Originally posted by vorlance So, the 1 million dollar question is - Does this electro-gravitic lifting effect really operate in the vacuum of outer space?

There is a vast difference between electrogravity and ionic wind. Electrogravitics (as far as I can tell) creates a field of gravity that has a different field density than the surrounding gravitational field, so your thrust behaves more like a balloon would in our atmosphere. In effect one can "push" against other gravitational bodies (like Earth, Moon, Sun) to achieve a linear motion. These craft are very advanced (by our standards) and require a sizeable amount of wealth to create.

Ionic wind, on the other hand, works very well in a fluid medium since hydrodynamic flow is the principle ingredient. And they are a lot cheaper.

I am giving serious consideration to starting another thread on just design principles, maybe even come up with a cost effective model capable of transporting maybe half a ton or so. When I do I want you and zorgon to join me and perchance we could bring in some more minds and take the project a little closer to being fully realized.

I am giving serious consideration to starting another thread on just design principles, maybe even come up with a cost effective model capable of transporting maybe half a ton or so. When I do I want you and zorgon to join me and perchance we could bring in some more minds and take the project a little closer to being fully realized.

Sounds good. Let us know when and the direction you want to take it.

Originally posted by Matyas
Ionic wind, on the other hand, works very well in a fluid medium since hydrodynamic flow is the principle ingredient. And they are a lot cheaper.

Much more romantic too...sailing the vastness of space... I have seen some design concepts for ionic wind ship. Kinda pretty.

I am giving serious consideration to starting another thread on just design principles, maybe even come up with a cost effective model capable of transporting maybe half a ton or so. When I do I want you and zorgon to join me and perchance we could bring in some more minds and take the project a little closer to being fully realized.

Please do I was planning to do that myself, but my time has been limited lately. Kind of like Alien Tech 101 {already tried Alien Biology 101, but that isn't doing so well}

Maybe we can collect some serious data on what makes them tick. Seeing as you have already tinkered with some models. Who knows if it "takes off" maybe we can get Timet sponsorship. At least get some metal to play with.

AH Found it I did.....

Just as no overview of astronautics and modern rocketry could be complete without a discussion of the work of Hermann Julius Oberth (1894–1989), any descriptions of the dawn of EP would be glaringly wanting without an account of his role in bringing the concept of EP into the limelight. To exaggerate only a little the procreational similes often used to describe the “fathers” of rocketry [32], we could say that if Oberth is now recognized as a father for rocketry and astronautics he should be lauded as a midwife for electric propulsion. We say so because Oberth’s major contribution, as far as EP is concerned, was not in having developed specific inventions, or having undertaken technically rich conceptualizations,but rather in having defined, for the first time publicly and unambiguously, EP as a serious and worthy pursuit in astronautics. If the field of electric propulsion is not indebted to Oberth for a lasting technical contribution, it can trace its conceptual origin as a discipline to the last chapter of his all-time astronautics classic Wege zur Raumschiffahrt25 (Ways to Spaceflight) published in 1929. Oberth devoted that whole chapter, titled “Das elektrische Raumschiff” (“The Electric Spaceship”), to spacecraft power and EP. In that chapter he extolled the mass-savings capabilities of EP, predicts its future role in propulsion and attitude control outside the atmosphere, and advocated electrostatic acceleration of electrically charged gases, which can be created from refuse on the orbiting space station that is a major theme of the book.

SOURCE Offline paper from the Princeton University Electric Propusion and Plasma Dynamics Laboratory

Originally posted by zorgonAH Found it I did.....

Can I put this in my thread? This is a major contribution.

Yes I just sent it to you via u2u I wanted you to read it first. Asthat info dates from 1929, I think that ought to give us a Historical reference point to work from

Besides which it comes with a whole lot of credibility.

[edit on 3-7-2006 by zorgon]

Originally posted by torbjon
that image for the 1962 American Mars Atomic Rocket or whatever looks suspiciously like Nomad before merging with 'the other'...

Nothing suspicious about it... both were designs from the drawing board of Werner von Braun who' with his team, has designed most of the space vehicles including the shuttle. And before he passed on, he left designs for the next 25 years...

Gotta love those Deutsche Rakete Wissenschaftler ummmm errr sorry German Rocket Scientists

that image for the 1962 American Mars Atomic Rocket or whatever looks suspiciously like Nomad before merging with 'the other'...

Excellent observation but i supposedly is a pre Star Trek design. Maybe the graphic designer of Nomad got their inspiration from those earlier concepts. It's cool to have another Trekker out there to see the parallels.

TTL

Nothing suspicious about it... both were designs from the drawing board of Werner von Braun who' with his team, has designed most of the space vehicles including the shuttle. And before he passed on, he left designs for the next 25 years...

Gotta love those Deutsche Rakete Wissenschaftler ummmm errr sorry German Rocket Scientists

That's for sure! Those folks were brilliant people. Given the respect they were held in, and the degree in which some of their works were realized, it sure makes you wonder which of the other designs were built and flown in secret.

Originally posted by vorlance it sure makes you wonder which of the other designs were built and flown in secret.

Silly Boy what do you think the other thread is all about?

never know if it's 'trekker' or 'trekkie' *sighs* I know the folks that have an opinion on it get pretty nasty about it... I just watch the show *shrugs*

I got this book, "One hundred years of science fiction illustration" by Anthony Frewin (1840-1940) amazing how right on some of those spaced out Bohemian artist types were with their design concepts... and they didn't even have CAD *laughs*

duty calls
twj

ter·res·tri·al (tə-rĕs'trē-əl)

adj.

1. Of or relating to the earth or its inhabitants.
2. Having a worldly, mundane character or quality.
3. Of, relating to, or composed of land.
4. Biology. Living or growing on land; not aquatic: a terrestrial plant or animal.



Non-terrestrial ships can be defined as sea based vessels.

nuff' said.


the hacker is full of BS

Originally posted by torbjon... and they didn't even have CAD *laughs*

Funny little note on that cad thingy... My architect is an artist first, because he has to be able to draw my concept visually before its put to cad...

Note to all budding architects... guess who gets the big bucks?

First up, anybody that claims to have 'hacked' a high level military computer (assuming it contained information of this nature) is, a: still sitting at it. b: moments from dissapearing off the face of the earth. c: Full of the leavings of a bull.
Military computers containing that kind of info are completely seperate from the standard networks used for everything else. They are kept in heavily shielded locations such as bunkers that make all kinds of electrial communication virtually impossible. Not to mention that these 'locations' are always well within a guarded perimiter. then there are the various other security systems that need to be circumvented, both, software and hardware.
Not Likely.