Greenland Ice Melt: See if this don't scare you!, page 5

Outside Source "Glaciers have been retreating for more than 10,000 years, a phenomenon generally regarded as a good thing. When glaciers showed a strong resurgence between 1450 and 1850--as Smithsonian visiting scientist Alan Cutler reported recently in the Washington Post ("The Little Ice Age: When Global Cooling Gripped the World," 8/13)--the slowly flowing ice engulfed farms and crushed whole villages. Crops failed, leading to widespread famine in Norway, Scotland, and other northern areas.

"The possibility that global temperatures could rise because of an increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a concern that needs to be monitored," says Singer. "But there has been no indication in the last century that we've seen anything other than natural climate fluctuations. Both greenhouse theory and computer models predict that global warming should be more rapid in the polar regions than anywhere else," he says, "but in July the Antarctic experienced the coldest weather on record."

"To make a case that glaciers are retreating, and that the problem is global warming, is very hard to do," says glaciologist Keith Echelmeyer of the University of Alaska's Geophysical Institute. "The physics are very complex. There is much more involved than just the climate response."

[link] www.sepp.org... [/link]

The "Hockey Stick" model has been debunked, and none of the computer models work. If you generate a model, say, 200 years into the future, if you run it backwards it should give you a result the same as when you started; which no model has ever done.

[edit on 27-6-2006 by zappafan1]

Greenland ice cap may be melting at triple speed

The world's second largest ice cap may be melting three times faster than indicated by previous measurements, according to newly released gravity data collected by satellites.

The Greenland Ice Sheet shrank at a rate of about 239 cubic kilometres per year from April 2002 to November 2005, a team from the University of Texas at Austin, US, found. In the last 18 months of the measurements, ice melting has appeared to accelerate, particularly in southeastern Greenland.

"This is a good study which confirms that indeed the Greenland ice sheet is losing a large amount of mass and that the mass loss is increasing with time," says Eric Rignot, from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, US, who led a separate study that reached a similar conclusion earlier in 2006 (See Greenland's glaciers are speeding to the ocean). His team used satellites to measure the velocity of glacier movement and calculate net ice loss.

Yet another technique, which uses a laser to measure the altitude of the surface, determined that the ice sheet was losing about 80 cubic kilometres of ice annually between 1997 and 2003. The newer measurements suggest the ice loss is three times that.

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The evidence continues to mount.

[edit on 11-8-2006 by loam]

www.upi.com...

COLUMBUS, Ohio, Aug. 10 (UPI) -- U.S. researchers say the most precise record of Antarctic snowfall ever generated shows no real increase in precipitation during the past 50 years.

The study's results from the Byrd Polar Research Center at Ohio State University show the snowfall was nearly static, although most computer models assessing global climate change call for an increase in Antarctic precipitation as atmospheric temperatures rise.

If there is 'Gobal Warming' which has been 'created' by man it's not effecting the Antarctic.

Continue reading:

"The year-to-year and decadal variability of the snowfall is so large that it makes it nearly impossible to distinguish trends that might be related to climate change from even a 50-year record," said Andrew Monaghan, a center research associate and lead author of the study.

And from here on the same study:

Antarctic snow may hide climate shock

A new study that shows Antarctic snowfalls have changed little in 50 years, despite global warming, could be evidence that the worst is yet to come, says one of the authors...

This contradicts the predictions of most climate models that are based on the assumption that warming air can carry more moisture and produce greater snowfalls at the poles.

"The models predict that Antarctic snowfall should be increasing with a warming atmosphere," says Australian team member and palaeoclimatologist Dr Ian Goodwin, of the University of Newcastle.

Goodwin doesn't challenge this basic climate physics. But says the recent evidence supports the idea, not recognised in climate models, that there is a lag between global warming and Antarctica's response to it.

The reason is that Antarctica and the southern hemisphere are surrounded by large oceans that take a long time to heat and therefore act as a buffer to climate change.

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Greenland's massive ice sheet is melting rapidly, losing the equivalent of Lake Houston every six hours.

That's the conclusion of a study by University of Texas at Austin scientists that appears to confirm earlier, controversial research that suggests the melting of Greenland's ice has nearly tripled since the late 1990s. Greenland's ice sheet contains about 10 percent of the world's fresh water.

The findings concern climate scientists, who say that since the Industrial Revolution, and especially since the mid-1900s, carbon dioxide levels have risen by more than 40 percent. They attribute much of the increase to fossil fuel burning and say that, in the absence of increased carbon emissions, no natural factor can explain warming global temperatures.

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Here is the most recent update I found on the Greenland glacier melt problem:


earthobservatory.nasa.gov...


Scientists also recently discovered that a major contributing factor in the Antarctica breakup of one of its eastern (Ross?) glaciers a few years ago was a hitherto-unnoticed warmer-than-normal wind blowing over the mountains near that glacier. So Antarctica does respond to global warming, but with a time-lag, as Loam suggests.

Another scientific website that has a lot of good reports on what is going on with ice melting is the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute:


www.whoi.edu...

Dear loam and others,

You are not the only one deeply concerned about the changes to our planet's eco-systems. Without going deeply into it (it is too long of a process to explain here), our planet has a spiritual government that oversees the developments that affect mankind.

A few weeks back, one of the chief's of administration spoke to the sudden changes to the polar ice caps, and issued the following bulletin:

For a full read of this information please go to:
LINK

Here are the comments regarding Greenland and the melting ice:

QUOTE:
The melting of the Greenland icecap will be studied and provide many surprising insights into your world. Those insights will not come free, but they will be each associated with a major disaster in your world. There will come a time in the melting of the icecap when scientists and media will record a continuous flood. Think of the floods that are going on in areas of your world now due to extreme high rainfall. There will be literally rivers flooding, descending from the icecap, into the sea. This will go on for three to five years as it melts very rapidly.

As the ice reaches the point of zero degrees centigrade and above, it takes a great deal of energy for it to change to a liquid form. Once this process begins, it will be horrendous. The water will flood from the icecap in tremendous gushes over this period, and will continue to do so to a lesser degree for another ten to fifteen years. Results to the North Atlantic currents will be . . . “awesome” is too small of a word to explain to you the affect on the gulf stream and what will occur afterwards. The rising of the ocean will be at a far more rapid rate than scientists have forecast.

Further, it will have a significant affect on Antarctica. The ice flows there that extend many miles into the sea will be raised from the ocean floor. There will be an immense break-off of these ice flows, into ice bergs of hundreds of square and cubic miles, and this will also aggravate the level of the ocean, worldwide. Yes, it will be an aggravating factor; it will be an anomaly that will occur rapidly in your world. It has occurred before; Greenland was known as Greenland because it truly was green—and Iceland had little ice. These areas allowed the survival and the growth and development of people and cultures there, in centuries past. This will occur once again. Many of you will see this development in your lifetime.

This will become the new, wonderful agricultural area of the world, where gardens will grow vegetables and flowers will grow from places from all over the world, when they are imported. Yes, to answer both of your questions, the mineral resources of your world will be diminished, but on the other hand, vast new areas of mineral development will be available, for fewer people. Truly, it will be a time of great abundance for a few, a few that carry great sorrow. Yes, there will be many other aggravating or augmenting factors to this decimation, but as we have said, the initiating causes may be totally and completely unrelated to this issue, such as the melting of Greenland’s icecap, but that factor alone will diminish all technologically developed nations’ capacity to protect themselves and to aid their neighbors.

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