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posted on Sep, 5 2006 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by queenannie38
It's talking about who priests of the Levitical order can marry (you know, those descended from Aaron, Moses' brother?)...

Joseph was not a Levitical Priest....Zechariah was....but Joseph was a carpenter, remember???


This is a good point. I was thinking though, that the people of that nation followed Levitican Law which was taught by Levitican priests (up to and arguably after Christ's teachings). Is that incorrect? It very well could be, but perhaps if someone could show me where the people were given a different set of rules to follow until Jesus' coming, that would help give me a greater perspective.

[edit on 5-9-2006 by saint4God]




posted on Sep, 5 2006 @ 04:56 PM
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Definitely incorrect. Only priests were required to hold themselves to the ordinances of the priestly class of Levites.


You asked:


...but perhaps if someone could show me where the people were given a different set of rules to follow until Jesus' coming, that would help give me a greater perspective.


The Torah. First five books of the bible. Mainly the last three, but there are important points in all 5 books of Moses.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'until Jesus' coming,' however; the law is in effect until the end of the age.

Here is an example of what is basically outlined regarding 'unlawful sexual relations' (per Leviticus chapter 18):

No sex with:

  1. close relatives
  2. your mom
  3. your sister or step-sister
  4. your granddaughter
  5. any daughter born of your father
  6. your father’s sister
  7. your mother’s sister
  8. your father’s brother’s wife
  9. your daughter-in-law
  10. your brother’s wife
  11. both a woman and her daughter (or her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter)
  12. your wife’s sister (even as a wife) while your wife is alive
  13. any woman during her ‘time of the month’
  14. your neighbor’s wife
  15. a man (if you are a man)
  16. any animal (whether you are male or female, etc)


Nothing in there about non-virgins!

It may not be recommended (depending on whatever…to whomever…that’s not my point) but it doesn’t seem to be against Levitical law as it is applied to the average Joe Hebrew….



posted on Sep, 5 2006 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by UnrealZA
queenannie, thank you for your reply.



Yehoshua, the man, was the creation. Even as the Son of God, he was created.

Now, are we supposed to worship the Creator or the creation?


"IF" we base your claims on Scripture then you are incorrect and teaching an error that is severe, so severe that Paul states you are "accursed". I do not say that of you, Scripture does. Scripture declares that Jesus is God, come in the flesh. I shall give only a few of the many passages that confirm this.

John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 He was in the beginning with God.

3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
NASU

John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
NASU

Where does Jesus rebuke Thomas for declaring that He was God?

John 20:28-29
28 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

29 Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."
NASU

Jesus claims that "before Abraham was, I AM" The same name given by the LORD to Moses in Exodus 3. The Jews who heard this new exactly what Jesus was claiming for they took stones up to kill Him for blasphemy.

John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.
NASU

The apostles believed Jesus to be God. Read the beautiful words of Paul regarding this.

Titus 1:3-4
3 but at the proper time manifested, even His word, in the proclamation with which I was entrusted according to the commandment of God our Savior,

4 To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.
NASU

Paul calls God "our Savior" and in the very next sentance he gives that same title to Jesus, "and Christ Jesus our Savior". It is possible that the world has 2 Saviors? Scripture does not allow this for it states clearly there is only one God who can save men.

Paul makes it even more clear here.

Titus 2:13

13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
NASU

Jesus was never "created", only the flesh aspect of Him. He was with God the father before time, Scripture states that Jesus created all things.

Col 1:15-17
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities -- all things have been created through Him and for Him.

17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
NASU

queenannie you gave me Phillipians 3:3 as a passage that supports your claims. This must mean that you believe it to be true, If that be so what then shall we do with this passage, also from Phillipians?

Phil 2:5-11
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,

6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

You can't use Scripture only as it supports your belief, agree?



posted on Sep, 5 2006 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by UnrealZA
To continue...

queenannie, you may scoff at my reply but keep in mind that you use Scripture to defend your claims yet that is a road traveled both ways for it also contradicts your belief.

You claim to have special revelation from the Holy Spirit. How do you know it's called the Holy Spirit? Did He tell you that was His name or did you read it in Scripture?

If you come back and claim that only SOME of Scripture is true and correct, the rest is corrupted by men, I would assume then that only the passages you pick out to support your views are "valid", correct?

Getting back to your Phillipians 3 passage.....If we allow the CONTEXT of that passage to speak then we can see that you have misused it. It does not refer to trusting in the fleshly body of Christ but rather the ability for the flesh to save itself through its works and deeds. It matters not what a person accomplishes in their life that saves them but only the shed blood of Christ. Here is the fuller passage.

Phil 3:4-9
4 although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more:

5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee;

6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.

7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ.

8 More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ,

9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,
NASU

You also claim that "God cannot die" yet Jesus SPIRIT never died, only the flesh aspect of Him died. God the Son (Jesus) took on flesh and gave up His glory as God to take on flesh. He humbled Himself and for awhile became lower than the angels.

Yes, God cannot die, but as He took on flesh He also took on, for a brief time, its limits. God in the Spirit never sleeps, He never tires. Jesus, God the Son, when He took on the limits of flesh got tired, had to sleep, eat and drink.

There is no contradiction




posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 03:46 AM
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being made by Unreal n 'Paulie' n Annie...

As the Creator makes a Male/Body for "It-self"...

Since the Creator is 'Infinate', it's no-big-thing for Jesus/Creator to Be GOD and Flow in His Blood in Mary/Us... all praise to our Man GOD, JC aka Jesus Christ the Lord, His Highness, His Excellancy, the Son-of-GOD etc who came in the Flesh of the Blessed Virgin Mary and also wants to 'come' in all of His Creation as the 'Groom'...

More to come....

Lolove n luck n good emotions/passion/humor/health/etc... Ave Maria ! OMG
...Infinity

110 days to Christmas



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 09:00 AM
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Anyone who makes the claim to being a Prophet of God Saint4God can be proved with one simple test:
1John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
This has to be done verbally, not in type, and it will expose a Prophet as to whether or not they are TRUE or they are False.
I have used it many times in my life. What is Prophecy? It is God's word



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 09:51 AM
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UnRealZA I agree totally with what you say. The whole LAW OF THE BIBLE is this and this alone: FAITH
Because if you do not believe everything in it, especially that about the Gospel's message you will be judged. But if you believe by faith, then you will not face the judgement of the Law.
There is one sin and one sin only that everyone will go to hell over: The SIN OF NEGLECT
Anyone who neglects to make JESUS CHRIST THIER LORD AND SAVIOUR will be judged on that sin only, all other sins will just add to ones punishment. QueenAnnie why do you show all the symbols of other religions when only two are of God. Don't you know they will never coexist. Wait I take that back, they will all coexist but without Judaism and Christianity ( a perverted version might be allowed, but not fundamental ones ) because those 2 groups will be sought out during the tribulation for retribution.



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 01:16 PM
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God is NOT religious, MAN IS!

God could care less about religion -- what HE desires, demands, commands, and wills -- is this:

THAT WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

The message of the bible is NOT faith.

One can't have faith unless God gives it to them.

Faith is what we feel when we feel God's love for us (thus convicting our heart that HE is both real and true, hence we then believe).

If we do not love one another and open our hearts to love, so that we recognize it -- we cannot understand or perceive God's love for us; therefore without love in our lives for at least one person (and I mean REAL LOVE, not need, not dependency, not insecurity-driven lust, etc) then we cannot have faith.

The message of the bible is LOVE.



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38
God is NOT religious, MAN IS!


James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

1 Timothy 5:4
But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God.

James 1:26
If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless.



Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural

www.m-w.com...

I worship God. Erego I am religous.

[edit on 6-9-2006 by saint4God]



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 03:21 PM
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I know you are, Saint4God.

However, the thing that James says.....well, I'm not convinced.




posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 03:42 PM
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And what of Timothy?

It must be nice to only use the portions of the Bible that are self-approved. Why would you bother quoting it at all if you doubt its validity?

I cannot fathom why looking after orphans and widows in their distress would be a wrong way to worship loving, benevolent God.

[edit on 6-9-2006 by saint4God]



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 10:05 PM
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What about Timothy? I don't get it?

I was referring to the second verse from James that you posted; not the others.



posted on Sep, 6 2006 @ 10:26 PM
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Does Queenannie have me on "ignore" or do you queen just wish to avoid my response to you?

If you have me on "ignore" that's fine, no problems there. If so then someone please inform queen to let me know and I shall then know not to respond to her posts.

Thank you



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by UnrealZA
Does Queenannie have me on "ignore" or do you queen just wish to avoid my response to you?

If you have me on "ignore" that's fine, no problems there. If so then someone please inform queen to let me know and I shall then know not to respond to her posts.

Thank you


No, UnrealZa, I don't have you on 'ignore.'

And I'm not wishing to avoid a response to you; my mom has been in the hospital for the last week...things weren't going too well at first, but now they are better. I just haven't had that much time and I also have been contemplating my approach...

So I'll reply in kind when I get the opportunity (since you put so much into your post, I'm not going to just give you a one or two liner in return), and I hope you understand.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38

Originally posted by UnrealZA
Does Queenannie have me on "ignore" or do you queen just wish to avoid my response to you?

If you have me on "ignore" that's fine, no problems there. If so then someone please inform queen to let me know and I shall then know not to respond to her posts.

Thank you


No, UnrealZa, I don't have you on 'ignore.'

And I'm not wishing to avoid a response to you; my mom has been in the hospital for the last week...things weren't going too well at first, but now they are better. I just haven't had that much time and I also have been contemplating my approach...

So I'll reply in kind when I get the opportunity (since you put so much into your post, I'm not going to just give you a one or two liner in return), and I hope you understand.


Thank you queenannie


I fully understand and appreciate the consideration. My best to you and your family, along with my prayers.



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 10:20 AM
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Glad to hear things are going better for your mom. I hope she recovers fully soon. My thoughts are with you both, seriously.



posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 06:29 PM
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QueenAnnie as I mentioned about these other religions earlier, let me ask you this. Can a man get to Heaven thru the doctrines of say Islam, Buddha, and whatever other religious symbols you display? Is there many ways to Heaven or only one?



posted on Sep, 15 2006 @ 11:23 AM
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Make Love Not War
And be ready for I AM coming.

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Question...where in the Good Book does it say that? I would like to know because I am pretty sure that God has been apart of many Wars... He did help David Kill Goliath, he did destroy Sodem and Gamora (Im sorry if my spellings are wrong, I dont have my Bible here in front of me ATM). I am not attacking your beliefs, but I would like this clarified from you, your explination of that. When did GOD ever say that?! Because I will bet my life and soul that he never ever did. Is it something you made up? Give me a verse, and I will appologize. This isnt an attack, I know that everyone is asking you questions on this. If anyone else can answer this for her, please feel free to do so


V/R
Dark



posted on Sep, 15 2006 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
Make Love Not War


Leviticus 19:18
"'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."

Zechariah 8:17
"do not plot evil against your neighbor, and do not love to swear falsely. I hate all this," declares the LORD."

Matthew 5:43-44
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"


Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
And be ready for I AM coming.


Revelation 22:7
"Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book."

Revelation 22:12
"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.


Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
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Question...where in the Good Book does it say that? I would like to know


See above


Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
because I am pretty sure that God has been apart of many Wars... He did help David Kill Goliath,


...which stopped a war, not started it.


Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
he did destroy Sodem and Gamora (Im sorry if my spellings are wrong, I dont have my Bible here in front of me ATM).


That wasn't a war. God blitzed those two places, nobody fought back.


Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
I am not attacking your beliefs, but I would like this clarified from you, your explination of that. When did GOD ever say that?! Because I will bet my life and soul that he never ever did.


Good! Payment time now that you've lost that bet, can you kindly willingly turn the prize over to the One who said these things?


Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
Is it something you made up? Give me a verse, and I will appologize. This isnt an attack, I know that everyone is asking you questions on this. If anyone else can answer this for her, please feel free to do so


V/R
Dark


I've given 5 (for starters). The apology doesn't go to me however, they're not my words.

[edit on 15-9-2006 by saint4God]



posted on Sep, 15 2006 @ 01:01 PM
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You are not understanding, that to me, implys that GOD does not want us to fight Wars, Love does not always win, sometimes Force and War is necissary.

1 Then the LORD spoke to Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tent of meeting, on the first of the second month, in the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying, 2 "Take a census of all the congregation of the sons of Israel, by their families, by their fathers' households, according to the number of names, every male, head by head 3 from twenty years old and upward, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel, you and Aaron shall number them by their armies.

"When you go to war in your land against the adversary who attacks you, then you shall sound an alarm with the trumpets, that you may be remembered before the LORD your God, and be saved from your enemies.

Moses spoke to the people, saying, "Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian to execute the LORD'S vengeance on Midian.

Now the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not fear or be dismayed. Take all the people of war with you and arise, go up to Ai; see, I have given into your hand the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land.

The LORD is Vengeful and Jealous, He orders wars. He is fighting a War between Heaven and Hell right now, with Angels and Demons. I dont need to know all the "Love your neighbor" Though its relevent, its not what I was saying. Thanks


Dark



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