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posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:16 AM
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Yes , if they really want to do something, north corea is a big problem, china is a comunist country but yet the us have strong relations whith their leaders, yet china invaded tibet and killed and imprisoned monks and other who spoke against them.
The last thing I am is anti-american, my wife is american 100% , but I do cary alot of disgust for the curent US adinistration, with an idiot leading it and taking united states to new low levels never been before.
Most europians do not have anything against us citizens, but are against US
curent administration, mostly all europians are against the us administration, most of the world is against the us administration, if you want to stay there in your little cocon that is your busines, but I know that those who think like you are very few there, and most of the us citizens woke up and agree with the rest of the world, 2008 will be a historical date, and americans cant wait for it, it will bring a change, and all of them will be happy"bush is leaving office"




posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by XyZeR
if i hated America, why did i bother to learn English


You can still be anti-American and learn English.
English is THE international language for business now.
It makes good sense economically to learn English.
I don't know your motivations for learning English.
I don't care what they were. It's your business.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:23 AM
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Flyersfan,

"Oh for pete's sake ... even Bill Clinton has stated that isn't true.
If we wanted to take over oil fields we would go into Venezuela -
they are closer and much easier to take over. If we wanted to
take over Iraqi and Kuwaiti oil fields we would have kept them in
Gulf War I instead of giving them back when we liberated them"

Isn't Venezuala one of your next tagerts occording to the threath your president does?

And Kuwait is already on your hands since the first gulf war, so you don't need to invade them, otherwise you would probable stayed. And you have anough troops there to make influence.

[edit on 21/6/2006 by rai76]



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by rai76
First of all there are dozen countries were people are
slaughtered and that needs very much the same attention.

And where is the UN? Asleep at the wheel or paid off.


you chozen Iraq just because this country has the
best opportunities for the US.

Having Iraq and Afghanistan free of terrorist regimes definately
helps America the most. Having them free squeezes Iran and
with freedom on both sides, there is a greater chance that it too
will no longer be a threat to the world.

Of course we will help those who it's in our best interest to help first.


new European countries that just wanted to look good to the US.

That's being judgemental. Poland understands what it is to be under the
yoke of oppression. So do many of the other countries listed. They may
have wanted to impress; they may have wanted perks later; or they may
have been doing the decent thing - helping others who were in the same
situation they were in.


'Old Europe' ... it's not that strange they didn't wanted to join

Yes .. it's not that strange ... Saddam and his payoffs of
France and Germany definately made it 'not that strange'.

It's funny how you accuse those who joined the Coalition of joining
just to 'look good' to America but then you claim higher values to those
who didn't want to join.



Because of you we have terrorism threaths
all the time everywere in Europe.

Hardly. There have always been terrorist activities throughout
Europe. America didn't cause them. You are scapegoating.


I do believe in the UN, although its corrupt in your eyes.

It's not corrupt in my eyes. It's just plain CORRUPT.
It's a cesspool of corruption. The Security Council can
be bought off in the blink of an eye.


I believe in the way they want to achieve world peace.

Yeah, they sure did a good job ... leaving Iraqis to die by the hundreds
of thousands. Leaving Rwanda ... shall I go on??


Look at your own country, I believe it's far more
corrupt than the UN will ever be.

Then you have anti-American blinders on.


that was a big lie, cause they never found anything.

Again ... go read Valhalls thread.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:35 AM
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Flyersfan,

Yeah, they sure did a good job ... leaving Iraqis to die by the hundreds
of thousands. Leaving Rwanda ... shall I go on??

Yeah and how long did it take for you to decide Europe and the rest of the world needed help in World War II. How many people already died before you diceded to take action? At the end when you couldn't ignore it anymore and you had too and you were forced.

What about my reaction about your county being the biggest supporter of Al Queda and helping them making the biggest threath of the world and making us part in your war to them??

[edit on 21/6/2006 by rai76]



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by rai76
Look at your own country,

Crime stats for America
www.disastercenter.com...

Almost 50% are racial problems.

That's just plain silly.

How can you judge other countries ...

oh please.


It is entirely appropriate to judge Saddam wrong when he mass murders by the hundreds of thousands.
It is entirely appropriate to judge Saddam when he mass rapes and has official
government rape rooms.
It is entirely appropriate to judge Saddam when he steals BILLIONS from the
Iraqi people (causing them starvation and death through loss of medical care).
It is entirely appropriate to judge that when Saddam says he has WMD; uses
it on the Kurds; and then threatens to massively use it ... it is entirely
appropriate to judge that for our own protection and for the protection of the
poor people who can't defend themselves that this is a situation that can't
be allowed to continue on course.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by sbob

Please open your culture up to examination more, so we can show you our view. Maybe the you will call me hateful or not, but at least we are opened up for examination and allegations.



There wouldn't be much of a difference, you see most conspiracies revolve around a security complex throughout the entire west. just an example: www.theregister.co.uk... EU bureaucracy handing over data of euro citizens to anyone who wants to take a gander. this court ruling stopped the program ~half a year after its introduction. it's of course irrelevant now, because probably millions of people's data has been sent to who-knows-who.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by rai76
Look at your own country,

Crime stats for America
www.disastercenter.com...

Almost 50% are racial problems.

That's just plain silly.

How can you judge other countries ...

oh please.






And what about the murders and the rapes I mentioned cause my information come from the same site.

Don't judge about other leaders and people if you have enough problems with killing eachother in your own country. And this is just 10 YEARS.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by rai76
Yeah and how long did it take for you to ...

You are bringing up something from 60 years ago. Complaining because
we took so long to join WWII and yet you now complain because we acted
so quickly. Make up your mind. Too slow or too fast? (America just can't
get the timing right, eh?
) Either way, you still didn't get the point
... the UN does NOTHING - it left the Iraqis and it left Rwanda, etc etc etc.


What about my reaction about your county ....


What about it? Your opinion is without fact. Provide facts.
Good luck with that.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:42 AM
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Why should Americans care what the Europeans think? After all, Europe's just some little island off the coast of Delaware innit?



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Come on people, don't you think introducing the word 'hate' into these discussions is a bit much? Europeans and Americans are connected by a very strong bond and if we, the great unwashed, allow the spoutings of far-removed 'politicians' to cloud our perceptions, then it is a poor do.

We are all meant to be on the same 'side' you know. Americans may claim not to care for Europe, and vice versa, but the fact is, we need each other.


Thank you. All this talk of hate gets us no where. How can you hate someone you have never met? How can you hate on mass? You might have differing opinions, values and belief's but HATE. Such a strong emotion. No wonder the world is screwed up with attitudes such as some we have seen displayed in this engagement. To be honest it is like 5-year olds in the play ground...

For the record no one likes the government regardless. We don't like our own and we don't like 'yours' either. Par for the course.

And...yes it is hard to get into the US but it is harder to get into many other countries so what. Don't go. We/you do have choices. If restrictions are placed on American's getting into Europe and it all becomes too hard you can always come downunder - we need the tourist dollars..just don't bring George with you..





[edit on 21/6/2006 by Lady of the Lake]



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:46 AM
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Google is your friend. Use it.
The search feature here is your friend. Use it.
It's all there. I'm not going to hand feed you.

No you have to show it, it's your argument, so got any proof for it?
If you have it show it, if not we are just going to dismiss it as a wild clame.
Link with credible source please.


Saddam mass murdering by the 10s of thousands isn't stability.
Saddam mass raping isn't stability.
Saddam going to war for a decade with Iran and causing the deaths
and dismemberment of millions isn't stablity.
Saddam taking over Kuwait and then butchering them and using
a torched earth policy with hundreds of oil fields burning - isn't stability.
Saddam constantly violating UN regulations for No Fly Zones isn't stability.
Saddams sons torturing olympians and athletes isn't stability.
Saddam stealing billions from the Iraqis and letting them starve isn't stability.
Saddam stealing billions from the Iraqis and not getting them medical care isn't stability.
Saddam refusing to have real elections for 40 years isn't stability.

Tru true true, but no where close
www.iraqbodycount.net...


Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq
Min
38475
max
42889

and for details
www.iraqbodycount.net...
It's no where close to the masacre that is going on now.



The Kurds were killed with WMD. It's a well known fact.

Those were gone, distroied in the first war, operation desert storm.
What I'm asking you is where are the wmds that bush claimed saddam had before the present war, where are they, got any little proof of them?



Oh for pete's sake ... even Bill Clinton has stated that isn't true.

Even bill clinton???, bill clinton was one of the best presidents, united states had since the 90's, dont compare clinton with bush, clinton didint go in because he knew what would be expected.


If we wanted to take over oil fields we would go into Venezuela -

At the curent time the us is imposing sanctions on venesuela.


they are closer and much easier to take over

at the curent time the us administration does not have a pretex to go in venesuela,if they did I asure you it would be the first place, there is alot of oil.


Mean while the US administration is suporting saudy arabian lords, which denny simple human rights to woman, it's suporting a dictatorial reijime, united states also has diplomatic ties with china which killed and imprisoned thoulsands of tibetians as well as it's own citizens from china that are locked up for political reasons, china is a comunist party, how do you see that?


WMD were used on the Kurds. Thousands died from them.

those are wmds from passed desert storm war era that were eliminated.
For curent wdms there si no proof.

saddam and radical muslims never got along, in fact iraq was the only country which was out of the range of radical muslims, saddam was never a fan of religion, he didint care about it, he had his own ways, terrorists that you see now are not related to saddam, they are groups which had been sielenced by saddam's reijime, most of them come from other places and do not come from iraq, few that do come from iraq were not active under the saddam's rule, terrorists are in activity now because the whole country is in a civil war.





[edit on 21-6-2006 by pepsi78]



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:48 AM
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I repeat!!!



Originally posted by TheBandit795
Ahh... Articles like these are just feeding the divide. Just to lock in more Anti-Europe or Anti-US reactions like those posted earlier in this thread. Wake up people!!!




posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by rai76
Yeah and how long did it take for you to ...

You are bringing up something from 60 years ago. Complaining because
we took so long to join WWII and yet you now complain because we acted
so quickly. Make up your mind. Too slow or too fast? (America just can't
get the timing right, eh?
) Either way, you still didn't get the point
... the UN does NOTHING - it left the Iraqis and it left Rwanda, etc etc etc.


What about my reaction about your county ....


What about it? Your opinion is without fact. Provide facts.
Good luck with that.


797.021 were killed by murders during 1960-2004. Look it up yourself!! That could be a whole country in Europe or where ever!!

www.disastercenter.com...

Shall I give you the rape rates too or do you want to count yourself?



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Yeah and how long did it take for you to ...

You are bringing up something from 60 years ago. Complaining because
we took so long to join WWII and yet you now complain because we acted
so quickly. Make up your mind. Too slow or too fast? (America just can't
get the timing right, eh?
) Either way, you still didn't get the point
... the UN does NOTHING - it left the Iraqis and it left Rwanda, etc etc etc.



Yes I do that because you have much greater interests in Afghanistan or Iraq than you had at that time for Europe and at the end you were forced to help us. And you don't here me saying I am not thankfull for that. Thats why you wanted to invade them so quickly.

The big difference with the UN is, is that THEY want world peace and have no interests in oil, or whatever. And they do not wants to occupy countries like you do.

And mayb they are corrupt, I didn't see any proof of that, (and I don't care) they want world peace and not through out wars.

[edit on 21/6/2006 by rai76]



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 09:08 AM
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Just because the goverments dont get along dosnt mean the people cant.
Jeeezzz....

most of you people in this thread are debateing/arguing about something thats
not even in place yet, also something the gov's are doing ! I dont think the average
european person hates americans, I also dont think the average american hates
europeans. Of course there are a few bad apples in every crowd.

Stop making a barrier in your minds right now !



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by imbalanced
Just because the goverments dont get along dosnt mean the people cant.
Jeeezzz....

most of you people in this thread are debateing/arguing about something thats
not even in place yet, also something the gov's are doing ! I dont think the average
european person hates americans, I also dont think the average american hates
europeans. Of course there are a few bad apples in every crowd.

Stop making a barrier in your minds right now !


I never said I hate anyone, this have nothing to do with hate in my eyes!



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 09:14 AM
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Then why the argument?

You, Pepsi and Flyersfan?? Don't you get it? Read my post 10 times please..



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 09:17 AM
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Sorry wastn implying "EVERYONE" just the people that "SEEMED" to be
heated over the wrong stuff.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
Then why the argument?

You, Pepsi and Flyersfan?? Don't you get it? Read my post 10 times please..


I see your point and you are of course right. "Articels like this are feeding the devide".

But I see it also as a good dicussion
and no hate for me!



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