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Greenland Ice Melt: See if this don't scare you!

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posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 03:42 PM
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Text Orange
Okay People, Here's what you do. Invest in tons of land, DIRT CHEAP somewhere near the coast of Greenland, in a spot that will be right on the coast after the ice melts. In a hundred or so years, when greenland is the world's most popluar vactioning spot and other places, like florida, are either way too hot or completely submerged; your family sells the land in Greenland and therefore becomes EXTREMELY rich.

[edit on 26-6-2006 by the68narrow]




posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 03:43 PM
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[edit on 26-6-2006 by the68narrow]


crt

posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 03:45 PM
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Mars is melting too

And Jupiter is being affected

It seems this warming phenomina is solar system wide, not just the earth. So unless there are hidden factories on Mars we don't know about, it seems it is more the sun than green house gases that are causing climate change.

Is the sun getting hotter?

Hotter sun to blame



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by crt
Mars is melting too




It is not yet clear, though, if the evidence of a single year's change represents a trend.


This is not comparable to the records here on Earth of our warming trend.
In other words, this is not evidence of Global Warming.




And Jupiter is being affected



This growth signals a temperature increase in that region, she said.

This is a regional increase, not global. There is not enough evidence to support that Jupiter is going through global warming like we are.



Is the sun getting hotter?

Hotter sun to blame



Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures.


That is a very strange article.
I have found that Dr Sami Solanki doesn't believe that the Sun is responsible for our warming.



www.ens-newswire.com...

But Professor Sami Solanki, solar physicist and director at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, is not convinced that the increased activity of the Sun is responsible for global warming.

He says that based on his team's research, the Sun can be responsible for, at most, only a small part of the warming over the last 20 to 30 years.

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However, they said, "since about 1980, while the total solar radiation, its ultraviolet component, and the cosmic ray intensity all exhibit the 11-year solar periodicity, there has otherwise been no significant increase in their values. In contrast, the Earth has warmed up considerably within this time period. This means that the Sun is not the cause of the present global warming."




[edit on 26/6/2006 by Umbrax]



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 05:49 PM
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Very interresting article.

What kinda puzzles me is that every quarter or so some major scientific institution publishes a report saying "this is happening alot faster than what we previously calculated!". Now this is a pattern that kinda scares me because if those who should *know* know nothing (eh, using a relativ term here of course) we´re kinda out in the blue about what will happen tomorrow. Well, we are anyway but you know what i mean...



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 05:57 PM
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Ya well, nobody really "knows" anything. Its just a bunch of educated guess's.
If they really new....we would have a weather report that was accurate for once.
I mean these people that "know" cant even tell me if i should get my grill out for
the weekend, how in the hell are they gonna tell us whats going to happen 20
years from now ....hmmmmmm ?



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by ferretman2


No one knows (humans have been around for how long?....10,000 yrs out of an esimated 4 billion years?) ................know one will know until it is to late. MO is is part of the planet lifecycle with man contributing a small bit.



Are you kidding me?!? 10,000 years? We have been smoking pot for 10,000 years! It is ignorant people that listen to the corporate line that will destroy mankind...



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 06:36 PM
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Sure millinos may perish as a result of global flooding, but it may be a wake up call to humanity to trim down our numbers, and learn to respect our environment and our relationship more.


Its a big leap from melting ice caps tp global flooding ala Noah's Ark. There isn't that much water up there, and it won't come over night. You will at least have time to grab the kids and the puppies and take a liesurely drive inland



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by masqua
Isn't it a fact that one way humanity reacted to the Bubonic Plague was the killing of cats (cuz they look evil and their eyes shine at night)? That was the opposite of what should have been done, since cats kill the rats which were the carriers and the cause.


That may be true, but hindsight is only 20/20.

There is no perfect solution or perfect method or algorithm for solving large scale problems. The best we have achieved so far is the ability to analyse our thoughts, actions and consequences. There is a trial and error process associated with being human, and I'll bet my bottom dollar that it is not going to go away anytime soon.



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 07:45 PM
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I think America's the only country in the world that still publicly debates the reality of global warming. The sun has increased its activity, but cars are the single biggest human contributor to the phenomena. The number of cars on the road continues to increase exponentially.

China's official policy is that everyone in China should own a car. That's 1,306,313,812 more cars. Given their current economic manufacturing status as oppossed to North America's third world position as exporter of raw goods, they will probably all soon own two cars. One can only hope they will lead the world in alternative technology. Their booming economy will soon realize that dream.

The oceans act as the stuffing in the turkey, making it slower to heat, longer to stay hot and slower to cool. Global warming does not mean warmer everywhere on earth, it means volatile and changable weather, a hostile environment. When the gulf stream no longer exists, you can expect an ice age from the North and whirlwinds from the South.

Not only will our port cities be inundated, ending global economic trade as we know it, so much carbon dioxide is going to be trapped near the surface of the earth that we are literally going to choke to death in our own garbage.

Future generations, if they survive, will curse our stupidity.



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 08:04 PM
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The debate is not anymore whether or not human beings have contributed to speeding up global climate change, even in the article, and I have seen it mentioned before, they state that in the core samples they analized from thousands of years ago they saw temperature fluctuations of up to 15 degrees and in one case the change happened within a decade. That is the real problem. It does appear, as I have stated in the past, that global climate change will occur this time around again within a decade, or less.

Humans do not entirely cause such global climate changes since it has been demonstrated that in the past when the human race was not supposedly as advanced as we are now these changes have come as dramatically as we are witnessing them now.

AS i have said several times in the past, people need to move inland or at least hava good evacuation plan and have enough provisions in their cars, or ready in a closet, to grab whatever they need and leave as soon as possible. Mostly from areas like south Florida and the gulf coast.



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by crt
Mars is melting too

And Jupiter is being affected

It seems this warming phenomina is solar system wide, not just the earth. So unless there are hidden factories on Mars we don't know about, it seems it is more the sun than green house gases that are causing climate change.

Is the sun getting hotter?

Hotter sun to blame



This issue has been discussed before, every planet on the solar system is going through such a global climate change, but the thing is, as i have reported in other threads, the changes began at the outer solar system, the changes did not start with the Sun and went outwards.

It is my educated opinion that these changes are in part caused by a galactic cloud which has been entering the solar system for a while now and as NASA and Russian scientists have stated the galactic cloud has been becoming denser and denser and according to them the density of such a cloud will exponentially increase until 2012-2013.

[edit on 26-6-2006 by Muaddib]


Ram

posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by clearwater
China's official policy is that everyone in China should own a car. That's 1,306,313,812 more cars. Given their current economic manufacturing status as oppossed to North America's third world position as exporter of raw goods, they will probably all soon own two cars.


To continue : Cars are everywhere - Every morning every day - Billions of cars drive around. Where there is day on this planet, cars drive - And there is always day somwhere on this planet, which means there will never be a moment where there is no cars running.
It's an amazing thought. I truly believe cars are not as innocent as they seems to be - We treat them as pets, though they are dead steel machines - and they are everywhere..

It's not even a natural thing - a car.

I agree - It's the work of human waste - But because we are so trapped in this system, we don't see it - and it dosn't scare us. It's right infront of our face.

Such are many things..
Good thread.



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Ram
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I agree - It's the work of human waste - But because we are so trapped in this system, we don't see it - and it dosn't scare us. It's right infront of our face.

Such are many things..
Good thread.


I don't understand how this topic went from the melting of the glaciers at a pace unprecendented to "cars being a waste".... Several times in the past have such global climate changes happened, yet there were no cars.... There are also no cars, that we know of, on Mars or any of the other planets in the solar system...

Anyways, here are some links to what I was talking about.


The Sun's shifting magnetic field is set to focus a decade-long storm of galactic dust grains towards the inner Solar System, including Earth.

The effect this will have on our planet - if any - is unknown. But some researchers have speculated that sustained periods of cosmic dust bombardment might be related to ice ages and even mass extinctions.
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Cosmic debris
The data come from the galactic dust grains impacts detected by DUST, an experiment on the ESA/NASA mission Ulysses, which was launched in 1990. The measurements, collected by ESA scientist Markus Landgraf and colleagues at the Max-Planck-Institute in Heidelberg, show that three times more galactic dust is now entering the Solar System than during the 1990s.

www.newscientist.com...


Ulysses sees Galactic Dust on the rise
01 Aug 2003

Since early 1992 Ulysses has been monitoring the stream of stardust flowing through our Solar System. The stardust is embedded in the local galactic cloud through which the Sun is moving at a speed of 26 kilometres every second. As a result of this relative motion, a single dust grain takes twenty years to traverse the Solar System. Observations by the DUST experiment on board Ulysses have shown that the stream of stardust is highly affected by the Sun's magnetic field.

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The reason for the weakening of the Sun's magnetic shield is the increased solar activity, which leads to a highly disordered field configuration. In the mid-1990s, during the last solar minimum, the Sun's magnetic field resembled a dipole field with well-defined magnetic poles (North positive, South negative), very much like the Earth. Unlike Earth, however, the Sun reverses its magnetic polarity every 11 years. The reversal always occurs during solar maximum. That's when the magnetic field is highly disordered, allowing more interstellar dust to enter the Solar System. It is interesting to note that in the reversed configuration after the recent solar maximum (North negative, South positive), the interstellar dust is even channelled more efficiently towards the inner Solar System. So we can expect even more interstellar dust from 2005 onwards, once the changes become fully effective.


sci.esa.int...


Threefold increase

The number of interstellar dust grains increased from four per day, per meter in 1997 to 12 per day in 2000, Landgraf said. The results were announced earlier this month. He expects the rate to stay constant until 2005, and then increase by another factor of 3 prior to 2013.

The potential effects are not well known, according to Landgraf and his colleagues at the Max-Planck-Institute.

www.space.com...

While some of the conclusions from those links i gave are different, they all do agree that the effects of this increase in interstellar dust cloud on the Earth and the entire solar system is not completly known, but it is rather strange that all these changes in global climate has been happening and increasing at the same time that the density of the interstellar dust is increasing.

[edit on 26-6-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 08:51 PM
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I wasn't sure either. But I agree with LOAM.
A 2 Mile thick piece of ice the size of Mexico falling into the Atlantic?
Scary, even if it happens decades from now.



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 09:22 PM
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Disrupting the undersea conveyor may be the end result of heating and the ice melt.

Info can be found Google search. One source of info on conveyor.

www.columbia.edu...

The global warming may just start a new cycle of ice age then eventual thaw. I think the human race and the planet are going to see some major changes in this century.



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 09:49 PM
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This is really interesting..I wonder if in a few years I will get to live by the beach?



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 09:55 PM
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I see I have figure out the problem. Underwater facilities "costing" too much to build, prime real estate to own in the future.We will lose money from our shipping, money money money blah blah blah. When your biggest objections for investing in new age facilities, helping curb pollution for the sake of our own health and the environment, not necesarily global warming is because it costs too much or there is no profit return I think it may be time to abandon Capatalism, or at least revise and come up with a new dirve for humanity.

What good is all that money if you lose half of a civilization which will render physical money useless? Socialist/Communist nations like China and their allies who will not hesitate to see the light will be the ones who survive any future global climatic apocaypse. They will not be in denial of the subject because it costs too much or worrying about the profit. They will have future colonies researched, tested, and developed through trial and error while Capitalists laugh about the waste of money and the drain on their revenues. Once the flooding takes their land or it is ripped part by earth tremors it will be them that we run to seekig shelter, information and aid for our own lack of preparedness.

Thankfully we are all at least storing our seeds for the future of our crops.



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 10:52 PM
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aecreate
I dont know if you know what the greenhouse is, and how we humans are enhancing and not for better.

The illuminati are destroying this world, they want so much money that they dont even care about the planet we live in. alternative fuel technology such as water as fuel already exist but those in power dont want you to know because they want to still fill their pockets full of money by selling oil.

by the way, I know that in 2004 there was no choice, but would anybody in this thread you vote for Bush? just curious.



posted on Jun, 26 2006 @ 11:04 PM
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The illuminati are destroying this world, they want so much money that they dont even care about the planet we live in. alternative fuel technology such as water as fuel already exist but those in power dont want you to know because they want to still fill their pockets full of money by selling oil.


Everyone likes to blame the Illuminati for every sin on the planet. I wonder how many out there really know who they are and what they do. As to "don't want you to know about alternate fuel" check out THIS

it is on THIS THREAD

That's Bush getting Hydrogen at the first pump in Washington DC

I still want to know how much Carbon Dioxide 6 billion people breathing 24 hours a day, 365 days a year produces and what effect THAT has on Global Warming. It has to be more than cars, which are only run a few hours a day by the average person. Any study out there on that? I really would like to know



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