Bob Cornuke wrote a book, prior to this discovery, called 'The Lost Mountains of Noah.'
I read it--only because my boyfriend's mother had
it, and he read it...avidly, from start to finish he couldn't put it down...and he's not a reader at all--aside from the Godfather map to his
So I was intrigued. It was a good book.
The man, Ed Davis, that said he saw this thing back in 1943, seemed to have been haunted by what he saw all of his life. But he never told anyone
until a few years before he died, because he had really been ridiculed by his platoon mates when he returned from his outing to see it--a rigorous and
exciting tale, in itself.
The book certainly seemed to indicate that there was good reason for searching in those mountains in Iran, from what the bible says and what Ed Davis
said. I then believed, that if it had existed and was still around somewhere, it would certainly be far more plausible in Iran (Turkey I could
never understand--it was desolate and barren and probably didn't even exist at the time this might have happened, anywhere from 7,000 to 10,000 years
Anyway, here are some links and information I found on-line:
Cornuke trusts the Ed Davis eyewitness account over all others since Bob comes from a law enforcement background and Ed passed a lie detector test
at which Bob was present. Some of the issues with Ed Davis being in Iran are listed above. Bob also believes that the Biblical texts of "rrt"
(Urartu) along with ancient Assyrian texts tend to point toward Urartu being further east than traditionally thought.
Another interesting note is that a small portion of the kingdom of Urartu (mountains of Ararat) extended into what is now northwestern Iran and would
include Kuh-e-Sahand and portions of Kuh-e-Sabalan as well as Mount Nisir (Gilgamesh Epic and today possibly Pir Omar Gudrun) and the Zograt mountains
along the border of Iraq and Iran.
A few people favor the Dasht-e-Kavir Desert region of Iran for the following reasons:
- There is a question about the Hebrew translations of Genesis 11.2. A few say that men moved FROM the east when they found a plain in Shinar while
other translations indicate IN the east, and then built Babylon (Gen 11.2 From the East? by Stephen Clothier)
- Some of the oldest pottery is found in Iran west of the Dasht-e-Kavir desert.
- One of the oldest written languages Proto-Elamite is found in Iran
- The most species of birds and lizards are found in Iran
- Grains and domestic animals originated in Iran not Turkey
- Shem's first born son Elam established Elam in Iran.
- The Cambridge History of Iran Vol.1 1968
As far as what Genesis 11:2 says, I see no confusion about 'in'
as opposed to 'from'
the east--I don't rely on various English
translations, preferring to the Hebrew instead. The verse is (with actual translation in bold and parenthesis):
And it came to pass (and it came to pass), as they journeyed (go forth) from the east (from eastward), that they
found(find or meet) a plain(valley between mountains) in the land(land) of Shinar(a plain in Babylon); and they
dwelt (settle)there (there or then).
Shane made some good points--especially about Gilgamesh's flood--no doubt the same story, just culturally altered as would be expected.
If the last ice age or something else, perhaps, as a result of the Younger-dryas period and/or transition to the Holocene caused
- the waters to rise, perhaps up to 330 ft in some places
- the atmosphere to grow quite a bit more humid with a period of rainfall due to the disruption in the ocean currents caused by the glacial
- increased significant tectonic activity including volcanic eruptions and some degree of continental plate activity
- extinction event occurring in several phases, including the well-documented extinction of the larger animals such as the great cats and
- the submersion of various cities and settlements along coast areas in the mid portions of the globe (which makes sense considering what areas would
have been inhabitable during the ice age)
which was followed by, some time afterward, the 'sudden appearance' of seemingly impossibly advanced civilization in the area of Sumer and
Egypt--somewhere around 6,000 years ago...
combined with the various archeological findings here and there over the globe of evidence of human settlements apparently existing aroung the 10,000
yrs ago mark on the timeline...
why wouldn't it be possible for such a tale as the flood (found in more than just the Hebrew and Sumerian lore--in fact many cultures have a
to have been based not on fiction, but on fact?
There are three main linguistic roots that have been traced back to around the same time Sumer is known to have existed, and they correlate with the
three cultural/racial groups that Shane spoke of; and there is far more in common between the various religions of that time (that we know of)
than there is differences.
Forget all the christian hype about 'this will cause people to believe in God'
--personally I think that's a silly pipe dream. Either
people believe or they don't. And what they believe may or may not include catastrophism. Certainly it isn't going to prove fallacies such as
evolution being totally unfounded (actually, I think it proves that natural selection is fact)
or the earth being 6,000 years old or whatever.
That's just nonsense. It's also egotistical and self-centered for christians, or anyone, to assume that the world only came into being full-grown
and inhabitable--especially just for the purpose of humans and religious dogma...God surely had more exciting things to do long before we came on the
scene...it's not 'all about us,'
I don't think.
is some information concerning samples Cornuke brought
back from this same site back in January--the last trip before this last one in which he made the discovery:
Braving treacherous climbing conditions, and a hostile political environment, Cornuke says he discovered evidence of an altar site, and a
structure that geological experts theorize could have been “hand-hewed.”
He returned from Mt. Soleiman with numerous samples, photos, and video footage, and has chronicled the journey in a new book, Ark Fever
(Tyndale House Publishers).
Testing of rock and shell samples were conducted by BETA Analytic Inc., the largest professional radiocarbon dating laboratory in the world, which
routinely services world governments and major academic and historical institutions such as the Smithsonian Institute. Results of this carbon
dating, which is still on-going, indicate the presence of abundant organic material consistent with coming from a quiescent deep-water environment –
in layman’s terms, possibly from a world once immersed in water.
Evidence of petrified wood was also brought back, and a world-wide team of experts is studying all materials.
Evidently he's not afraid of some actual and legitimate scrutiny by the experts--and this article is dated January of this year (2006).
These are just my thoughts--I don't have any stake in whether anyone believes it to be what it is proposed, so I don't care either way. I do
believe that a portion of skepticism is a healthy thing--and I think there is such a thing as being too skeptical--just as damaging as being not
skeptical at all.
This might very well be a 'sign,' though--not about the bible but about the climate conditions on our globe in the present--such as the possible
echo/repeat of such a situation that would have caused someone to build a really big boat to save himself and his family.
One more thing: the bible doesn't say, anywhere at all, that Noah took 2 of each and every animal existing at the time on board the ark. I don't
know what could have wiped them out and then brought them back--I won't guess. But I do know that the
argument isn't a valid defense, because it's not even based on anything in the bible--poor
translations and ignorance of the Hebrew originally used has led to this illogical idea.
The things Noah took on the ark appear to be the same 'beasts'
that Ezekiel saw on the 'wheel within a wheel:'
that is, except for
Of fowls (of bird that flies) after their kind (portion), and of cattle (of cattle) after their kind (portion), of
every creeping thing (whole reptile) of the earth (red soil) after his kind (portion), two (couple) of every shall (of
whole) come (come) unto thee (toward), to keep alive. (keep/preserve/revive)
As for the likeness (resemblance) of their faces (face) they four (four) had the face (face) of a man (man of
red—Adam), and the face (face) of a lion (young lion), on the (toward) right side (south): and they four
(four) had the face(face) of an ox (bullock/cow) on (from) the left side (north); they four (four) also had
the face face) of an eagle. (large bird)
Add Noah to the top one, and he becomes the ‘adam’ on board—and substitute the reptile
for the young lion
—and there certainly
seems to be a connection.
I found a couple of better pictures, too, but I'll come back and post them.