911 Eyewitness - A Complete Sham, page 1


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Topic started on 19-6-2006 @ 09:17 AM by wecomeinpeace
Back in December 2005, a new video suddenly surfaced in the 9/11 research community called 911 Eyewitness. The video was predominantly footage captured from the Frank Sinatra Pier (across the Hudson River from the WTC complex) as the events of 9/11 transpired. There were many arguments presented in the video, much of which were clearly disputable, outright speculation, or had already been known for years. But the single thing that made this video so intriguing was the recorded explosion-like sounds prior to the collapses of all three buildings.

Main arguments presented against the recorded sounds being explosions were:

1) No other video recordings had captured any explosion sounds prior to the collapses.

2) At one point in the video wind can be heard blowing across the microphone which makes a rumbling sound similar to the alleged explosion sounds.

3) Explosions in the basements of the towers would have produced seismic signal, however no publication of seismic records to confirm such existed.


Main arguments presented in favor of the recorded sounds being of actual explosions, or rebuttals of the above arguments, were:

1) No clear, unedited video with sound could be found for comparison that covered the time frame before the collapses when the sounds were recorded

2) The sounds alleged to be explosions were very dissimilar in intensity and waveform to the wind across the microphone sounds. The creators of the video maintained that the only equalization that had been performed on the sound was to reduce hiss and to slightly enhance the volume of the sounds.

3) If 9/11 was an inside job, seismic records showing explosions would obviously be suppressed. Seismic records for the period in question were unavailable for examination.

4) The recordings appeared to corroborate the numerous and independent eye-witness reports of explosions before the collapses.


The person who recorded the footage that day, Rick Siegel, exhibited some suspicious behavior when confronted online (including one or two times by myself) regarding the wind across the microphone question. He would constantly urge questioners - the majority of whom had downloaded the compressed version free of charge via Torrent - to buy the DVD which retailed for $19.95 or so. With the superior quality of the DVD sound compared to the compressed file, he maintained, one could easily distinguish that the "explosion" sounds and the wind across the microphone sounds were completely unalike in any way.

Rick claimed that the original footage had been stored online years ago in the database of the ISP which served his former company (the name escapes me at the moment, it may have been "OnlineTV") but was subsequently deleted/disappeared, and then later he was approached by some "folks in Europe" who had copies and suggested he go public with it. Thus we got 911 Eyewitness.

After searching around for some time, I have found a short, compressed online version of the original footage before the collapse of WTC1 without sound enhancements. You can clearly hear in this unaltered version that the sounds are indeed wind blowing across the microphone. There is no question in my mind. The video is located here:

www.terrorize.dk...

This fact, combined with Rick's bizarre and dishonorable behavior online, such as his accusing anyone who challenged his video of being "COINTELPRO", his constant urgings to "buy the DVD", the bogus arguments in the rest of the video, his attacks on other members of the truth movement, his creation of several different accounts on 9/11 websites where he "talked to himself", and his new video coming out (which you will have to pay to see in the cinema or buy the DVD) which includes claims of "mini-nukes" being used to take down the towers, have led me to believe that Rick is a scam artist out to either make money, or perhaps even to poison the well in regards to 9/11 research.

The bogus arguments presented in his original video include:

"Pyroclastic Clouds from the collapses prove explosives":



The clouds may have flowed and behaved somewhat like pyroclastic clouds, but they were clearly not, since pryoclastic clouds will destroy most anything in their path due to internal temperatures of up to 800ºC. People having survived immersion in the dust clouds from the collapses of the towers proves outright that they were not pyroclastic flows. However, the mystery still remains of the hundreds of completely burnt out vehicles surrounding the towers, and of the complete pulverization of the concrete, carpet, office equipment, and everything else into micro-dust.

"Mysterious flashes from helicopters just prior to the collapse of WTC2 suggest advanced technology used to trigger the collapse":



Even if you believe that some sort of "black" technology was used to bring down the towers, it is unlikely that such would take the form of lights being emitted from helicopters. The likely explanation is that the helicopter pilot turned on the flashing lights on the exterior of the helicopter when it entered the dark smoke cloud in order to make it visible to other aircraft.

"Positive trajectory ejections of debris prove explosives rather than gravity took the towers down":



AgentSmith showed that in still pictures the trajectories appear to be vertical, but when watching the actual footage it can be seen that this is an illusion created by the collapse sucking the dust trails downward somewhat, so that the origin of the debris dust trails appear to be lower than the pinnacle.


The content in the video which does hold debatable merit is:

1. The measurement of the speed of WTC7's collapse and it's comparison to free fall acceleration.

2. The eye-witness accounts, recorded from the radio playing nearby in real time, telling of explosions prior to the collapse of WTC1 and 2, and explosions and demolition characteristics in the collapse of WTC7.

3. Sudden appearance of white smoke clouds near the base of the towers before their collapses.


When the new 911 Eyewitness video comes out, I would be thoughtful about how you spend (or not spend ) your hard-earned cash. The truth is out there, Scully...but so are liars, con artists, and deliberate purveyors of disinfo... *Whistles X-Files tune*






[edit on 2006-6-19 by wecomeinpeace]


reply posted on 20-6-2006 @ 12:57 PM by billybob
a "COMPLETE" sham?

sham on you, WCIP.

you have based your analysis on a very questionable premise.

that being, that the sound IS the sound of wind. this is not a given, nor a proven.

because i respect you, i will analyse for myself the sound recording. i will get back. i may need to do some wind recordings myself.

my thinking, to get to the quick, is that wind pushes directly on the microphone diaphram, and wind would move it much more than even very loud sounds. and, IF the diaphram is being pushed physically by moving air, as opposed to vibrating air, then the effects of vibrating air on the diaphram will be overwhelmed by the scale of force of moving air.
in other words, IF it IS wind, then ambient sounds (like the radio) should 'duck' in volume as the much more violent, and much closer in proximity(touching is pretty close) wind dominates the bandwidth of the signal, effectively drowning out any nearby ambience.
if this effect is absent, i will have convinced myself, anyway, that the sounds are:
a. real
b. dubbed in

given that i agree with jones and siegel, i will go with a. until someone evidences that b. is more likely.

the 'pyroclastic' cloud CAN be pyroclastic without being as hot as a volcano. as bsbray points out, there is definitely rapid expansion. it is known that there was a HUGE amount of residual heat post-collapse, as evidenced by the molten steel 'running', and the extreme heat of the debris pile.

in light of the fact that prof. jones has detected thermate residue on the scrap steel, the molten steel, it is unlikely that the towers were NOT demolished with explosives and erosives. why should we be 'surprised' when we hear them?

if it was wind, how did rick get it to blow in sync with collapse?

the one particular trajectory that rick chose is not PROVEN to be what smitty says it is. and, in fact, we can see other 'comets' streaming UPWARDS in videos. we know that beams which weigh tons were hurled like spears hundreds of feet through the air, sticking into other towers, tens of storeys in the air.

why does the helicopter fly through the sticky, toxic smoke plume on a blue sky day(and i mean the flight path, not the hovering)?

frankly, i'm completely bewildered that you, of all people, WCIP would post such and inflammatory thread title. it's almost like you've 'switched sides'.

in order for 911eyewitness to be a "COMPLETE SHAM", the helicopter flashes would be CGI, the explosions dubbed in, the laws of gravity rewritten to suit a controlled demo theory of tower seven, the live radio broadcast from 1010wins fabricated, etc., etc.

INFLAMMATORY BEHAVIOUR FROM wcip!!! ???? EEEEEEEEEK!?!?!?!?!?!



reply posted on 20-6-2006 @ 02:13 PM by HowardRoark
Originally posted by mclarenmp4
WCIP also says that there are no seismic records of the underground explosions which is totally false, please read this link which has the seismic data half way down the page.

100777.com...


To the contrary, WCIP is totally correct when he states that there is no seismic evidence indicating that explosions preceded the collapses. Bollyn’s article is wrong. Even this conspiracy site readily admits that.

The “large spikes” that Bollyn talks about are actually the signals from the collapses themselves.
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