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Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Originally posted by zorgon
Don't get me wrong, I am in no way condoning the torture of prisoners to extract information, especially if children are involved.
But I do have a serious question... What is the alternative? Do we just ask them nicely to tell us what we want to know? Do we just let them go and say "Have a nice day, please don't do it again?
To answer your question quite simply: CIA thats what we pay those dips for. To gain intelligence when you can't get it other ways. There is no need for that and if we can't get it like that , then we have to fight the old fashioned way using tactics and common sense. Whats the point in spending billions on spy sattelites and defense programs if the only way to get info is to beat or rape prisoners of war.
Originally posted by LovingSoul
"A truth drug (or truth serum)...
No need for torture chaps - work smart not hard!
Originally posted by Yumi
You're saying Children were raped in front of their parents, recorded, for information in WWII and WWI? Or the war you fought, Vietnam, it was done there?
I hope not, one would hate to think everyone ordered this, although I hate to think Rumsfeld ordered this, but evidence shows I am to be hurt.
[edit on 22-6-2006 by Yumi]
Originally posted by BadMojo
Yes, very funny stuff to me. I do concede to the photo with the guys arm cocked back...that's red-handed (no pun intended). Other than that, there is no evidence showing the origination of their wounds. They are photos...not videos showing the time of infliction. I find it funny that it doesn't take physical torture to break these cowards. I would prefer to be stacked on top of fellow servicemen naked than to have my fingernails pulled out and so on.
Silly liberals...breaking a prisoner down for interrogation...beats decapitation ANY day.
[edit on 23-6-2006 by BadMojo]
Originally posted by SKMDC1
I think this thread is a great illustration of why ATS is such a wonderful place of ideas and debate. The thread is posted with a provocative title and the Original Poster is immediately jumped on about her sources and her motives. Certain posters called for the mods to close the thread immediately and basically went bats***t over the very idea of this thread. However, Yumi has consistently posted links to sources (whether you consider them "credible" or not isn't an issue) and she's successfully weathered the initial storm of being shouted down and this has actually turned into a decent discussion about the nature of war and the self-image of America.
Kudos to Majic for handling the complaints in a measured and professional way. Adding two words to the thread title was all it took to address the complaints and also leave the discussion untouched and untarnished. Great job!
My own opinions are that the allegations of using children in the torture and humilation of Iraqi prisoners are probably true. I base that on all the other things I've considered impossible for Americans to do that I now know have been done. I would be surprised if Rumsefeld ordered it directly, but I wouldn't be surprised if he and President Bush were aware of it all along. This administration has become the most un-American group of leaders this country has ever seen. I never thought there would come a time when the idea that American soldiers abusing children would be plausible and certainly never thought I'd see fellow Americans defending it. We live in strange times indeed.
In the end, the only power we have is the vote. I for one don't think we should wait until 2008 to exercise that power. We need to start now in 2006 and give the other side some numbers in Congress so at least it won't be SO EASY for them to walk all over the Constitution for the next 2 years.
Originally posted by Griff
Originally posted by SIRR1
How F#@**%^g dare you even post something like this!
So, because 2 soldiers were tortured, it's ok for us to torture them and rape and sodomise them? How dare YOU!!!!!!
edit: BTW, abu graib was a long time before these 2 soldiers. Maybe the 2 soldiers were payback for all this crap? Think for yourself for once instead of letting fox news do it for you.
[edit on 6/22/2006 by Griff]
Originally posted by Swatman
to pay back for those 2 soldiers hopefully the U.S. covers up some *beheadings* themselves
Originally posted by grover
So curiousity, by your logic Jhon McCain should have sued Bush etal for libel when they let one of roves shadow groups to claim in the 2000 south carolina primary that his adopted daughter from Bangedesh was in reality a love child with a black prostituite huh? People like you disgust me....your double standards are so bloody transparent. Where the hell do you get off threatening to turn people in for expressing their opinions huh? what are you some kind of fricking stool pigeon for the neo-con facicists? PIG! No I take that back the porcine family hasn't done anything to be insulted so....
Originally posted by Rockpuck
The ACLU has no credibility, as they support groups like NAMBLA.
Originally posted by laiguana
To be honest I believe the islamic culture is inferior to any other culture on the planet
However I do not see christians (at least not the majority) randomly killing innocent people for a trivial cause.
Originally posted by Swatman
no. they do what they do because they actually think allah is telling them this stuff. it almost should be on a comedy show what some of these terrorists say, they make good stand up comedy.