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Originally posted by rich23
You mentioned David Shayler earlier on. I saw him speak last year and he was adamant that 7/7 was a false flag op run by the security services. For those reading who think that the West has nothing to do with terrorism: Shayler was a whistleblower who came to prominence for revealing that - I'm going to put this in bold here -
MI6 paid AlQaeda £100,000 to assassinate Colonel Gadaffi -
which mission they cocked up, killing 3 innocent people.
He came across as a bit of a dick, actually, very arrogant about what he knows... but he did know about the AQ thing and the unacknowledged evidence about 7/7 suggests he's right there too.
Originally posted by rich23
As far as Western involvement with terrorism goes, there's also a lot of evidence to suggest that many, many people knew that there was a bomb aboard the Lockerbie flight but that it was allowed to fly anyway. A friend of mine was actually on that plane. He flew from Frankfurt to Heathrow sitting next to a US soldier who was pale, sweating, and terrified because he'd heard rumours that there was a bomb on the plane but this was the flight he'd been assigned to go on leave so he didn't have much choice. If an ordinary US soldier had heard about that, how many others must have known? Then there was plenty of talk from the Scottish police about US officials (CIA?) turning up VERY quickly at the scene and searching the wreckage, even removing items from the crime scene.
But the West doesn't support terrorism. OH no...
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
getting back to misrepresentations : i did not call you a moslem , so do not lie and say that i did ..... talk about hypocracy :flame;
nor have i attacked you -- i have attacked what you claim to have done , there is a difference
you totally failed to adress the issues of your tube behaviour / phone calls -- but instead truncated the arguments to delete the most important bits :toche:
at the risk of being branded circular once more -- i will re interate :
you carried out [ or claimed to ] a series of actions which you knew full well were detrimental to public saftey and security -- for your oun ends .
further your actions DELIBERATLY serve only to alienate and antagonise
that sir is why i asked about outrach and building bridges -- your reply that your conduct on ATS consitutes " outreach " is laughable -- as a majority of replies indicates
now you are claiming [ to paraphrase ] " it was a joke " well my bad --- maybe i lost my sense of humour sometime back in the 80s
Originally posted by fulcanelli
...In my own case, there are hundreds of my friends and relatives and acquaintances who are very well aware of my views because I have been extremely vocal about them for years...
...I would say that my having BEEN vocal about these issues, my own personal forays into activism and my discussing these issues here with you and others constitutes "outreach and education"
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
now you are claiming [ to paraphrase ] " it was a joke " well my bad --- maybe i lost my sense of humour sometime back in the 80s
Originally posted by Knights
Comically (in regard to the title of this thread), I would like to point out have people seen the footage of the bombers?...
...Now where is this conspiracy?
1. Note the clothing of the 'terrorists' and the fact they are ALL wearing rucksacks.
2. This picture is not as clear but shows each of the 'terrorist' boarding the various types of transport. Note the bus camera.
3. The train clearly looks as if it has been blown from the interior, I do not see any evidence of any exterior explosions.
Originally posted by Knights
Various quotes I recall being 'there were no asian men present' and/or 'the carriage was blown apart from the exterior of the carriage blowing the train upwards' (recalling from memory).
Originally posted by fulcanelli
there were the numerous eyewitness reports from survivors of the explosions who had been within the carriages themselves indicating that the bombs were indeed under the trains - Bruce Lait, a dance instructor from Cambridge, and his partner were practically sitting next to where there was an explosion, and reported to the cambridge news paper I believe that he saw the metal of the floor of the carriage bent upwards, as if the bomb was beneath the train. This was also attested to by numerous others, among whom there were several who were present in the carriages who assert that they so NO ASIAN LOOKING MEN, with or without the rucksacks, on the carriages before the explosions went off.
www.cambridge-news.co.uk...
"'The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag"
there were the numerous eyewitness reports from survivors of the explosions who had been within the carriages themselves indicating that the bombs were indeed under the trains
- Bruce Lait, a dance instructor from Cambridge, and his partner were practically sitting next to where there was an explosion, and reported to the cambridge news paper I believe that he saw the metal of the floor of the carriage bent upwards, as if the bomb was beneath the train. This was also attested to by numerous others, among whom there were several who were present in the carriages who assert that they so NO ASIAN LOOKING MEN, with or without the rucksacks, on the carriages before the explosions went off
If you happen to have some other proof of their involvement in terrorism of ANY SORT I would love to see it.
Originally posted by Knights
Please, please be my guest and post further sources, I am intrigued. The only relative explanation I can evaluate from the one source you have provided is the bomber would of most likely put his bag on the floor when sitting down and thus when the explosion went off it appeared to be originating from the floor. As you have stated the carriages were busy and most of the people were probably carrying bags or something similar. It would have been easy to misinterpret such detail.
- Bruce Lait, a dance instructor from Cambridge, and his partner were practically sitting next to where there was an explosion, and reported to the cambridge news paper I believe that he saw the metal of the floor of the carriage bent upwards, as if the bomb was beneath the train. This was also attested to by numerous others, among whom there were several who were present in the carriages who assert that they so NO ASIAN LOOKING MEN, with or without the rucksacks, on the carriages before the explosions went off
The site also mentions the following: "I remember an Asian guy, there was a white guy with tracksuit trousers and a baseball cap, and there were two old ladies sitting opposite me," he said. . The link you provided mentions NOTHING of any statements declaring there were no asian men on the carriage. I would be ever so greatful if you could provide a link for this to validate your story.The plot thickens.
Originally posted by fulcanelli
I don't believe I asserted that there was no asian man on the carriage
www.cambridge-news.co.uk...
"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.
An entropic explosion is an explosion in which the reactants undergo a large change in volume without releasing a large amount of heat.
As far as links to other testimony, here you'll find not only testimony from various sources with detailed references, but also testimony to corroborate my assertion that the characteristics of the damage caused both to the trains and to the passengers was completely inconsistent with the explosive used being TATP, as officially claimed. Also on the page is an mp3 link to the testimony of the guardian reporter I mentioned earlier, lots there for you to get your teeth into:
www.infowars.net...
It was then that the penny dropped. At the moment the suicide bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan blew himself up a few feet away, killing seven people in the train and injuring 163, Thomas had very likely been laughing.
Al-Qaida claims responsibility for 7/7 bomings
Last night, a video played on Arab television station al-Jazeera showed al-Qaida's deputy leader claiming the group was responsible for the London attacks.
Ayman al-Zawahri said the group had the "honour" of carrying out the bombings. It is the first time al-Qaida has claimed direct responsibility for the attacks. In previous statements, it simply blamed British foreign policy for the bombings.
The Metropolitan police had no immediate comment about the video.
The new report of a practice run for the bombings adds more weight to the theory that all four suicide bombers planned to detonate their rucksack bombs on the tube system. Three of the four bombers detonated their devices on underground trains while the fourth exploded his on a bus.
It is thought that the bus bomber, Hasib Hussain, was prevented from getting on the Northern Line on the day of the attacks because of disruption to the service.
www.guardian.co.uk...
"While piecing together events before the bomb went off, Thomas told his therapist how he had been sitting on the Circle line train, reading a book by one of his favourite German authors - Wladimir Kaminer, a Russian émigré who writes about absurd and improbable events in a world gone mad. In his "relive", Thomas recalled being in a good mood and finding the book, called Militärmusik, very funny. It was then that the penny dropped. At the moment the suicide bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan blew himself up a few feet away, killing seven people in the train and injuring 163, Thomas had very likely been laughing."