Lets apply Quantum Physics this week

Originally posted by mecheng
Hey... Check this out!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I ask you, coincidence???

So what do you guys (skeptics too) think about this? Here's a case where William One Sac was diagnosed with cancer a couple days ago. Many, many people here prayed and wished for his recovery. By the end of the day yesterday it was discovered that he was misdiagnosed and will be ok after all. I think this website's positive thinking and prayer helped change the reality of a negative situation into a positive one. I know this one case doesn't prove anything overall and that it could easily be chalked up as coincidence, but you hear of stories like this and like Lazarus' (see above) all the time. All of these stories collectively can't just be coincidence. I think it's time for mainstream science to explore the power of the mind further (actually I'm pretty sure they already are) and for the general public to stop writing this stuff off as simply coincidence. What do you think?

edit: sorry, double post... twitchy index finger this morning.

[edit on 27-6-2006 by mecheng]

Originally posted by ixiy
Wow if this is true, can you form a positive thinking group to stop global warming?
Humans can go on to pollute the planet if we know that this can prevent global warming.

let me try dnero, I am with ya...

Ixiy: what you state is essentially true... let me follow it thru the process of positive thinking = positive effect...

here is where the issues of momentum and syncronicity come into play...
for example:
if a billion people started thinking positivly about the state of the enviroment, AND TOOK ACTION accordingly... then the other 5.5 billion would feel the wave of change (the vibes)... they would stop feeling so complacent about their attitude towards the environment, they would hear the need for change daily... they would accordingly be swept up in the change, and become part of the momentum...

A negative version of this is the way that wars are usually started... our leadership manipulates, and yes, even manifests a surge of "hate the enemy" and so does the others side...
propaganda works in this way...
its time to propagandize for good!

on a deeper worldwide level... these changes are a replacement of nuetral ones, for positive ones... or negative ones...

I choose positive... and as you can see, there isn't anything "lazy" about it...

and mechung: i agree... i think yesterday was a fluke, one that was probably gained by positive thinking...
what made the doctors check again... and find the mistake?
how is WOS feeling today? probably better than he has in a while...

What makes you think serious scientists HAVEN'T investigated the "powers of the mind" for the past 100 years? What makes you think they aren't doing it today?

No, that wasn't sarcasm. It was a "where did you get that knowledge from?" Generally where it comes from are books and websites that will "show you how to increase your powers" all with the twist of "science scoffs but we know it's true" or "the government/science doesn't want you to know this."

Go to scholar.google.com... and search for any phrase you like. You'll find one or more academic has worked on it.

As to the "what made the doctor recheck the scan of WOS" -- it is standard medical procedure to have scans reviewed by more than one person. In cases where the news looks bad, they may have a second and third and fourth review by teams and other specialists.

Originally posted by Byrd
What makes you think serious scientists HAVEN'T investigated the "powers of the mind" for the past 100 years? What makes you think they aren't doing it today?

I'm assuming you're addressing me with this question and I believe I agreed with you. Please see what I wrote in parenthesis:

I think it's time for mainstream science to explore the power of the mind further (actually I'm pretty sure they already are)

IMO though, I don't know if using your mind to alter your reality can be considered mainstream science yet do you? How many people, when told that you can directly influence your reality by using your mind will listen without laughing? I sat at dinner with my family Friday and told them what I've been finding out and out of six of them, one (and he visits this site also) was really interested and and listened to what I was saying without rolling his eyes or laughing.

it is standard medical procedure to have scans reviewed by more than one person.

But at what point do these types of stories no longer be considered coincidences? The problem with trying to prove this works is that there's is no direct physical link. No one will know for sure if we did or didn't influence WOS's reality. But you can't say for certain we didn't just like I can't say for certain we did.

Thanks for clearing WOS status up for us byrd...
I hope he is feeling "enegized" with his news, and the well wishes and positive vibes of so many...

And i agree, this "theory" has been played many times, with one crucial missing element, and that is what WTBDWK is trying to show...
a connection to a scientific reason... that is loose, (as loose as our QP theories) but makes much more sense, than calling that which we dont understand- magic...

the process works, and you have thousands of well known successful people that have studied, and promoted this...

but why did it work? becuase of personal effort... of course, but the part that couldn't be explained is the syncronicity effect, that kept being noted...

You seemed to always get more out of the system, than the effort put in... and their was no understandable reason...

ever heard the expression "that person is a force of nature"?
known a few myself that could be described that way, and they all had some things in common...
ambition, determination, focus, and a lack of fear...
they were visionaries... and now with WTBDWK i understand what a visionary is, and why...

they are magnets of positiveness... and they can attract like minded people to their cause, without even meeting them...

I used to call it magic... , so QP becomes the scientific explaination
can't argue with results, even without totally understanding the reason...

Ok, I am sorry, I think I misunderstood.

I am normally a negative person, even with my negative attitude and negative energy, i very seldomly fail in my task. I do my work expecting the worst to happen and it almost always never happens. But when i do my tasks expecting the best results (positive thinking), I normally get the worst results instead.

This cycle has made me an even more negative person since negativity works for me. I guess it is just my luck. Thats why I try not to think positivily on anything, it almost always turns out bad for me. For me, positive thinking is posion pill, the last resort when all else fails. I must be very different from the normal person.

Hard logic seems to work better for me than faith.

Go ahead and pity me, I must be a cursed mutant or something like that.

I so totally get you ixiy...
I beleive the term could be called - contrarian (or noun- contrary)

I heard about such people in Wicca, and one of the tenants of how to work with them, is to work backwards... (it all still works, but in the way it can)

the following only applies to someone who is a contrarian/negatist... (nothing wrong with being one... different strokes- different folks).

they believe that they cannot predict, or ever be right about anything that they think "will happen" so by saying "i am sure i will get fired today" they are saying in essence "I wont get fired today, because i am always wrong"- so therefore...
you wont get fired...

or ie: maybe another way to get the benefit
say "i will never fall in love" and since you are "always wrong" in your pedictions...
you fall in love...

the key, is taking away power from the negative, by attaching your negativity to it (you are countering it)...
two negatives make a positive...

people that are hopelessly negative can benefit in this way... but in my opinion, it is slightly dangerous to do so...
so be careful ixiy

but again... as the buddists say... go with the flow of the river... you get farther...

I would like to propose something for everyone to try...

Get an object or word in mind, at the beginning of the day, RIGHT as you wake up... before you get up sit and think of that object or word, in as many ways as possible, in every light you can imagine, good, bad, red, blue... (yes visualize the word in colors, yet not limited to just colors,[anything that helps])
Now, most times if you have a busy day ahead of you, you might forget about the object or word... try to keep it somewhat under the surface, without constantly thinking about it....

Now don't think in definites one way or another that, "Yes, I will see my word or object" or that "No I won't see my object or word" Just observe the world in a manner in which you observe a movie, looking for meaning or reaon behind everything.... and I bet you, if you can utilize this properly... (you'll get a physical feelings, like an intuition eventually) and then you can manipulate what you create.. first you have to pay attention to how your manifestations come into reality, everyone is different, and 9 times out of 10 no ones can pay attention to their own mechanics or method of creation, thats why some majicians are better than others.. some understand themselves better.

ps... start with something simple, yet not something you know you come in contact with on a very regular basis... try odd types of things.. like a tulip or perhaps the word "cracker jack"....

This is a method for bringing yourself back into yourself... being aware of the things that are actually going on around you, as well as strengthening your creation techniques..

[edit on 27/6/06 by dnero6911]

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
I so totally get you ixiy...
I beleive the term could be called - contrarian (or noun- contrary)

I heard about such people in Wicca, and one of the tenants of how to work with them, is to work backwards... (it all still works, but in the way it can)

the following only applies to someone who is a contrarian/negatist... (nothing wrong with being one... different strokes- different folks).

they believe that they cannot predict, or ever be right about anything that they think "will happen" so by saying "i am sure i will get fired today" they are saying in essence "I wont get fired today, because i am always wrong"- so therefore...
you wont get fired...

or ie: maybe another way to get the benefit
say "i will never fall in love" and since you are "always wrong" in your pedictions...
you fall in love...

the key, is taking away power from the negative, by attaching your negativity to it (you are countering it)...
two negatives make a positive...

people that are hopelessly negative can benefit in this way... but in my opinion, it is slightly dangerous to do so...
so be careful ixiy

but again... as the buddists say... go with the flow of the river... you get farther...

I would like to touch on what you said about turning a negative into a positive by using another negative.. there is a mix up of understanding here I'm almost certain (not on your part.. just on the english language for portraying more than one thing) ..

I would like to address the fact that a negative on a negative is actually a positive... meaning..

For example...

NEG
I think negatively about my looks... I'm ugly.

NEG Used to Counter
My thinking I'm ugly makes me feel bad, thus makes me look sad, thus taking away from the youthfulness of joy.

What I'm getting at here is... You cannot use an actual negative to combat a negative, you have to use something "The Negative" thinks is negative....

Thanks for the advice LazarusTheLong, that probably explains why I only get lucky when I do stuff and think negativily about it at the same time, while thinking postivily brings me bad luck.

I must have bad mojo, or have a negative field surounding me most of the time and this is the way I have been countering it. the strange thing about it is, I feel happy thinking negativily because thats when i normally get lucky.

Weird isn't it, maybe i should buy Lotto, i have always had negative feelings about it but have never tried buying it before hahaaaa...heheheeee ........

ixiy:
Just be absolutely sure you wont win...!
then split it with me
good (bad) luck to you... break a leg...

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check out this film "what the bleep do we know down the rabbit hole"

Quantum Physics applys to observation, not wish fulfillment.
The collective projection of the world is based not upon desire, but upon belief.

If you can get the world to believe it is safe, than it is safe. If you can get people to believe they are at peace, then they are at peace.


When you figure out how to do that, send me a direct reply.

We currently live within a social and communications matrix which is based upon creating exactly the opposite response.

Good luck! May the elders of a gentle race be with you.

Check out the Institute of Noetic Sciences! They are way ahead here!