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The Rapture happened last thursday.

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posted on Jun, 23 2006 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
You don't need to be a biblical literalist to be a christian. You don't need to receive communion to be a christian. Hitler was a christian. Joseph Smith was a christian. Pope JPII was a christian. Even, yes, Jerry Fallwell, is a christian.


You can look at Hitler's life and know he was not a christian. Joseph smith added to the Bible and did not follow Christ. Pope JP2 belonged to a group that has tainted the gospel message. Jerry Falwell sticks his foot in his mouth to much. He also says something that is completely Biblical then feels the heat and ridicule fro the world and recants.

With the exception of Hitler only God knows if the others are saved.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

There are tares among the wheat.




posted on Jun, 23 2006 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38
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Hmm.. what if it were true, but it was for the rest of the world's benefit?


That is one of the most interesting things you have ever said.

It's even going to come to this for christians and will be the rationalization for those doing it:John 16:2 the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.


[edit on 23-6-2006 by dbrandt]



posted on Jun, 23 2006 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by Nygdan
You don't need to be a biblical literalist to be a christian. You don't need to receive communion to be a christian. Hitler was a christian. Joseph Smith was a christian. Pope JPII was a christian. Even, yes, Jerry Fallwell, is a christian.


You can look at Hitler's life and know he was not a christian.


What are you talking about? Of course Hitler was a Christian!


In 1934, Hitler said, "National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity . . . For their interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of today, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life . . . These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles!"


And Jim Jones and David Koresh were also Christians. I bet Koresh knew a lot more about the Bible than you do. Oh, sure, a lot of these contemporary wimpy Christians with their guitar services and hand waving and conception of Jesus as a peaceful hippie think they invented Christianity and they're the only true Christians. But they couldn't be more wrong. It's all a lot of ego-centrism and self-indulgence.

I bet you barely consider Catholics to be Christian. And forget about the Eastern Orthodox Christians, right? You probably think those Eastern Orthodox Christians are just below Jews on the Christianity scale, huh?



Or what about those voodoo Santeria folks? That's a Christian derivation, too.



Everybody thinks they have the patent and copyright to proper Christianity. What a joke!



posted on Jun, 23 2006 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
It's even going to come to this for christians and will be the rationalization for those doing it:John 16:2 the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.


I've already died that death, dbrandt. I'm not scared to do it again, either.

Would you be willing to die for your testimony?



posted on Jun, 23 2006 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38
Would you be willing to die for your testimony?


Yes, I would

I also find it interesting that you flirted with the idea of a rapture , when you thought of a perceived benefit that fits your theology.



posted on Jun, 23 2006 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
You can look at Hitler's life and know he was not a christian.

If you really cared if he was or not, you'd have looked up something about him and instantly have known that YES Hitler considered himself a christian. He was driven intently, for a time, by the desire to obtain the spear that was said to have pierced Christ's side on the cross. When he led his forces into Prague (?) Poland, he marched right into the museum and took his prize.

What a glorious christian victory, huh?

Let's see, what else was Hitler famous for?.....oh yeah. Check this out:


This estimated number is given by Martin Gilbert in his excellent book "Atlas of the Holocaust". It represents the authentic (analysis) total of Jews exterminated between September 1th, 1939 and May 8th, 1945. The total of the Jewish victims is just over 5,750,000 and is based on such country by country and region by region records as survive.


jewishgen.org

Is that your boy, dbrandt? Is he the type of people that make you proud to call yourself by a name you don't even understand??!?!

5,750,000 people!!! Innocent victims led like lambs to the slaughter in the name of your precious savior....


Jerry Falwell sticks his foot in his mouth to much. He also says something that is completely Biblical then feels the heat and ridicule fro the world and recants.




With the exception of Hitler only God knows if the others are saved.

:shk: Judge not, dbrandt....

I actually just checked on that for you, dbrandt. God told me that Hitler is recovering, and he'll probably come back for another try in a few years. He's been real traumatized from having to face his personal judgment on the other side. It's taken him up until last year, in fact! Because he's had to experience all his deeds, good and bad, standing in the other set of shoes... I daresay he will be a much different soul when he comes back.
God also said that what makes Him mad is liars and robbers--murderers He can tolerate and actually it is better in certain cases of extreme conflict between two people, that one might take leave of the planet for a while. It hurts no one in the end. But liars wound many many people and those that fall for their lies are not any less to blame. What is even worse than that is the matter that is before Him right now--the robbing of His chosen people's heritage and their Torah. Turned into blasphemy by His outcast son and latched on to by christianity...

Well, that's all I'm going to write to you about this. I've got to go read a certain scroll and find a certain dragon I know and cast him into the lake of fire...

The time has come for this deception to come undone.





posted on Jun, 23 2006 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
I also find it interesting that you flirted with the idea of a rapture , when you thought of a perceived benefit that fits your theology.

I flirt with no lie and no stolen delusion matters to me.

Your religion is about to turn to ashes, dbrandt, right before your eyes.

Armageddon you dreaded and it's here.

No rapture, either. I told you so!!! :shk:



posted on Jun, 23 2006 @ 11:49 PM
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And it is said: BELIEFS CREATE BEHAVIORS

Obviously 99% of Christians believe that lying is not bad, gossiping, stealing, etc.

Hitler was just like them just more extreme.

If people truely believed that lying, stealing, killing were all bad, then they would not do or support the doing of them.



posted on Jun, 23 2006 @ 11:56 PM
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First of all, the end times as it is percieved in the Bible will not work in bringing everyone in to spirituality, aka one in Christ. Why??? Because violence does not work in changing the attitude of people and their beliefs!! Look at the Russian Revolution. They tried to create a utopian socialist society through and all that came out was disaster. THere are so many examples of violence only temporarely working in changing society but they always fail. How should killing 2/3 of the world be any different?



posted on Jun, 24 2006 @ 01:15 AM
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Are you saying that to me, Dances With Angels? about the killing 2/3?

If so, then I agree. That's not to be taken literally, anyway. Besides physical death is not so bad when you understand that reincarnation is true--that is what resurrection is, except with resurrection you get your memory back...

Amazing!! 6000 years of memories, thank goodness it is not all at once...



posted on Jun, 24 2006 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38

Originally posted by dbrandt
It's even going to come to this for christians and will be the rationalization for those doing it:John 16:2 the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.


I've already died that death, dbrandt. I'm not scared to do it again, either.

Would you be willing to die for your testimony?


Wow.............those demons are really getting hard to control huh?

Jesus is Lord.............oops....................Best get control of them before everyone notices.




posted on Jun, 25 2006 @ 12:01 AM
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If you discount the rapture and religion, then why is armegeddon/apocalypse still on the menu?

Are we hoping it's more than mismanagment? That way there's still a fail-safe?



posted on Jun, 25 2006 @ 12:28 AM
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He doesn't come twice, he doesn't come silent, and he comes at the last trumpet. Rev says there are 7 trumpets, and Christ comes at the LAST TRUMPET.

1Cor. 15:52: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Thess 4:15: For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.



**Emphasis mine**



posted on Jun, 25 2006 @ 09:39 AM
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posted on Jun, 25 2006 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by NumberMan
enjoy


I have heard all of that before. I say there is enough proof in the Bible that says it's real.

Luke 12:[36] And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
[37] Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
[38] And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.



posted on Jun, 25 2006 @ 06:24 PM
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There won't be a rapture, people that look forward to such things disgust me. They are the kind of people that would kill you if the voices in their head told them to. It's a good thing we have the electric chair to relieve their symptoms.



posted on Jun, 25 2006 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by laiguana
There won't be a rapture, people that look forward to such things disgust me. They are the kind of people that would kill you if the voices in their head told them to. It's a good thing we have the electric chair to relieve their symptoms.


OK, I'm serious, fill in the blank, the rapture is a bad thing because___________.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
OK, I'm serious, fill in the blank, the rapture is a bad thing because___________.

it makes God out to be a liar, and Jesus into a false prophet. :shk:

Let every man be a liar, but God is TRUE. Christ is the truth, the way, and the light.
His prayer:


I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
(John 17:15 KJV)


It makes you look rather inconsistent, too, dbrandt, considering what you answered when I asked if you would die for your testimony:


Originally posted by dbrandt
Yes, I would


What would be reward of 'overcoming' if there were a rapture to rescue the potential 'overcomers' from having to 'overcome' to the end?


And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
(Revelation 12:11 KJV)


[edit on 6/27/2006 by queenannie38]



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by queenannie38
[It makes you look rather inconsistent, too, dbrandt, considering what you answered when I asked if you would die for your testimony:



No, it doesn't because at any moment a person could face a time of testing. There were at least 3 christians killed in the Columbine shootings in '99. They were targeted for their faith.

Yes there will be a rapture before the tribulation. Does that mean that there won't be christians dying for their faith before that event, No. christians have been persecuted and killed in the past and currently still are in some countries.



posted on Jun, 27 2006 @ 09:55 AM
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Christ does not refer to a "rapture". It is the creation of new agers and people so caught up in their newfound belief passages are interpreted to support this modern theory.

And since when does the murder of any human, Christian or not, serve as evidence of a "2nd coming", or rapture, or armeggedon..??

it seems "Christians" are most at ease with their beliefs when people are being slaughtered, the middle east is on the verge of war, when they read only news of terror and fear that relief is found in their Faith.

You should reread your Bibles, especially the part where Christ speaks for himself, and not where others interpret his words. Its very plain, simple,and straightforward; administer to the sick, the dying, the incarcerated, the homeless, hungry and thirsty. Visit the Aids wards and social centers.
if you cannot do this, you do not understand what Christ Taught. Your caught up with the scribes whom Christ admonished for studying law and not knowing what it meant.

Hold a child stricken with Aids. Wash the sheets of the sick and infirmed. then you can claim to touch the face of God.



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