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reply posted on 26-6-2006 @ 11:29 AM by ch1466
Planeman,

Semi's give you some major advantages when it comes to clustered targets since they allow you to prerange (say) a linear roadway or intersection feature and then simply advance the muzzle up a vehicle convoy or patrol unit. While direct hits should /always/ be possible on vehicle targets, it must be recognized that .50 fragments will tear a man up pretty good, even from a near miss.

Even as the faster you can shoot /well/, in the first few rounds, the less the overlapping reports will be differentiable as well.

That said, the real problem, if these things make their way into any kind of OOTW context, is that you can now treble the range around any given ground action where sniping can give support and thus must 'secure' the equivalent number of multistory buildings or other raised terrain features in say an urban battle zone. If there are an average of 1.5 such areas per acre in Baghdad with the correct grazing angle/LOS now there could be as many as 4.5.

And thats a MAJOR hit in terms of restricted maneuver and predictable ops plans.

Not least of this potential is the certainty of counter sniper operations against U.S. teams doing the same for our guys. We are outnumbered over there 12:1 and look nothing like the natives. Having already lost, what was it, SIX snipers in a single engagement, we would do well to remember our conspicuity and vulnerability when .50 rounds start to ventillate walls in OUR sniper nests.

Having said that, the principle danger is always going to be the unexpected and /unmarked/ attack on oil infrastructure and shipping. There is an amazing amount of damage you can do to a pressurized well head or transfer casing with a .50 round and the castings are NOT CHEAP OR QUICK to replace.

Since NTISR is now the principle mission of all our airpower in both regions, it must be said that the ability to attack without direct (proximal) approach probably means quite a bit to insurgents hell bent on achieving damage to their own future without having to emplace or rocket explosives. Targeting Pods and even Predator FLIR will be locked onto a 1-2 mile strip around the oil lines and such. While direct approach systems (UGS nets or remote GMTR etc.) will also be biased towards an alarm threshold which a good gunner team may not necessarily broach.

At sea, you can use a helicopter or even a fishing boat 'on the horizon' to make very long range bridge, weapons, sensor or (in the case of tankers) hatchcover/transfer system kills though clearly above deck hits will require a larger slant and higher altitude or closer approach while moving small targets will be more difficult to hit.

The real problem will come when the Iranians copy or steal the barrel technology and then adapt it to use cargo munitions. With these, entire units will be vulnerable to top attack and it will only require a skilled shooter (or a BORS type sight) to allow single units, under cover, (something say a mortar cannot do) to inflict very heavy attrition once something like an IED stops everybody to deal with the wounded and damaged vehicles. Indeed, it is theoretically possible to replace radio detonation of explosives by using AMR/SPR to 'remote activate' plastic or caps in an environment of heavy jamming or network blackouts.

I frankly don't give a rat's behind how many of their cops get capped by drug runners, NONE of these rifles have a legitimate use in Arab or Iranian hands over there. Not One.

If Steyr has a V3 problem with that then it's time we dumped a 20,000 free M16s onto their next Assault Rifle customer. Or denied sales of hunting and pistol systems on the U.S. market. If they are part of a larger industrial group, then making their parent organization 'feel the pain' of affiliation should also be an option, 'right well and soon'.


KPl.



reply posted on 26-6-2006 @ 12:47 PM by ch1466
Aelita,

Iraq. 26 million of them, halved for females and kids under 14. Halved again for those 'just cheering that day'. 130,000 of us. 50:1 odds.

OTOH, since each major city outside the Capital is more or less it's own festering festung of 30-50,000 with non-aligned partisan groups either unwelcome or unable to reach the daily grind of desultory attrition, you can perform the same math vs. a typical batallion commitment with attached units and hangers-on and now you have roughly 12:1 odds.

Of course we can't always sort the sheep from the goats that easily as they have a nasty tendency to 'run one in front of the t'other'.

Yet if a threat force uses the guns wisely, either on hard-backed targets guaranteed to fragment the round beyond comparitive forensics ability to look for T&G. Or with some kind of frangible squashheads on indig/contract (government, police and emergency services, utilities and oil ministry etc.) personnel, there is no real reason to assume that these weapons cannot 'contribute usefully' to the insurgency in either AfG or Iraq without EVER coming into conditions where they are associable with an Iranian team sent in to use them.

Because they will simply never be seen within a given organizations TOE.

Something which is especially critical if the Iranians are training shooters as well as bankrolling the weapons themselves. Given they know as well as anyone in the region that your typical Iraqi would sell his sister if he thought it would get him ahead, this seems likely. Yet if Qods/Pasdaran and/or VEVAK are fronting money for a fundamentalist network thru the local mullahs in Saudi or Syria, they likely have a secure relay system in place to bring individuals at least to a certain point -in-country (from a neutral border) before they are handed off to a given local force.

Past that greatest-risk entrypoint, if you can reach an intermediate mosque or other safehouse with closed cases, all you have to do is 'disappear' between that one and the next in the chain and you are now a free operator with nary an Iraqi the wiser to what your real mission -ever- was.

The whole point of long range weapons systems being that you don't have to associate with those who can betray you in an essentially free for all anarchic environment.


KPl.
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