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Republican Moderates Abandon Party

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posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 06:16 PM
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zappafan you are wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin. You are obviously young or you would know that the republican party had at one time liberal and conservative branches (as did the democrats) and both parties were far richer for it. this was before the extremists took over and demanded political dogma and the party ossified into place. The republican rise to power began with their embracing of the southern racist elements that fled the democratic party and consequently it sold its soul to extremeism. Lincoln would be so ashamed. Now a days Nixon would be considered too liberal for alot of republicans. It is a real pity because we need a real dialogue to fix the many things wrong in this country as opposed to knee jerk "issues" like gay marriage or flag burning amendments. Consider....refusal to raise the miniumn wage...refusal to renew the voting rights legisgation...refusal to police its own including the president. it is shameful and a disgrace.




posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 06:21 PM
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When elected congressmen start jumping ship, then I'll take this more seriously. This guy was the state party chairman, and now he wants to run for Deputy Governor.



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 06:55 PM
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The people WANT the Checks and Balances.

That's what's been missing.

From another thread:


Anti-Bush is Anti-American?

Disagreeing with the Administration is now un-American? How? Why? It seems that people of BOTH parties are getting off at the next stop. Yes, I went to Fox so that it couldn't be called biased:

www.foxnews.com...

So it seems that there is MORE than 50% of the American public that don't support this president. Doing the math I figure it at about 65-68%. That's 2 out of every 3. Are those 2 un-American? That makes no sense to me. Only 1/3 of the population is pro-American? What kind of logic is that?




posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by zappafan1

While it's sad they chose to become Democrats instead of say....Libertarians...."


REPLY: No thanks; we have enough people in the two parties we have that are against the Constitution, and are for Marxism/Socialism. Mostly on the Left, but it's in both parties just the same.


Lol Zappa, that's not what Libertarians are all about. If the extreme of republicans are fascists, and the extreme of democrats communists/socialists, then the extreme of libertarians are anarchists. I'm not sure who fed you that garbage about libertarianism (Fox News?), I don't know, but if you want more info, try this site, www.lp.org...

[edit on 28-6-2006 by Jamuhn]



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 07:26 PM
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The Guardian, if anything, is even worse than the New York Times. Leave it to them to have one candidate jump parties and then publish an article implying all moderate republicans are becoming democrats.



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 07:36 PM
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As a life-long Republican, I don't always agree with what the party promotes - as in lately. However, I can't imagine what it would take for me to start actually calling myself a democrat. IMHO, most Republicans - happy with the party direction or not - would feel much the same way about this as I do.

So, to paraphrase (I think it was BH), like it or not, it's not happening the way the author of this thread inteaded for us all to believe.


[edit on 6/28/2006 by centurion1211]



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
The people WANT the Checks and Balances.

That's what's been missing.

From another thread:

Anti-Bush is Anti-American?
So it seems that there is MORE than 50% of the American public that don't support this president. Doing the math I figure it at about 65-68%. That's 2 out of every 3. Are those 2 un-American? That makes no sense to me. Only 1/3 of the population is pro-American? What kind of logic is that?


I think that it was pointed out in that other thread that the numbers were speaking to job approval rating, not support for the president. Two entirely different things.


df1

posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 08:11 PM
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It seems like the democrats are willing to accept republican defectors with open arms.


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Kansas Democratic Party Chairman Larry Gates said Wednesday he is talking to a few more Republicans who might run for state office as Democrats.


The more important issue is how do the voters feel about the direction of the republican party, not how many politicians choose to switch party. However experienced politicians like cockroaches are quite adept at survival, so these defections are likely a pretty good indicator of how the voters feel in kansas.



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 08:38 PM
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I think this has been a long time comming.

There have been alot of Republicans since the 80's who were very unhappy with the religous right and neo-conservatism, but who were weathering the storm in the hopes that the party would eventually return to its former self. They are now realizing that the party has been too far infiltrated by the moralists and war mongers, and realize its time to cut their losses.

The current Republican party is a disgrace to America with its unconstitutional morality crusades, its international warring, and its alienation of moderates of any kind.

I doubt the current NEO-cons are even bothered to look around them and see the problems.



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 09:07 PM
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I've always been a republican but people don't see me defecting to the Democratic party. Progressive leftism doesn't suit me politically. That would be like a disenfranchised moth flying wildly toward an open flame.



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 09:33 PM
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You have voted df1 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have used all of your votes for this month. Good Find


I have always thought that the Bush admin alienated many of the moderate non Americans who might have supported Gulf War 2.
Americans at the homefront are finaly waking up to the fact that the Republican party has became an outlet for the christian taliban not to mention the fact that most Americans dont benfit from tax cuts.

I wouldnt say the rats are leaving a sinking ship but major surgery is required. The christian taliban needs to forced out. Powell and Giuliani need to run in 2008 they would bring unity and common sense back to the USA !


df1

posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 09:58 PM
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Party Lines Being Crossed In Arizona
The Hayworth-Mitchell contest in the 5th Congressional District is seen nationally as one of the key races in Democrats' efforts to win 15 seats, which would give them a majority in the House.

It seems that the fun is not going to be limited to kansas, arizona is getting into the act too. However no party switching is involved. In this case the republican Hayworth is publicly supported by his former democratic opponent, while Mitchell the democrat is publicly supported by 12 current or former republican office holders.



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 10:02 PM
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Republican base voters come from a variety of groups and interests; to label them all religious zealots is ignorant. To acknowledge that religous groups do a lot of the campaign work and are thus entitled to a say in policy is only fair.

Most conservatives distrust government and socialist / statist policies. They also feel that people that call themselves "progressive" and deny thier sympathy for Marxist world views are not to be believed, trusted, or in view of events in economics in the last half century, taken seriously.

Call it an argument in symantics, but I think a case can be made that the two dominant parties in America constitute a single entity, bring in support from a broad spectrum of the potential electorate, except for the haters on both ends of the spectrum, and play off people's fears and hatreds of "the other side".

Ken Melman and Howard Dean take money from the same people, at the same time.



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by xpert11
The christian taliban needs to forced out.


Again! That "taliban" word applying to the Christians!
You don't know what that word mean! I have never seen the Christians in general behaving in the same manners as the Taliban did in Afghanistan before they were thrown out.


When's all the hostility and hatred against all Christians is going to end?


df1

posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by aaaaa
I think a case can be made that the two dominant parties in America constitute a single entity...

That nails it and it gets a WATS vote from me.

Now back to the regularly scheduled programming.

In Minnesota, congressman mark kennedy who has voted with the president 95% of the time has made several modifications to his website to distance himself from the president. The Mn Publius Blog has noted the changes. Maybe he hasnt switched party, but it is pretty clear that he will put a "Hillary In 2008" bumpersticker on his car if necessary to get reelected.

Still unconvinced that we are seeing a major trend?

[edit on 28-6-2006 by df1]



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn


Lol Zappa, that's not what Libertarians are all about. If the extreme of republicans are fascists, and the extreme of democrats communists/socialists, then the extreme of libertarians are anarchists. I'm not sure who fed you that garbage about libertarianism (Fox News?), I don't know, but if you want more info, try this site, www.lp.org...


REPLY: Well, about a year ago, after hearing the Libertarian guy on the radio who tried to run for president, I went to their website, and read every page.

I'll check out their page tonight, to be fair, and get back with you.



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


".... the moralists and war mongers."


REPLY: Sounds like a definition of the Founders. A good thing.


".... its unconstitutional morality crusades...."


REPLY: Explain, please.


I doubt the current NEO-cons are even bothered to look around them and see the problems.


REPLY: Actually, we have, we are, and we're trying to undo all the damage from almost 50 years of Liberalistic/Democratic control of all three branches, and the Supreme Court.

REPLY:"Neoconservatism" Noun; Def: "Political ideology of the US new conservatives, favoring hawkish views on foreign policy, minimal government regulation and little emphasis on social issues."

Sounds like we ARE returning to our "former self"; we're returning to the ideals this country was founded upon; and The Constitution, too. All good things for this country. Gee...... I guess I AM a Neocon. THANKS!



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by aaaaa
Republican base voters come from a variety of groups and interests; to label them all religious zealots is ignorant. To acknowledge that religous groups do a lot of the campaign work and are thus entitled to a say in policy is only fair.

Most conservatives distrust government and socialist / statist policies. They also feel that people that call themselves "progressive" and deny thier sympathy for Marxist world views are not to be believed, trusted, or in view of events in economics in the last half century, taken seriously.

Call it an argument in symantics, but I think a case can be made that the two dominant parties in America constitute a single entity, bring in support from a broad spectrum of the potential electorate, except for the haters on both ends of the spectrum, and play off people's fears and hatreds of "the other side".

Ken Melman and Howard Dean take money from the same people, at the same time.


REPLY: EXACTAMUNDO!!! Well said and totally accurate.



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by grover


zappafan you are wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin. You are obviously young or you would know that the republican party had at one time liberal and conservative branches (as did the democrats)


REPLY: I'm 55, and have been "paying attention" since 1966. I was raised a Roman catholic, and stayed one until I reached the age of common sense.
I was, I guess, a Democrat until I started working (1967), and saw where all my tax money was going.


The republican rise to power began with their embracing of the southern racist elements that fled the democratic party and consequently it sold its soul to extremeism.


REPLY: Odd.... because since the mid-1950's it's been the Republicans who have done the most for civil liberties; especially for Blacks.


Now a days Nixon would be considered too liberal for alot of republicans.


REPLY: Nixon was a "Moderate" Conservative (actually, you are, or you aren't, a Conservative).


"..... issues" like gay marriage or flag burning amendments.

REPLY:..... should have been done years ago. "Homosexual marriage" is an oxymoron.

Oxymoron. Noun. Def: Conjoining contradictory terms (as in 'deafening silence')


"....refusal to raise the miniumn wage..."


REPLY: Good thing; hurts the lowest income people and reduces employment.


"....refusal to renew the voting rights legisgation..."


REPLY: No-one is going to lose the right to vote; it's already worded quite well in the Constitution.


"....refusal to police its own including the president. it is shameful and a disgrace."


REPLY: Lots of charges, no law-breaking; all Constitutional. I AM dismayed, however, that the Republican House Managers refused to do their Constitutional duty, and bring the previous president to trial.



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by xpert11


Americans who might have supported Gulf War 2.


REPLY: Same war; the first half was mistakenly stopped to appease the UN, and there was a "cease-fire" so, it actually "Gulf War 1" never ended.


"....not to mention the fact that most Americans dont benfit from tax cuts.


REPLY: There were no "tax cuts"; they were "reductions in the tax rate" (for everyone), and as a result our economy is booming, the "rich" are paying more taxes than since the late 1980's. Tax revenues to the government have increased almost 23%, and more of the middle class kept more of what they earned.

Anything you do to keep money out of the hands of government is a good thing, and everyone benefits.

When Powell introduced his plans for the beginning of the war, he was laughed out of the room. President? No thanks.

Giuliani? He's too much of a Socialist, and we have too many of them in government already.



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