thanks for the response, Liberal1984
The three reasons you gave that President Bush could come up with are pretty funny
especially the third one
I for one would love to see him come up with something better, but alas, thats not going to be the case.
original quote by:Liberal1984
More seriously there are a lot of bank accounts that the owners have forgotten.
I have to try to dig up any stories on this I can find; but, I saw at one point that the govt was actually confiscating "abandoned" savings
accounts. And not using it to pay off the debt; but rather, to fund the war machine(Iraq, and Afghanistan).
in the meantime heres the FBI's
website detailing the procedures for seizures of property.
also it was in 2000 that congress did some overhauling to the federal laws. Ironically I learned about this
fromBoat/US Magazine, July, 2000
Congress Overhauls Property Seizure Laws
Boat/US Magazine, July, 2000
Boat owners and other citizens who face seizure of their assets by the federal government -- from boats to bank accounts -- will no longer be
considered guilty until proven innocent thanks to a reform measure passed by Congress and signed into law by President Clinton on April 25.
The Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000 amends federal law that allowed a person's assets to be seized and held by federal agencies, whether
the person was ever arrested or convicted of any crime. Before the reform measure passed, a citizen's property could be seized on as little as
"probable cause" that the property was connected to criminal activity. The property was "arrested," not the person, and it was then up to the
citizen to post a bond and prove his or her innocence.
The reform bill was supported by BoatU.S., along with an unusual collection of interest groups, from the American Civil Liberties Union to the
National Rifle Association and sponsored by Rep. Henry Hyde (R-IL), Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
Even if this Administration does have the absolute
best of intentions innocent people are inevitably going to get "mistaken" for possible
terrorists. That's if
they have the best of intentions. I feel more that the govt is doing this to get themselves as much money as they can
find from "abandoned" or "delinquent" or "suspected" accounts; and use it to fund the WOT.
Im trying (unsuccsessfully) to find any newer overhauls that may have been done in this regard.
the following is in response to spacedoubt
original quote by:spacedoubt
And it goes on everyday.
The newspapers, the Blogs, even some members of this SITE.
I recently used the term "Verbal Insurgency" to describe these types of actions.
It will do nothing but prolong the war. It's tantamount to aiding the enemy..
Like I said before if these "terrorists" are smart enough to pull off the greatest attack in American history; then they are sure as hell smart
enough to know that we are traking they're bank accounts and movements. These people are smart enough to fool the entire planet's intel; yet they
are not smart enough to logically deduce that the biggest govts in the world are always using every means necc to find and detain them.
NO! The only reason our govt wants to hide these things are so that they can use them for much more than their intended use.
original quote by:spacedoubt
You really think the American public, and in this case, The WORLD, has the right to know EVERYTHING the government is doing EVEN IN THE TIME OF WAR?
Should we just give everyone in the country a TOP SECRET clearance? No secrets then, right?
With my tax dollars?...Your damn right I have EVERY right to know EVERYTHING that MY govt DOES period!... YOU and I are the govt BOSSES not the other
way around. And if they cannot own up(even in generalized terms) to what they are doing that goes against our laws then they need to be exposed.
And dont blow this story out of proportion.. the NYT never disclosed proceedures. If they HAD then this would be a whole different ball game.
As far as censoring myself... sure over my dead body!!!!!!
I will agree to and adhere to; the T&C of this board in terms of censorship. BUT, I will be damned if I am going to stop speaking and exposing things
that our, and other govts, do that I feel are BS. And shame on you for evenb suggesting it
If you want to silence me youll have to kill me.