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reply posted on 26-6-2006 @ 03:45 PM by crt
Mars is melting too

And Jupiter is being affected

It seems this warming phenomina is solar system wide, not just the earth. So unless there are hidden factories on Mars we don't know about, it seems it is more the sun than green house gases that are causing climate change.

Is the sun getting hotter?

Hotter sun to blame



reply posted on 26-6-2006 @ 05:39 PM by Umbrax
Originally posted by crt
Mars is melting too



It is not yet clear, though, if the evidence of a single year's change represents a trend.


This is not comparable to the records here on Earth of our warming trend.
In other words, this is not evidence of Global Warming.



And Jupiter is being affected


This growth signals a temperature increase in that region, she said.

This is a regional increase, not global. There is not enough evidence to support that Jupiter is going through global warming like we are.


Is the sun getting hotter?

Hotter sun to blame


Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures.


That is a very strange article.
I have found that Dr Sami Solanki doesn't believe that the Sun is responsible for our warming.


www.ens-newswire.com...

But Professor Sami Solanki, solar physicist and director at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, is not convinced that the increased activity of the Sun is responsible for global warming.

He says that based on his team's research, the Sun can be responsible for, at most, only a small part of the warming over the last 20 to 30 years.

...

However, they said, "since about 1980, while the total solar radiation, its ultraviolet component, and the cosmic ray intensity all exhibit the 11-year solar periodicity, there has otherwise been no significant increase in their values. In contrast, the Earth has warmed up considerably within this time period. This means that the Sun is not the cause of the present global warming."




[edit on 26/6/2006 by Umbrax]


reply posted on 26-6-2006 @ 08:08 PM by Muaddib
Originally posted by crt
Mars is melting too

And Jupiter is being affected

It seems this warming phenomina is solar system wide, not just the earth. So unless there are hidden factories on Mars we don't know about, it seems it is more the sun than green house gases that are causing climate change.

Is the sun getting hotter?

Hotter sun to blame



This issue has been discussed before, every planet on the solar system is going through such a global climate change, but the thing is, as i have reported in other threads, the changes began at the outer solar system, the changes did not start with the Sun and went outwards.

It is my educated opinion that these changes are in part caused by a galactic cloud which has been entering the solar system for a while now and as NASA and Russian scientists have stated the galactic cloud has been becoming denser and denser and according to them the density of such a cloud will exponentially increase until 2012-2013.

[edit on 26-6-2006 by Muaddib]


reply posted on 26-6-2006 @ 08:35 PM by Muaddib
Originally posted by Ram
.................
I agree - It's the work of human waste - But because we are so trapped in this system, we don't see it - and it dosn't scare us. It's right infront of our face.

Such are many things..
Good thread.


I don't understand how this topic went from the melting of the glaciers at a pace unprecendented to "cars being a waste".... Several times in the past have such global climate changes happened, yet there were no cars.... There are also no cars, that we know of, on Mars or any of the other planets in the solar system...

Anyways, here are some links to what I was talking about.

The Sun's shifting magnetic field is set to focus a decade-long storm of galactic dust grains towards the inner Solar System, including Earth.

The effect this will have on our planet - if any - is unknown. But some researchers have speculated that sustained periods of cosmic dust bombardment might be related to ice ages and even mass extinctions.
..................
Cosmic debris
The data come from the galactic dust grains impacts detected by DUST, an experiment on the ESA/NASA mission Ulysses, which was launched in 1990. The measurements, collected by ESA scientist Markus Landgraf and colleagues at the Max-Planck-Institute in Heidelberg, show that three times more galactic dust is now entering the Solar System than during the 1990s.

www.newscientist.com...

Ulysses sees Galactic Dust on the rise
01 Aug 2003

Since early 1992 Ulysses has been monitoring the stream of stardust flowing through our Solar System. The stardust is embedded in the local galactic cloud through which the Sun is moving at a speed of 26 kilometres every second. As a result of this relative motion, a single dust grain takes twenty years to traverse the Solar System. Observations by the DUST experiment on board Ulysses have shown that the stream of stardust is highly affected by the Sun's magnetic field.

...................
The reason for the weakening of the Sun's magnetic shield is the increased solar activity, which leads to a highly disordered field configuration. In the mid-1990s, during the last solar minimum, the Sun's magnetic field resembled a dipole field with well-defined magnetic poles (North positive, South negative), very much like the Earth. Unlike Earth, however, the Sun reverses its magnetic polarity every 11 years. The reversal always occurs during solar maximum. That's when the magnetic field is highly disordered, allowing more interstellar dust to enter the Solar System. It is interesting to note that in the reversed configuration after the recent solar maximum (North negative, South positive), the interstellar dust is even channelled more efficiently towards the inner Solar System. So we can expect even more interstellar dust from 2005 onwards, once the changes become fully effective.


sci.esa.int...

Threefold increase

The number of interstellar dust grains increased from four per day, per meter in 1997 to 12 per day in 2000, Landgraf said. The results were announced earlier this month. He expects the rate to stay constant until 2005, and then increase by another factor of 3 prior to 2013.

The potential effects are not well known, according to Landgraf and his colleagues at the Max-Planck-Institute.

www.space.com...

While some of the conclusions from those links i gave are different, they all do agree that the effects of this increase in interstellar dust cloud on the Earth and the entire solar system is not completly known, but it is rather strange that all these changes in global climate has been happening and increasing at the same time that the density of the interstellar dust is increasing.

[edit on 26-6-2006 by Muaddib]


reply posted on 26-6-2006 @ 09:22 PM by roadgravel
Disrupting the undersea conveyor may be the end result of heating and the ice melt.

Info can be found Google search. One source of info on conveyor.

www.columbia.edu...

The global warming may just start a new cycle of ice age then eventual thaw. I think the human race and the planet are going to see some major changes in this century.
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