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GSA

posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 06:02 AM
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Hi Hellfish.


So you think that maybe you could cure AIDS? well first you would have to defeat the almost supernatural ability of the HIV virus to transform, mutate and evade destruction. Then, and only then could you start to win against it.

One thing to think about though is a claim by a US science team that they use low voltage currents on blood during a filtration session - allegedly it defeats the membrane of the virus and will one day herald a cure.

I for one as a cynic believe there is a cure, but its just not profitable enough for the companies to do so.




posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 11:58 AM
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Exactly. Even if there is a cure, it will not be released. Same goes for cancer. There is way more money to be made off of treatment then cure. I know it's messed up, but it's the harsh reality of this world, and the people in power.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Barcs
Exactly. Even if there is a cure, it will not be released. Same goes for cancer. There is way more money to be made off of treatment then cure. I know it's messed up, but it's the harsh reality of this world, and the people in power.


I understand your thinking but what about socialist countries that actually buy the medicines for these people? Wouldn't their governments gain more if they cured something instead of having to pay for treatments for a person's whole life? Remember AIDS and cancer are not just American afflictions.


GSA

posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by Griff

I understand your thinking but what about socialist countries that actually buy the medicines for these people? Wouldn't their governments gain more if they cured something instead of having to pay for treatments for a person's whole life? Remember AIDS and cancer are not just American afflictions.


The socialist countries are tied hand and foot by the American Multis that control all of the major research and development of treatments of diseases and the like.

Make no mistake, even here in the UK treatment is seen as better than the cure for drug companies.

One rep for a parkinsons drug actually held the belief that yes it can be cured, yes they have got one lined up, but till the profits die away from all the people that need the drugs now it will never be released.

Oh and by the way, the greatest threat to stem cell research is lobbying from drug companies - I wonder why.... Maybe some thing to do with curing many illnesses that require masses of drugs to treat maybe?



posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by GSA
Make no mistake, even here in the UK treatment is seen as better than the cure for drug companies.


That can be true. However you have to remember that most diseases do not even have a "cure". Also developing a vaccine or "cure" is a very long term prospect which you could take up to 20 years to develop, cost billions and may be a complete failure if you start off down the wrong path. Drug companies prefer to take a more "evolutionary" approach, building on existing knowlege and technology. They are like all companies - they want to maximise profit, reduce risk and are not always interested in what profits they can make in 20 years, but what they can make in the next 5 as they have shareholders to pay dividends to.

That is why most of the work that goes into developing potential cures and vaccines is done by government, charity and UN funded projects.

BTW, AZT is still usually a part of the first line combination given to patients when they start anti-HIV treatment. It is never given on it's own, but always in combination with 2 or 3 other drugs.


GSA

posted on Jun, 28 2006 @ 05:35 PM
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hahahaha spoken like a true blue company rep if I have ever heard one. If you ever need a job send that piece to a company of your choice and they'll snap you up. Look at all the profit sent into these companies, look at their turn over and massive share holder profits, and you see the suffering of thousands to secure their long term profits and pensions.

If a concentrated effort, backed with the money it needed was made, many and nearly all disease would be cured within a decade at the outside.

Father Luke, look at any disease long enough and in detail and you will find the cure or vaccine for it. cervical cancer is a case in point. The rumour mill had that vaccine developed in the early 1980's, but not released due to the 'funding' factor.

Suprise suprise 20 years later its rolled out and near perfect - Yet even then it was a fight to get it into trials because of opposition from parties concerned not for human health but 'lobbyists' for major 'concerns' in the USA.

Trust a drug company? Never. Research for cures and drugs should be by the state, for the people. Not profit before pain, but people before profits.



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 07:32 PM
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Well GSA...why don't you get together a team of committed scientists. Then, just print out a list of the top 10 richest men, along with their addresses. From there, line up a special opts team to inject each man with a common disease that isn't yet cureable...and there you have it. Brains, Dedication, Funds...what more could you ask for?

[edit on 29-6-2006 by Hellfish]



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 01:25 AM
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The Aids virus was allegedly developed by the Department of the Navy in the middle 80’s. I have the name of the doctor (initials RMD) who allegedly developed the virus. I made several attempts in 1989 and 1990 to contact him at his house in the southwest U.S. I obtained his address from CIA contacts. He was never there, or at least, never answered the doorbell.

Aids is allegedly a virus that is protected by a protein coat on the RNA preventing the antibodies (T-4 cells) of the immune system from detecting and eliminating it.

The alleged cure for AIDS lies in the excrement of the white fungus that’s grown from the Chinese cucumber tricosanthes kirilowii. This excrement (which develops after about 2 or 3 weeks) is separated with hydrazine sulfate and an acidification process which dissolves the protein coat on the RNA and exposes the nucleus of the virus that’s detected by the antibodies of the immune system. Regardless of how weak the immune system is the virus will be destroyed.

No more than 20cc dose per 36 hour period should be administered. No antibiotics should be used during this period. The 20 cc’s are metabolized in 36 hours having dissolved the protein coat of the virus.

Over the past 15 years several I have been party to several attempts to get samples of the tricosanthes kirilowii out of China, but all have met with failure. The last samples having been ‘cooked’ during departure procedures.

I am not a doctor. I am not saying I have the cure for aids. What I have written above is about all I know so please don’t hammer me for more information. If there is an error in the technical information above maybe I have worded it wrong from the information that I have. And maybe a member of ATS can help me correct that wording. I only offer this information because ATS has an incredible information source through its members. Maybe one of those members can use this information to advantage.

In closing: Attention Dr. Strecker (author: Strecker Memorandum). Bob, if you are reading this call me. You know where I am.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by johnlear The alleged cure for AIDS lies in the excrement of the white fungus that’s grown from the Chinese cucumber tricosanthes kirilowii.




Wow
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You know dude..I.,ve already got more information from that one line than the last ten years regarding searching for a cure

Anti-HIV protein, TAP 29, from tricosanthes

Thanks for providing that..

Are you ok by the way..??????

I,m getting the strangest ''Vibe'' from your post


Are you in danger/trouble???



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by AGENT_T

Are you in danger/trouble???


Everything is fine, thanks AGENT_T.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 02:28 AM
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I think you may be incorrect on when the HIV virus was developed....

www.avert.org...



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by tcarpentier
I think you may be incorrect on when the HIV virus was developed....

www.avert.org...


Yes, thats always a possiblilty.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by GSA
Hi Hellfish.


So you think that maybe you could cure AIDS? well first you would have to defeat the almost supernatural ability of the HIV virus to transform, mutate and evade destruction. Then, and only then could you start to win against it.

One thing to think about though is a claim by a US science team that they use low voltage currents on blood during a filtration session - allegedly it defeats the membrane of the virus and will one day herald a cure.

I for one as a cynic believe there is a cure, but its just not profitable enough for the companies to do so.


Bob Beck the late, has the information on the patented AIDS blood treatment from Einstein College. He took that patent and instead of putting the current exvitro, he simply placed the electricity invitro. Instead of taking the blood out, you place an electrode on the skin where you take a pulse. Whether this is highly documented or not is a matter for further research. Bob's video looks very interesting.

By the way hi johnlear, thanks for some earlier discussions here on ATS, in chat and so forth about or more than a year ago. Good to see you commenting, first time I noticed in a while.

[edit on 30-6-2006 by SkipShipman]



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by GSA
hahahaha spoken like a true blue company rep if I have ever heard one. If you ever need a job send that piece to a company of your choice and they'll snap you up. Look at all the profit sent into these companies, look at their turn over and massive share holder profits, and you see the suffering of thousands to secure their long term profits and pensions.

If you read my post I was in no way defending drug companies, and I have no idea how you reached that conclusion. I was simply explaining why they aren't interested in developing a vaccine as they think it is a high risk venture with small potential for profit. Of course they are only interested in profit, just like all companies. There is more money in producing viagra, prozac and anti-obesity drugs for rich westerners than there is in developing treatments for the millions dying in the third-world. That is why we still don't have an effective vaccine for malaria after all these years. The question is: how would you change this system?

Currently it is up to the government and charity sector to develop one. The World Health Organisation has a programme going:

www.who.int...

You could donate some money if you feel passionately about it.



If a concentrated effort, backed with the money it needed was made, many and nearly all disease would be cured within a decade at the outside.

You are basing that statement on.........?



posted on Jul, 1 2006 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by nwomi
Who? know's for sure freind- i think that if they did have cure, it would be made public, only because they could make billions on the cure-making many people rich!!!!!!!!!!!! peace


or rather, billions more having people come to get multiple refills of drugs that prolong their life a little while longer before their imminent death.



posted on Jul, 2 2006 @ 09:25 PM
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Apparently there's a cure already.


patft.uspto.gov...,676,977.PN.&OS=P N/5,6



posted on Jul, 2 2006 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by GSA
Please do not inject your self with bleach - It will cure you of AIDS, but it will also cure you of life. As a Nurse with 5 years experience of Critical Care, I can assure you that the corrosive nature of bleach will strip you clean within minutes of injection. I once had a young patient who had attempted to commit suicide by ingestion of just over three bottles of bleach. Not only was the patient in very seriouse medical state, but also presented a very real danger to all the staff involved in the resus attempt. Intubation was impossible due to the horrific burns to the mouth and throat and on every chest compression bleach was forced into the air as aerosol - The end result was an agonising death which traumatised many members of staff for quite some time.

Please do not inject bleach into yourselves, its not healthy or wise.


yes, dont ingest ANY amount of bleach or use it in anything that will wind up in you body.

I have heard of people swallowing a cap full of bleach to pass a drug test DONT DO THAT that person now has serious digestive problems (holes and burns within the stomach and esophagus).

Also bleach is a very strong oxidiser and when mixed with other chemicals can release a toxic amount of chlorine gas. (colorless untill inhaled).

DONT EVER USE household chemicals like bleach, amonia, or others in some half cocked attempt to produce a drug lab either. More than likely you will end up hurting yourself or worse.

you would be surprised of what kinds of chemicals are found in everyday products.

PLEASE...PLEASE! dont think that ingesting ANY chemical such as bleach will cure aids and leave you a healthy person. If it was that simple someone would have discovered it by now.



posted on Jul, 2 2006 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear
The Aids virus was allegedly developed by the Department of the Navy in the middle 80’s. I have the name of the doctor (initials RMD) who allegedly developed the virus. I made several attempts in 1989 and 1990 to contact him at his house in the southwest U.S. I obtained his address from CIA contacts. He was never there, or at least, never answered the doorbell.

Aids is allegedly a virus that is protected by a protein coat on the RNA preventing the antibodies (T-4 cells) of the immune system from detecting and eliminating it.

The alleged cure for AIDS lies in the excrement of the white fungus that’s grown from the Chinese cucumber tricosanthes kirilowii. This excrement (which develops after about 2 or 3 weeks) is separated with hydrazine sulfate and an acidification process which dissolves the protein coat on the RNA and exposes the nucleus of the virus that’s detected by the antibodies of the immune system. Regardless of how weak the immune system is the virus will be destroyed.

No more than 20cc dose per 36 hour period should be administered. No antibiotics should be used during this period. The 20 cc’s are metabolized in 36 hours having dissolved the protein coat of the virus.

Over the past 15 years several I have been party to several attempts to get samples of the tricosanthes kirilowii out of China, but all have met with failure. The last samples having been ‘cooked’ during departure procedures.

I am not a doctor. I am not saying I have the cure for aids. What I have written above is about all I know so please don’t hammer me for more information. If there is an error in the technical information above maybe I have worded it wrong from the information that I have. And maybe a member of ATS can help me correct that wording. I only offer this information because ATS has an incredible information source through its members. Maybe one of those members can use this information to advantage.

In closing: Attention Dr. Strecker (author: Strecker Memorandum). Bob, if you are reading this call me. You know where I am.




I googled your information and it is referred to as "compound Q" which, your information is correct, seems to stop the virus.

I am curious as how you came across this info....I am also not surprised it isnt more well known as it does seem anti viral properties.



posted on Jul, 2 2006 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
All treatments to date work by either stopping or killing the virus before transmission can occur ie: condoms or clean needles or simply keep the symptoms at bay ie: AZT etc.


We had a police officer visit us in work the other day as drug addicts are leaving used needles in train cabs, he was there to warn us and how to look for the warning signs of drug abuse in the area so we could be aware of needles hidden in places so you would get jabbed, (sick bastards).

The cop also told us that if we did get jabbed then there is a tablet/injection you could get that would stop AIDS/HIV infection if you went to the A+E within 48 hours. I am no doctor so dont know how correct this is, but if they could stop it in 48 hrs surely a cure is around the corner?

McP.



posted on Jul, 3 2006 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by Mcphisto
The cop also told us that if we did get jabbed then there is a tablet/injection you could get that would stop AIDS/HIV infection if you went to the A+E within 48 hours. I am no doctor so dont know how correct this is, but if they could stop it in 48 hrs surely a cure is around the corner?

McP.


There is a treatment, however I'm afraid it doesn't mean a cure is round the corner. The treatment is called Post Exposure Prophylaxis (PEP), and involves giving the the person with the "needlestick" injury the drugs normally given to HIV positive patients to supress the virus. The idea being that if the virus is attacked with the anti-retro virals (ARVs) before it has chance to get a foothold in the body it can kill it off there and then, and the patient will not become HIV positive. The drugs given are normally AZT, 3TC and indinavir or nelfinavir . Loads of information about it here:

www.aidsmap.com...

You are meant to take the drugs for several weeks, but the experience from the hospital where I work is that quite a few patients don't make it past the first one or 2, as the intensive drug therapy makes them feel pretty ill.



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