwise it's another Wikilegend. :-)[quote/]
Why thankyou im glad i have made your day, coz the words you originally quoted you or a third party actually copied from wikipedia i was just doing the same
[quote/]
As for the song, so what? I won't buy it. However I won't say it can't be said. Everyone should be allowed to say what they desire to say, even if we dislike it. Otherwise, we just begin to limit and limit and limit until only one view is heard and I'd rather not live in that world at all.
Let me get this straight...and you work in the Criminal justice System...hum HUM thats says it all in your answere