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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Doesn't anyone have any comment about the video of Hersh being obviously edited just where the incriminating part of the speech claimed to be?
Originally posted by zorgon
But I do have a serious question... What is the alternative?
(CBS/AP) Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld offered "my deepest apology" Friday to Iraqi prisoners abused by sadistic military personnel and warned that videos and photos yet to come could further inflame worldwide outrage.
"It's going to get a good deal more terrible, I'm afraid," he said glumly in congressional testimony televised throughout the Arab world as well as in the United States.
Thus far, no videos of abusive treatment have reached the public.
Originally posted by twitchy
Welcome folks, welcome to the REALITIES of warfare. As shocking as this kind of thing is, it has happened in all wars around the world since the dawn of man. All you guys supported the 'war' can now have a good look at the symptoms of this sickness. You give a bunch of teenagers machine guns and killer instinct, pump em up on some hatred and ampehtamines, and turn em loose with an anything goes mandate, what do you expect to happen? Torture, massacres, children killed, it's the same story in every war. You wanted a war, now you have one and don't like the taste of it, eat it anyway. Yeah, we're toruring people. To what extent? Only the victims, god and the torturers themselves may ever know. Sleep well knowing democracy can be forced.
Originally posted by pieman: You know what? They said the same thing the last time the pics came out, hell even I was like those can't be real its impossible, theyvare fakes...we are AMERICANS FOR CHRISSAKE! They were real , nothing was fake about them and I was wrong. Wether its true or not this time..it HAS occurred in the past and its not going to be forgotten easily. Its a scar that we will carry for a long time. No one has ever been able to say such things in the past about our honor during war, as it was always the other side doing such things. Americans have always been the first to condemn such things , not condone them or practice them. The only thing Abu Gharib and Gitmo will bring is retribution upon our men and women overseas.
Originally posted by Strangerous:
FWIW I don't believe the evidence presented but when your Sec of Defense describes the Geneva Convention as 'cute', we have confirmed evidence of a sanctioned policy of prisoner abuse and of the blurring of lines of responsibilities between the Army and shadowy, deniable NGO / mercenary groups (resulting in abuse of POW's) people are going to believe the worst of your forces.
Very true. We have utterly lost the "hearts and minds" with the failure to uphold the geneva conventions particularly the article (in ALL of them) regarding treatment of prisoners.
Originally posted by SIRR1
How F#@**%^g dare you even post something like this!
What about the 2 US soldiers who were tortured last week.
How about their screams when the terrorists cut their genitals off while they were still alive.
The soldiers torture is fact !
Your story is bull#.
Originally posted by zorgon
Don't get me wrong, I am in no way condoning the torture of prisoners to extract information, especially if children are involved.
But I do have a serious question... What is the alternative? Do we just ask them nicely to tell us what we want to know? Do we just let them go and say "Have a nice day, please don't do it again?
Originally posted by I See You
War is just that. Murders,rapes, tortures, etc. It happened in all previous and will happen in all future wars. I'll always be proud to be an American regardless of what happened or happens. How many of you are really like you say you are to look good to everyone else here? What are you true thoughts?
Originally posted by sbob
There are pictures,yes. Most of them are real. But I am a pretty good with photoshop and I bet a few......and I say a few.......let me repeat.....a few....are staged. Heck if many people believe that America faked 9/11. Why can't some people fake a few pictures to make America look bad?