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Originally posted by whaaa
Yeah, and the arrogant, holier than thou attitude makes me want to puke.
Sometimes I am so ashamed of my Christian Brothers and Sisters.
[edit on 29-6-2006 by whaaa]
queenannie said:
The Christian religion was stolen and perverted from the people it truly belongs to, which is Israel who are the children of Abraham--of the promised seed of faith of Isaac—those who love God’s anointed Yehoshua and are not attached to their religion but rather the ideal which is fundamentally to love one another as we love ourselves—then I’d wager a fair amount that somewhere in your family tree, there is a portion that came from the time of the first dispersion of the 10 tribes under Jeroboam who came after King Solomon at the time the kingdom divided into the lost 10 tribes and the tribe of Judah/Benjamin, which we know these days as Jews. end quote...[messed the post up with my 1st edit, sorry, still a 'cadet' on posting]
Edit: [ btw...[1] Jesus/Mary-Juda [2] Paul-Benjamin [3] John-the-Baptist-Levi...mmmmm, something fishy with this line that we have been feed on the 'lost tribes' ]
[holy smoke...looks like i can finally make a 'quote']
Well ur highness, getting back to the 'Khazars..............
georgjohn said:
Really ran through those long [whatever u want 2 call em] posts....didnt see the word 'Khazar'....u know that 'nation' that took whatever they called it then n made it into 'Judaism' and then forgot that they came from the 'Khazars' [about 90% + of the so-called-jews are Khazars n not blood to Abraham/Sarah ]...[do a Google on Khazar ] LOLove n luck !
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
Not that I want to 'pin' ur highness or any-one down...the 'Khazar' fact must be addressed...and I do believe it to be a 'fact' of History that the Khazars took over a Religion...even to the degree that, their own off-spring believe the 'lie' that was 'created...and many so-called 'christians'are running with the so-called 'chosen' people con-job and 'trapped' like animals in a trap and gone mad and ready to strike out at any-one who trys to free 'em' from the trap...
Just leave it at that for now and hope that people that are interested in researching what they believe and are posting... would look at the links and search deeper into the the ideas that they fight like Hell to put onto others...and look n re-look at what others are trying to say, who have looked ...........
May the Immaculate be with you-all as you see the Show that the Divine Playwright Jesus is putting on..................Infinity
Ave Maria ! Lolove n luck n good sex/emotions/passions...[when u see ur mother, kiss her][daddy 2]
[sorry if i have or offend anyone with my posts...dont intend 2]
[edit on 30-6-2006 by georgejohn]
[edit on 30-6-2006 by georgejohn]
Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
Annie Dillard
The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad.
Friedrich Nietzsche
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
Galileo Galilei
Originally posted by stalkingwolf
Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
Annie Dillard
Amen!
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
Galileo Galilei
Originally posted by georgejohn
Not that I want to 'pin' ur highness or any-one down...the 'Khazar' fact must be addressed...and I do believe it to be a 'fact' of History that the Khazars took over a Religion...even to the degree that, their own off-spring believe the 'lie' that was 'created...and many so-called 'christians'are running with the so-called 'chosen' people con-job and 'trapped' like animals in a trap and gone mad and ready to strike out at any-one who trys to free 'em' from the trap...
Originally posted by dnero6911
And he looked at Barbelo with the pure light which surrounds the invisible Spirit, and (with) his spark, and she conceived from him. ....
Originally posted by queenannie38
and the biggest reason for the stilted spirituality is because of the sexual taboos inherent to Christianity, and the pedophile thing is just an exacerbated extension of unhealthy constriction on natural human sexuality.
Originally posted by curiousity
Originally posted by dnero6911
And he looked at Barbelo with the pure light which surrounds the invisible Spirit, and (with) his spark, and she conceived from him. ....
dnero, your posts are not always easy to read, but probably would make better sense if the quotes included the source. Just a hint, and if it only helps me understand what you're saying better, I'd still like the sources, thanks,
edited to add last line since the first one made this a "one-liner" and at that it sounded a little too demanding.
[edit on 1-7-2006 by curiousity]
And he looked at Barbelo with the pure light which surrounds the invisible Spirit, and (with) his spark, and she conceived from him. ....
Originally posted by dbrandt
In your view and/or what you think God's view is regarding what is appropriate and inappropriate sexual behavior?
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. (Mark 10:6-9)
And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death. (Genesis 24:67)
And Jacob kissed Rachel, and lifted up his voice, and wept.
(Genesis 29:11)
And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter. And Laban said, It is better that I give her to thee, than that I should give her to another man: abide with me. And Jacob served seven years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her.
(Genesis 29:18-20)
And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel. And Shechem spake unto his father Hamor, saying, Get me this damsel to wife.
(Genesis 34:3-4)
So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. (Ephesians 5:28-33)
The situation of forced celibacy as a requirement for serving God--as in the traditional demands placed without exception on all priests and nuns--is totally unnatural, against everything God has established when He made both Adam and Eve--and he specifically instructed them to be fruitful and multiply. That only happens with sex.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Saying sex is bad has led to far more social and personal problems than anything else the so-called 'bride of christ' as the 'church' has ever done!!
Sex is wonderful.....
by queenannie38
Sex is not bad. To condemn sex is a dangerous evil--bad enough to condemn, but to condemn something given by God for a specific purpose? Heinous! And the results of that are what society sees as problems stemming from the act of sex!
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I see that you are busy twisting the truth as usual. I wonder what the Bible says about those that practice the forbidding of marriage. I think that you are talking about the exact things that the Bible says will happen.
Originally posted by queenannie38
Originally posted by dbrandt
In your view and/or what you think God's view is regarding what is appropriate and inappropriate sexual behavior?
'Appropriate' sexual behavior arises from love--true love--which, on its own and without contrivance, engenders fidelity (loyalty) and companionship that lasts from the first day to the last day together....and it causes two to become one...over time.
The situation of forced celibacy as a requirement for serving God--as in the traditional demands placed without exception on all priests and nuns--is totally unnatural, against everything God has established
Originally posted by dbrandt
Also the more I learn from conversing with you it seems like you base your view of Christianity based on the catholic church. Is this correct?
A couple of examples.
Would a sexual relationship between the new person and the person of the marriage be OK?
Another example, a 15 year old and a 13 year old both say that they have true love for each other.
Is a sexual relationship in this case OK?
Final example, 2 gay people truly say they love each other.
Is a sexual relationship in this case OK?
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably.
Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
(Romans 14:12-15)
Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God.
Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith:
for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
(Romans 14:22-23)
Originally posted by queenannie38
Where do you think christianity came from dbrandt, if not the Catholic church? I've said this before, but I'll say it again...
as being 'not correct' is actually not much different than your own.
dbrandt~why the heck are you asking me these questions?
Originally posted by dnero6911
Originally posted by curiousity
Originally posted by dnero6911
And he looked at Barbelo with the pure light which surrounds the invisible Spirit, and (with) his spark, and she conceived from him. ....
dnero, your posts are not always easy to read, but probably would make better sense if the quotes included the source. Just a hint, and if it only helps me understand what you're saying better, I'd still like the sources, thanks,
edited to add last line since the first one made this a "one-liner" and at that it sounded a little too demanding.
[edit on 1-7-2006 by curiousity]
I understand its difficult to follow, but to encompass everything and show links and sources would be soooooooo tedius but I suppose it is necessary considering I'm trying to teach/show people.. but tis a difficult task.... My posts would consist of a page if I were to supply sources... I just wish everyone has read everything I have so we could discuss it more thoroughly and correct mistakes in understanding more clearly..
and I also understand how
And he looked at Barbelo with the pure light which surrounds the invisible Spirit, and (with) his spark, and she conceived from him. ....
is utterly confusing.. you would have to read all of the nag hammadi library and reread it.. so you can understand the pre/con-text, It isn't something that is read once and understood.. its something we should read on a daily basis, like some who read 'the bible'...
Originally posted by curiousity
However, much as I would have liked to have stayed on this thread for a while longer, I seem to have stepped on a certain queen's toes, so that she is apparently determined to try to make me feel dumb for not recognizing your sources, or at least for not googling them.
I am bowing out because the effort not to respond in kind to her sarcasm is becoming overwhelming.