Its actually surprisingly easy to see why the pyramid was selected as the shape for tombs all across the world, its all got to do with the funamental aspects of the natural world and the integration of its various aspects into one manifestation.

You can unlock these mysterious secrets in a profound way.

First, go out into the world, and find a patch of ground where the grass doth not grow, the soil should be loose and loamy and have not roots pentetrating into it.

Gather up the soil and hold it in your hands. Permit the grains to sift through your fingers and fall about a point below you. Do this many times, allowing the soil of the earth to grow.

Now look down. What do you have?


Its called a "Mound of Dirt".

Thats why there are pyramids everywhere. ESPECIALLY in cases like this where they are....mounds of dirt.

You know, I am getting really tired of reading the incessant skepticism, merely for the sake of being a skeptic, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the issue of pyramids.

A pile of dirt does not spontaneously form a square base. A pile of dirt does not end up with geometry that is measurable within a certain degree of accuracy. A pile of dirt is not deliberate construction for the purposes of deity worship or burial of the venerated.

Please stop taking a sledge hammer to these discoveries, sit down, and wait for the people actually doing the research to provide an initial appraisal.

Would it kill you to admit the possibility that these structures are legitimate, similarly constructed, and worthy of more than the scorn and ridicule by people who have not made such a construct themselves....and by people who aren't there themselves studying it.

This is brand new information. There is no grounds yet for wholesale attack on its validity.

Nygdan, i like your description but I have to agree with newtron25.

Originally posted by newtron25

You know, I am getting really tired of reading the incessant skepticism, merely for the sake of being a skeptic,

I am skeptical for the sake of being able to truly appreciate these sorts of wonderous discoveries when they really do come along.

A pile of dirt is not deliberate construction for the purposes of deity worship or burial of the venerated.

Please stop taking a sledge hammer to these discoveries, sit down, and wait for the people actually doing the research to provide an initial appraisal.

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I am not disputing that these chinese ones exist.

In the egyptian religion, the world was first a formless void, a great sea. Then the ancient god swam up to the surface, and slapped some mud down. Then more mud and more, until, eventually, there was a mound. The formation of this mound was the creation of the universe itself, the formation of the world. The world is a mound. This myth also exists in other religions, sometimes its a fish, sometimes its a bird or old coyote or the fox, who piles up the mud from the pre-existant sea, and creates the world. The pyramid, it is an attempt to recapitulate this initial creation, this 'divine' existence. That is why the pyramid, whether its an egyptian type, a peruvian type, a ziggurat, or a khurgan even, are associated with death (ie, entrance into the supreme cosmos and the afterlife, 'real' or permanent 'formation) or the ritual worship of religion.

Even for the egyptians, the Pyramid started as a Mastaba, and then a stack of mastabas, before it was a pyramid.

That is why I mention that dirt forms into mounds, because, it does actually make these structures, and it is also of religious sigificance to the builders. Not as an attempt to say 'there is not pyramid here', and I have no doubt that there are many 'hills' out there today that are temples and tombs that were buried a long time ago.

Originally posted by Nygdan
loamy

You called?

Originally posted by Nygdan
Its actually surprisingly easy to see why the pyramid was selected as the shape for tombs all across the world...Its called a "Mound of Dirt".

Interesting explanation.

haha, loam thats funny.

Originally posted by newtron25

You know, I am getting really tired of reading the incessant skepticism, merely for the sake of being a skeptic, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the issue of pyramids.

Really? Should we all now begin to list the multitude of things that we are tired of?

Originally posted by newtron25A pile of dirt does not spontaneously form a square base. A pile of dirt does not end up with geometry that is measurable within a certain degree of accuracy...

Actually, a pile of dirt does precisely this. A pile of dirt, deposited in the manner prescribed by Nygdan, will form a pyramidal structure with a conic section as it's base. Circular, parabolic, hyperbolic or elliptical, depending on how the wind is blowing and how steady your hand is. The sides will slope at exactly the "angle of repose" for the particular material you use.

Originally posted by newtron25Would it kill you to admit the possibility that these structures are legitimate, similarly constructed, and worthy of more than the scorn and ridicule by people who have not made such a construct themselves....and by people who aren't there themselves studying it.

This is brand new information. There is no grounds yet for wholesale attack on its validity.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, you should realize that the less dense among us recognize that Nygdan in no way attacked the validity of the find. Nygdan's response concerned the following statements from eoyn:

Anyways, interesting how the pyramid shape continues to be used in Ancient cultures. I guess the harmony presented by the shape or something more?

Lastly, these "pyramids" in China can hardly be called pyramids in the sense of the Egyptian monuments. From your source:

The pyramid's square bottom is about 50 meters long and 30 meters wide, about the size of a basketball court, with an oval platform on the top, about 15 meters long and 10 meters wide. The tomb was made of stone and earth dug out from the hill.

A stone coffin, surrounded by four scree boards and covered by a granite top, was placed on the top platform.

Starts out rectangular at the bottom to make an oval at the top. This is a "pyramid" in name only, and is similar to Nygdan's pile of dirt, with a few stylized touches thrown in.

Harte

Again, the far more ardent and stalwart contributors have managed to focus down again to the minutae of piling dirt to explain what clearly is a) unexplainable, b) unclassifiable, c) out of the norm, or d) not all that interesting anyway. I get the impression with all this explaining away of these tombs and such that its really no big deal to the likes of Harte and Nygdan.

I pity your loss of imagination and inspiration that the mere discovery of these objects elicit. It must be a real awful feeling to find yourself looking forward to the third or fourth cup of coffee of the day just to keep going.

I will state this once more: this is clearly an important find. If it is a pyramid, great. If is is not, how is it like a pyramid? How is it like a pile of conical (NOT pyramidal) dirt? How is it like a Ray's Pizzeria, for crying out loud??? How does this have anything to do with who made them and how does that link, rather than isolate, the different groups of people who actually built them from continent to continent?

That seems more interesting than reducing what they are to nothing more than what you or I could do if we let soil fall from our hands into a pretty mound.

Don't you agree?

P.S. As far as listing what things we are REALLY tired of, you should feel free to start a thread of your very own.

Here are a few random thoughts - peoples of this area (China/Korea) at this time may or may not have been technologically advanced enough to be linked to migration to other continents?

I'm really grasping at how the presence of a similar construction of tomb/religious center could provide clues to other cultures like the Egyptians and the Inca. Were trade routes absent? Were they prevalent? How isolated was the culture? What significance do these pyramidoidal "things" have to the Bronze Age people?

Nygdan, thank you for bringing it back to 'real'. I have heat dissipation issues sometimes...

Much appreciated facts and references.

Newtron

First, go out into the world, and find a patch of ground where the grass doth not grow, the soil should be loose and loamy and have not roots pentetrating into it.

Gather up the soil and hold it in your hands. Permit the grains to sift through your fingers and fall about a point below you. Do this many times, allowing the soil of the earth to grow.

Now look down. What do you have?


Its called a "Mound of Dirt".

Thats why there are pyramids everywhere. ESPECIALLY in cases like this where they are....mounds of dirt


Gosh, you mean there really were giants on the eart in those days!!!.

Feel free to rip me apart on this one, but maybe all these pyramids around the world were modeled after the Tower of Babel. The story goes, people built the tower (which was most likely a ziggurat/pyramid shape, and according to Ussher's timeline would have been 2242 BC) , God came, interrupted construction, and scrambled their languages and scattered them over the whole earth.

The result of that would be several small clusters of people all over the world who had no idea where they were. Having just been frustrated from building a pyramid, what would be their next course of action shortly after getting there? I mean, after getting food and shelter sorted out, they'd have wanted to build permanent structures and get rid of that feeling of being lost in the middle of nowhere--why not have another go at a pyramid and maybe they'd actually complete it that time?

Well, I don't think this idea is any more out there than aliens building them, anyway.

Oh man how I would of loved to be alive back then ....instead of now.

Cool News, thanks for the "headsup"

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by newtron25

You know, I am getting really tired of reading the incessant skepticism, merely for the sake of being a skeptic,

I am skeptical for the sake of being able to truly appreciate these sorts of wonderous discoveries when they really do come along.

A pile of dirt is not deliberate construction for the purposes of deity worship or burial of the venerated.

Please stop taking a sledge hammer to these discoveries, sit down, and wait for the people actually doing the research to provide an initial appraisal.

?
I am not disputing that these chinese ones exist.

In the egyptian religion, the world was first a formless void, a great sea. Then the ancient god swam up to the surface, and slapped some mud down. Then more mud and more, until, eventually, there was a mound. The formation of this mound was the creation of the universe itself, the formation of the world. The world is a mound. This myth also exists in other religions, sometimes its a fish, sometimes its a bird or old coyote or the fox, who piles up the mud from the pre-existant sea, and creates the world. The pyramid, it is an attempt to recapitulate this initial creation, this 'divine' existence. That is why the pyramid, whether its an egyptian type, a peruvian type, a ziggurat, or a khurgan even, are associated with death (ie, entrance into the supreme cosmos and the afterlife, 'real' or permanent 'formation) or the ritual worship of religion.

Even for the egyptians, the Pyramid started as a Mastaba, and then a stack of mastabas, before it was a pyramid.

That is why I mention that dirt forms into mounds, because, it does actually make these structures, and it is also of religious sigificance to the builders. Not as an attempt to say 'there is not pyramid here', and I have no doubt that there are many 'hills' out there today that are temples and tombs that were buried a long time ago.

However, Mastaba where actaully used as places of worship, business, and housing. So far there is no real evidence that the Egyptian pyramids were used for anything. None of them were tombs, none of them have writings in them...

After all this discussion, has anyone posted a link to pictures of the tomb in question? I checked the Xinhua News article and the Wikipedia links, but I didn't see anything like what was described.