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Originally posted by daedalas
maybe I'm missing something but it seems that the issue of gay marrige is a battle between human rights and christians. and you would really think that in a matter of law that christianity wouldn't have much of a say.
how can christian politics be so influencial when they dont have any representatives and aren't even recognized as a political party (I dont think)? why do we have to mold this country around the bible and christian morals?
could someone give me one reason why two gay people cannot get married other than its says they can't in the bible?
Originally posted by Two Steps Forward
In the far past, marriage had no standing at law; it was purely a religious matter and the churches had full control over it. Thus, when King Henry VIII of England wanted a divorce, he could not simply, in his role as head of state, hand himself one, nor could Parliament give him one. He had to go to the Pope, who was not cooperative, hence the founding of the Church of England.
Originally posted by dbates
Marriage was and still is a religious matter.
Why do animals need permission to breed and reproduce?
Other than religious implications, what good is marriage?
If every union were that of a man and a woman no harm would be done. The country would continue to grow and flourish. If all unions were homosexual unions, then the birth-rate would fall off the charts.
Lastly why do homosexuals care about the "marriage part"?
How old is the institution? The best available evidence suggests that it’s about 4,350 years old.
When did religion become involved? As the Roman Catholic Church became a powerful institution in Europe, the blessings of a priest became a necessary step for a marriage to be legally recognized.
Men who married men: Gay marriage is rare in history—but not unknown. The Roman emperor Nero, who ruled from A.D. 54 to 68, twice married men in formal wedding ceremonies, and forced the Imperial Court to treat them as his wives.
The Romans outlawed formal homosexual unions in the year 342. But Yale history professor John Boswell says he’s found scattered evidence of homosexual unions after that time, including some that were recognized by Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches. In one 13th-century Greek Orthodox ceremony, the “Order for Solemnisation of Same Sex Union,” the celebrant asked God to grant the participants “grace to love one another and to abide unhated and not a cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of the Holy Mother of God and all thy saints.”
The term [homosexual] dates from the late 19th century, when human sexuality began to be studied as a science.
There is no term that means homosexual orientation in the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts of the Bible.
Thus, when you see one of these words in an English translation of the Bible, it is important to dig deeper and find what the original Hebrew or Greek text really means.
Take Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, for example. A word-by-word analysis of these two verses by the National Gay Pentecostal Alliance (NGPA), showed that the passages do not prohibit all same-sex behavior; they do not even prohibit all male same-sex activities. They merely control where male-male intercourse is allowed. It cannot be performed in a woman's bed, because that location is sacrosanct. Only the woman, and under certain circumstances a man, may occupy it. Otherwise, a serious defilement would result.
A Biblically Based Study on Homosexuality in the Bible
The purpose of writing this document was threefold: 1) to understand for myself what the original Hebrew and Greek texts state concerning homosexuality, 2) to compile a concise, to the point, biblically based study, and 3) to share this information with anyone that wants to learn the truth, walk in greater love and more in Christ.
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. ASV
Correct Hebrew translation: "and with a male thou shalt not lie down in beds of a woman; it is an abomination".
It can be seen that, rather than forbidding male homosexuality, it simply restricts where it may occur.
One of the more common arguments against homosexuality used to be the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. I say used to be, because many biblical scholars and teachers have begun to realize that there is insufficient scriptural backing for that argument. Let us together take a clear, honest look at these cities, and let us determine who the inhabitants were, and why God destroyed them.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
I am not in favor of the Gay Community simply because of the name..the very moniker.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
The Bible and Homosexuality
Are you absolutely sure about the transltions of the bible you're reading as regards gay people? Have you studied what God REALLY meant? What if you're wrong?
Originally posted by kinglizard
Interesting BH…you were able to find supporting evidence on the internet regarding your beliefs.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And I'm curious to know if anyone else has done a strict translation from the original languages of the bible as regards homosexuality. You either have or you haven't. If you haven't, you're relying on the translations of people with an agenda and it could very well be incorrect.
Even though there is no record of Jesus having mentioned homosexuality or same-sex relationships, many Christians continue to believe that Jesus himself condemned homosexuality. Jesus did not. Instead he preached a message of radical inclusion, in stark contrast to the strict adherence to purity codes observed by many within his society.
So what does the Bible say about homosexuality? The short answer is, "nothing." The concept of homosexuality as a sexual orientation was unknown in biblical times.