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Israeli Soldier Kidnapped, Israel Plans Gaza Offensive With Reoccupation A Possibility

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posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 02:15 PM
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Three Palestinian factions worked together to compromise an isolated military outpost on the Gaza border using an underground tunnel. Two IDF soldiers were killed, along with two of the attackers and one soldier, Gilad Shalit, was taken hostage during the raid. The captors refuse to give any information on the soldier until all female and children under 18 are released from Israeli captivity. Israel is trying to take a diplomatic approach with the Palestinian Authority with Egypt, America, and European diplomats as mediators. However, they have mounted a significant offensive force along the Gaza border in preparation of a military operation. Palestinian Chief Negotiator Saeb Erekat has also mentioned the possibility of reoccupation of Gaza.
 



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Tel Aviv - Israeli tanks and ground troops took up positions near the Gaza Strip border Monday, as Prime Minister Ehud Olmert warned that he had ordered the army to prepare for a 'long and drawn- out' offensive in response to the abduction of an Israeli soldier.

The three militant groups who kidnapped the soldier, 19-year-old Gilad Shalit, in a raid on an army post bordering the Gaza Strip Sunday morning, said they would not release any information on the abductee until Israel agreed to their demands to free from its prisons Palestinian women and detainees under 18-years-of age.

Israel preferred to try diplomatic means first to avoid risking the soldier's life, and was holding contacts with the Palestinian Authority (PA) via the mediation of Egyptian, American and European diplomats.

Palestinian Chief Negotiator Saeb Erekat urged the abductors not to harm the soldier to avoid a dramatic escalation of violence in Gaza. 'The situation is really dangerous. We might not [only] face a large-scale military operation, but a reoccupation of the Gaza Strip,' he told Voice of Palestine Radio.



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I will not attempt to justify the attack on this military compound by these factions in any way possible, but I would just like to point this out.

Sunday's attack was also the first deadly Palestinian assault since Israel's historic withdrawal from the Gaza Strip nine months ago.


There have been no fatal Palestinian assaults since Israel withdrew from Gaza. Now Israel is feeling the response of the continued shelling and air strikes which killed many civilians in recent months. They were told by Hamas that there would be a response to the shelling incident on Gaza beach, which the IDF pathetically tried to blame on the Palestinians themselves. The response was a targeted attack on their military forces and NOT civilians. Yet here is what Olmert has to say about the possible response by Israel.

Olmert, addressing a conference of hotel owners in Jerusalem, said that 'let it be clear that we will reach everyone wherever they may be.'

'No one will have immunity,'


Remarks like those make me fear for the fate of civilians in the area. Words like that give me the impression that the offensive forces will demand everyone be gone from the streets in order to justify the indiscriminant attacks on anyone they see, whether they be militants or civilians, priests or politicians, adults or children. I sure hope that would not be the case, unfortunately given the IDF's track record I see this scenario as an absolute possibility.


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[edit on 6/26/2006 by DYepes]




posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 02:48 PM
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response was a targeted attack on their military forces and NOT civilians.

Indeed, congratulations to the palestinians for actually attacking soldiers this time around.

And, of course, that soldier must be given the full protections of the geneva conventions, as he was part of an organized military conducting an occupation and in uniform, nay, even on a military base, at the time.


I will not attempt to justify the attack on this military compound

What justification does it need? Its a perfectly legitimate target.

[edit on 26-6-2006 by Nygdan]



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 03:28 PM
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There have been no fatal Palestinian assaults since Israel withdrew from Gaza. Now Israel is feeling the response of the continued shelling and air strikes which killed many civilians in recent months.


Part of the issue here is a matter of competence. Because Palestinian assaults, bombing attempts and Quassam attacks were not fatal is hardly relevant. The fact of the matter is that yes, the Palestinians were firing rockets into civilian sectors. They made attempts to slip bombs and/or bombers into Israel. Their failures are by no means an indication of innocence.

That said, many people seem to be of the impression that Israel bombs Palestine indiscriminately in response to these attacks. They don't. They attempt to suppress the positions, or destroy them if possible. Of course, the Palestinian terrorists realize that if they set up rockets in a civillian's backyard, the civillians will be struck instead of them by the Israeli fire. This is what happens- rocket teams arrive, fire, leave, and the response kills civillians.

The world demonizes Israel for defending itself, so no matter what happens to this poor soldier (who I hope is alright, but is probably being tortured to death), Israel will come out the bad guy yet again.

DE



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 07:42 PM
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this is great
bravo to the palis who did this by attacking military and not getting a single suvilian harmed in this assult.

nygden the PAL have just asked the people who have the israeli to treat him well.



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 09:58 PM
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# you know even if you refuse to release the adult females prisoners, just let the damn kids go. Thats what they are asking. They are not threatening to behead the guy, although I am sure some Anti-Arabs would love a reason to launch a massive military campaign as a result of one. They want their children back. If I were Olmert, I would just let them go.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 06:48 AM
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As far as the Palestinians are concerned, NUKE 'EM. Drive 'em all out of Palestine and put 'em on a deserted Island to fend for themselves. Then, they will learn not to "piss around" with tolerance. That land belongs to Isreal. They claimed it first- history backs that claim. Let the Palestinians go to Saudi Arabia or something. Mecca is over there. That's their holy land. Isreal belongs to the Jews- stay off their land. This is the thanx the Isrealites get (from the Palestinians) for giving parts of their land to the Palestinians??? Rockets and bombs??? Nuke 'em.

And as for the Canadian terrorists that were caught before they slaughtered Canada. Ship 'em back to where their ancestors came from. It's not racist. It's a stark reality. Do you keep somebody around if they conspire to kill you, your family and your pets??? No! You kick him out of your house! Either that or you put barb wire around their nuts to get them to disclose secret info about where their buddies are hiding. When it comes to terrorists, they should be "guilty until proven innocent". Not the other way around.

Wisconsin



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 07:02 AM
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DYepes

What is the Difference with Female suicide bomber, 16 years old militia man and a grown up Qassam rocket operator?

NONE, if they are terrorist they should be detained, no matter who they are. Minimun age for youth in prisons should be the same for terrorists and and other criminals (15 in here, varies from country to country). If they are younger than that they should be in other institutions.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 07:17 AM
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I don't think the Israeli's are playing around here. They've got a few tanks massed on the border there. I think the time for war is near, Hamas is about to get a serious wake-up call.

news.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 07:41 AM
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Man, those Palestinians should really change their terminology. They should adopt some fancy western PR technics. Their statement should sound something like this:

Yesterday, we arrested a member of a terrorist army while he was unlawfully present in our teritory, was violating our freedom and human rights, by using terror tactics on our population and destroying civilian infrastructure. We wan't to do our fair share in "War on Terror" and it is in interest of global security, justice and because he posseses a big threat of spreading this dangerous ideology to our peacefull nation, we decided, to detain him indefinately without any formal charges in one of our secured instalations, where he'll be processed, interogated and tortured if necessary.

Now this is a properly formulated press release. And everything would be OK.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by DeusEx
Part of the issue here is a matter of competence. Because Palestinian assaults, bombing attempts and Quassam attacks were not fatal is hardly relevant. The fact of the matter is that yes, the Palestinians were firing rockets into civilian sectors. They made attempts to slip bombs and/or bombers into Israel. Their failures are by no means an indication of innocence.

That said, many people seem to be of the impression that Israel bombs Palestine indiscriminately in response to these attacks. They don't. They attempt to suppress the positions, or destroy them if possible. Of course, the Palestinian terrorists realize that if they set up rockets in a civillian's backyard, the civillians will be struck instead of them by the Israeli fire. This is what happens- rocket teams arrive, fire, leave, and the response kills civillians.

The world demonizes Israel for defending itself, so no matter what happens to this poor soldier (who I hope is alright, but is probably being tortured to death), Israel will come out the bad guy yet again.

DE


Yes, but having said that, in the Palestinian areas (or most of Israel for that matter, there isn't an awful lot of room. There are towns, villages and settlements everywhere, not leaving an awful lot of anything else, apart from open ground.

Now, think for one moment, why would you attack from open ground? Makes no sense, you need cover so you dont get sniped, bombed or shelled. There isn't any other cover available, except that provided by towns, villages and settlements. Stark reality of war, they have to find cover somewhere.

On the flip side, I don't condemn the Israelis for firing back, it is after all a war. I do condemn both sides for fighting in the first place though. Religious fanatics on either side of the fence doing no-one any good.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by bodrul
The PAL have just asked the people who have the israeli to treat him well.

Not for nothing, but the palestinian government can't be considered legitimate if it doesn't have control. Whatever group did this has to bring the pow to the palestinian government. Otherwise, its just a terror attack and the yehudis are going to have to shell some camps to get them back.

If these guys aren't part of the palestinian state/military/security apparatus, then they are simply criminals and kidnappers.


dyepes
just let the damn kids go

Why? They've taken up arms against the yehudis, why should they release them? Shoudl they also release any children that the palestinians had strapped bombs to in suicide missions?


Now this is a properly formulated press release.

Its really irrelevant. Both sides know what is going on, the Palestinians hate teh yehudis, and the yehudis hate the palestinians. What would the press release matter anyway? The 'world' isn't going to get involved. Heck, the nearby arabs aren't even getting involved.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 10:52 AM
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The international community is urging restraint, as thousands of Israeli troops gather on the Gaza border poised for an offensive over the kidnapping of a teenage soldier.

In the midst of the worst crisis since the Hamas-led government took office in March, Palestinian factions reached agreement on an initiative which implicitly recognises Israel's right to exist.

Israel , which has threatened it could take out Hamas ministers over the hostage crisis, dismissed the deal as an "internal matter" even though it would mark a major shift in policy by Hamas, which advocates the destruction of the Jewish state.

Palestinian armed groups have vowed not to release the soldier until all Palestinian women and children are freed from Israeli jails, a demand already ruled out by the Jewish state.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged Israel to give diplomacy a chance, saying there was a "concerted international effort" under way for the release of the kidnapped corporal, Gilad Shalit.

She called for efforts to "calm the situation, not to let the situation escalate and give diplomacy a chance to work and try to budget this release."

Top EU foreign policy envoy Javier Solana also urged Israel to use political rather than military means to seek his release.


Well it looks like the IDF is going to have a field day in Gaza soon. Thats is some pretty heavy firepower they got lined up there, with more on the way. Unfortunately it looks like we are going to witness many civilian deaths in the next few weeks as soon as these tanks penetrate the border. Hey who knows mayb Hezbollah will get bold and back up their brothers in arms by coming in through the north.

Lets hope this soldier makes it back alive soon to avert another tragedy.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 12:15 PM
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While the grown-up Israelis and Palestinians strut around armed to the teeth
demanding the impossible of each other, countless thousands of INNOCENT children on BOTH SIDES are educated in the daily class of warfare, xenophobia, intolerance and terror. What these kids ON BOTH SIDES will experience in their lives over the next few years and months will shape them to become just like those intolerant bloodthirsty adults who come home each night to tuck them in to tales of the Arab/Jewish boogeyman.

So many kids in the whole Israel/Palestine conflict region suffer daily from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from the adults' campaigns of strike/counter-strike, bullets and shells that it truely makes me cry at times...can there even be a time when we will listen to the voice of a child that says to the adults "enough is enough..."



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 04:09 PM
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Israel clamped a tight closure on Gaza that prevented merchants from leaving the area and fishermen from sailing off the Mediterranean coast, the army said. It closed all crossings into Gaza.

Hundreds of Palestinians were stranded on the Egyptian side at the Palestinian-controlled Rafah crossing, said Salim Abu Safiah, the director of security at the Palestinian crossings.



I find that odd. How can Israel shut down the Gaza border on the Egyptian side? Would that not mean that Egypt is working with Israel to assist in this battle?

Another sad quote from a gvoernment official showing thier disregard and intent to have many civilian deaths in this incident.

"We will not hold back on our efforts, and to our great sorrow, part of this price will be paid by the residents of the Gaza Strip," Haim Ramon, a senior Israeli Cabinet Minister, told Army Radio.

"This strike will come and it will be very painful. In order to stop this, I call on authorities in the Palestinian Authority to do all they can to bring Gilad home."


I guess we will see this unfold within the next few days.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 05:13 PM
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AP
alestinian Government are reporting Israeli tanks have crossed the border. Israeli planes attack bridges in Gaza.

Israel confirmes attack, but does not confirm tank movement.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 06:43 PM
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Interesting. Now some of the civilians can not get to work, go to school, or visit relatives between the north and south. I am sure several rounds will end up accidentally leveling some schools and hospitals by the end of this conflict, as well as countless apartments that the IDF can simply allege are hiding terrorists and everyone will just swallow it up. How unfortunate.

Please Lord God, Heavenly Father, make the passage of all casualties involved swift with little pain, have mercy on all souls who are going to participate in the coming event and let there be as few innocence lost as possible. Help the leaders and people of both sides of this unnecessary conflict come to a more divine conclusion to this standoff. Have mercy on the land and remove any poisoning that may ensue by the hands of men. Please return to us and show them the world needs peace. Have mercy on us all



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by infinite
AP
alestinian Government are reporting Israeli tanks have crossed the border. Israeli planes attack bridges in Gaza.

Israel confirmes attack, but does not confirm tank movement.


According to BBC News the tanks are moving, and the Israeli forces are now mounting a ground offensive on Gaza.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by Wisconsin
As far as the Palestinians are concerned, NUKE 'EM. Drive 'em all out of Palestine and put 'em on a deserted Island to fend for themselves. Then, they will learn not to "piss around" with tolerance.


Wow..its a shame that words like this don't have something associated with the power of the word "anti-semetic". If the palestinians were to the level of regular humans someone would have made one by now. If i or anyone else would say the same thing about Israel we would be labeled as Nazi's and Anti-semites. We need a catch word for racism aimed towards palestinians.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 07:50 PM
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Hey guys, take a look. I guess they decided to get started.




GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Israeli troops entered southern Gaza and planes attacked two bridges and a power station, knocking out electricity in most of the coastal strip early Wednesday and stepping up pressure on Palestinian militants holding captive a 19-year-old Israeli soldier.


Full Story


Good for Israel doing what they need to do to try and get that soldier home despite the threats from the Palestinian Authority to use chemical weapons. Nice to see some countries have balls.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Originally posted by Wisconsin
As far as the Palestinians are concerned, NUKE 'EM. Drive 'em all out of Palestine and put 'em on a deserted Island to fend for themselves. Then, they will learn not to "piss around" with tolerance.


Wow..its a shame that words like this don't have something associated with the power of the word "anti-semetic". If the palestinians were to the level of regular humans someone would have made one by now. If i or anyone else would say the same thing about Israel we would be labeled as Nazi's and Anti-semites. We need a catch word for racism aimed towards palestinians.


Yeah well are Jews "anti-world"????? No. They aren't. Are the Jews waging Gihad and blowing themselves up in the name of Yehweh God??? No. Have the Jews caused 2 world wars and some????? No. Sure, they aren't perfect and have made some stupid mistakes but not as stupid as the terrorist bombers and rocket shooters. Palestinians complain of oppression and aparteid??? How about in Muslim dominated countries??? Who then is preaching aparteid?????

Wisconsin



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