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Originally posted by whatukno
If I recall correctly Steam driven cars were pretty clean themselves. They ran on kerosine to heat the water. The Stanley Steamer (the car not the carpet company) could do about 130 miles an hour. I bet if we reviseted this consept we might find our answer is in the old steam engine with hydrogen fuel cells. the exhaust could suplement the boiler.
I know archaic but thats me
Originally posted by ADHDsux4me
As much as all of this is a good idea, you know it won't happen at least in the next 25 years.
The status quo will be maintained as long as Oil Lobbyists, and Big- Oil Republicans remain alive and in office. Maintaining the status quo, is all that concerns them.
Notice instead of embracing new ideas the Gubment, made a paltry gesture to learn new fuel alternatives, for our addiction to foreign oil. Hmm Mr. Bush, don't you think you and your family has helped that Oil along a little?"
Love yer Jesus, Love yer Rifle, Love yer Gas-Guzzlin SUV, as long as "I'm" making money on oil.
The rich get richer, stay rich, and the poor are all obviously tree-hugging, green tie dyed flag waving beatnick hippies, with upstart wacko ideas which will shake-the big oil money, right off the tree.
(addendum) I have nothing against Christians, Nor Tree Hugging Hippies, lol.
I felt ranty...
Originally posted by BitRaiser
Hrmm... I'd worry about potential impacts of that much steam polution. Think about... with the number of cars on the road these days, if they were all to produce steam it could impact local humidity. Instead of smog, you'd end up with fog. Real fog! And rain... and mildew... and thermal disruptions to weather patterns... ya see where I'm going?
My point is that anyone technology can look good, but if you look at it hard you'll see it's downside.
Same goes for hybrids.
There's several obsicals in this technology's path towards "solving everything".
First, there's popular adoption. You need the masses to pick up the technology and run with it. The people have to make it their standard. This can happen quite quickly (Cellphones as a case in point), but only in the right circumstances.
There must be clear benifet to the consumer. The new technology must be clearly better before they'll abandon what they have.
The cost must be comprable. Plasma/LCD TVs did not start to replace existing CathodeRay based sets until their cost came down to a compairable level (still a little high... thus I don't have one yet).
IF costs can be dropped to the point where a new/firsttime car buyer can consider buying a hybrid AND the hybrids preform as well as or better (as some reports have stated) than gas only cars, the market will naturally gravitate towards going hybrid.
Second, it doesn't end Peak Oil... it delays it. Infact, it delays it less than you'd think.
Think about it. You plug these cars in to charge up on electricity. Where does that electricty come from?
More than likely, it comes from a powerplant that is burning fossil fuels. Now you've put more of a load on those powerplants and what will they have to do? Burn more fuel.
SO, by going to hybrid technology would only move the problem... it wouldn't lessen the demand for oil nearly as much as you first thought. Infact, it might even increace oil demand (depending on how efficent the plants are and what fuel they are burning).
SO... it's not a winning plan, UNLESS you look at overall power generation issues and commit to dealing with those as well. Nuclear Power is the only major source we know of that can provide for our demands while not increasing demand for oil.... but we ran away from it as an option. We need to think about returning to nuclear energy. Fortunatly, some folks are...
Check this out. This could become a HUGE shot in the arm for alternate power production. ITER is trying to beat the Fussion Barriar through good old fashioned size. It's BIG. The goal is to create the first ever exo-thermic fussion reaction.
(For those who don't know, fussion is way less radioactive than fission, which is our current standard nuclear power technology)
What this could mean is that we would have access to sustainable, renewable, non-poluting, and cheap power.
Suddenly, hybrids are not only practical, but they could well become inferrior to electric only cars!
So... with all of the above in mind, I propose to you that there will never be a single techonolgy that will ever solve everything, but combined technologies could.
While we're waiting for ITER to come on-line, we should be working with what we have. Conventional nuclear power. Wind, wave, and sun. More efficent power storage devices. Hell, someone give John Hutchison a grant!!