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posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 10:43 AM
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Greetings,

I found this really odd but i dont know if it could be naturally occured on the moon,
it is from your first pic Nrk .


Can anyone else see that odd chain looking thing in there??

Omega




posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 10:50 AM
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Hmm..interesting. It's hard to tell if thats a bit of naturally occurning geology or something else. Very interesting though. I didn't notice that before.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 11:01 AM
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I've been reviewing the images of craters with what appear to be tracks or roadways in the craters themselves. I feel these tracks are a natural phenomena caused by the settlement of the loose rock and soil following an impact.

All the craters over 40 miles wide have a central spire from the rebound of compressed rock after the impact, and then over possibly millions of years the craters have subsided and caused cracks in the surface. Almost no errosion occures on the moon other than further impacts that can throw debris off the surface and have it settle back down and put a new layer of rock and dust into the older craters.

Here's an image from Tyco that shows a good example of a central spire.
Though I have exagerated the topography 5x to show more detail.




posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 01:54 PM
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I think that is a good theory, yet would not a naturally occurring phenom. have more a more random effect in regards to the settling after impact?

I just can not get my mind around settling that occurs in track like patterns that appear to be parallel and adjacent to each other.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
I think that is a good theory, yet would not a naturally occurring phenom. have more a more random effect in regards to the settling after impact?

I just can not get my mind around settling that occurs in track like patterns that appear to be parallel and adjacent to each other.


I agree, I don't there is any chance that a natural phenom. could create settling such as that (in track patterns). It just doesn't seem very likely at all. You would most definately expect to see very random effects, specific to each different impact.



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 02:22 PM
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Omega,

By comparing the picture you have posted, with some that I have, I believe that what you have there is an extension, (out of focus) possibly a probe of some sort extending from the craft that took the photos.

Clementine had that same "probe" in a number of photos that were released.

Semper



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 02:31 PM
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Here is a similar object, more clearly shown I believe.








posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 04:35 PM
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I've found other cracks on crater floors that seem to back up my theory.
Large crater floors are going through a natural subsidence due to the rock being pulverized by the impact, and then gravity pulling down on the settled rock and dust to cause fissures in the regolith.

Clementine 40xx


Clementine 30xx


Schrodinger Crater - Clementine 40xx
This impact was so large that it created a center rebound ring instead of a center spire that you see in smaller craters.


This still appears to be a natural subsidence because I don't see this in small craters or on the surface areas with very few crater impacts.


Humboldt is a perfect example of this feature.

30xx


40xx


Notice how concentric some of the cracks are, like it's settled toward the back of the angle of the impact.



I love this feature on the crater floor.
Any ideas other than a double impact that could have caused the bull's eye ?

(You can see the feature in the top Humboldt image)



EDIT: I just want to add, I think these crack features need further scutiny. If it's seen in areas that seem out of place, we should investigate further. These cracks would be a good deception for surface roads. I'll see if I can spot any that traverse from one crater to another, or through a Mare..........


[edit on 21/6/2006 by anxietydisorder]



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 06:41 PM
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I've found several craters in the Clementine 40xx images that show anomalies when you zoom in. If anyone has an explanation for this I'd like to know........

See the black mark on the south side of the center crater beside Vallis Planck ?


I'll start to zoom in.


And then zoom down low.




But if I switch to 30xx from the same satelite, but different camera, the side of the crater is very bright and has no detail.




I've found simular anomalies in other craters, including Tycho when looking at the Clementine 40xx data sets at extreme zoom.

Here's an example of a fairly new crater west of Stormer, and you can see a simular block-out here.........




Any ideas ?
Is this a glitch because of the brightness, and Clementine couldn't process or transmit the data ?
I can post further examples if you want, and I find most of these glitches on areas that are very bright.

Your thoughts...............


EDIT: sp

[edit on 21/6/2006 by anxietydisorder]



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 06:59 PM
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Simular anomalies on the south-eastern wall of Tycho with the Clementine 40xx images.



And when I tilt to look at the crater wall they are still there.



EDIT: spelling

[edit on 21/6/2006 by anxietydisorder]



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
Here is a similar object, more clearly shown I believe.





Can I get coordinates for these images ?
Or a nearby landmark ?
I want to look that area up because I've seen something like it before while scanning the Moon.



EDIT: If any members on the team wants images of a particular crater, I'll look them up and post them. I have, (or can get), most of the Clementine data, including topographical images in good detail that could be interesting.
Just post a request with the location or name, and I'll see what I can find.
I'll be away tomorrow and possibly Friday for a family matter, but I'll try to keep tabs on the thread.

anx.............

[edit on 21/6/2006 by anxietydisorder]



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 09:48 PM
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I'm instructing this week and it really takes it out of me.

I'll get it as soon as I can.

Semper



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by Omega85
I see you point about the tracks, they are really odd, allmost like some machine did them or something?

And i have looked at the site about the clementine missions and i found this picture to be very interesting indeed.




Omega85,

The link or picture won't display for me, even though I've tried different variations.
Can you give it another try ?
I'd like to look it up to see what your refering to.

Thanx
anx


EDIT: Syntax

[edit on 21/6/2006 by anxietydisorder]



posted on Jun, 21 2006 @ 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by anxietydisorder
Omega85,

The link or picture won't display for me, even though I've tried different variations.
Can you give it another try ?
I'd like to look it up to see what your refering to.


Anx, i tried to get that pic again but for some strange reason that pic no longer exists?!
I know it was there when i first posted it though. how odd.

Semper great work on the probe thing, it really does have similer characteristics to the one that i have posted. i believe that , that is probably what it could be


Now on to the tracks. I have looked at the different pics of the tracks and i must say that the explanations given by anx along with his pics seem to be somewhat different in appearence to the tracks in question . that is just my observation though.
A crater impact would cause matter to blow outwards rather then up in the air for it to settle directly where the crater is wouldnt it?
Also i have thought about it and the only matter that would remain where the crater hit would be that which is directly under the impact zone itself, that would be commpressed if anything . any thoughts on this??

BTW, anx. that picture which you quoted to me showed up in your quote for some reason. i was refering to that block like object in that pic.
However i have tried to visit the URL of the pic and it sais it was removed, I am starting to save all pics i have of the luna surface for future reference to we wont run into this hiccup again.


By the way, U will all be recieving a U2U from me .

Many thanks Omega

[edit on 21/6/2006 by Omega85]



posted on Jun, 22 2006 @ 01:57 AM
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[edit on 22/6/2006 by anxietydisorder]



posted on Jun, 22 2006 @ 08:43 AM
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Alright, I've spent about the last two hours looking through some Clementine photos and I found a few very interesting ones to say the least. I'll post the links and a short bit about what it is we're looking at, and what I think we could be looking at. Here we go, the first image....

www.anomalous-images.com...
This is a stereo image showing part of the mosaic. Some of the more interesting anomalies include the unusual series of ridges or tunnels and the bright objects that appear within on above these linear features. The crater to the left center appears to have anomalous linear objects (mining transports?) parked near the edge.

www.anomalous-images.com...
This image shows a anomalous linear structures on the top of a dome.

www.anomalous-images.com...
This stereo image of the above structure was made from images taken with two different light filters at slightly different points on the orbit. Note the how unusual linear and radial structures within this area can be seen in both images, along with some differences.

www.anomalous-images.com...
This is a false color image processed with Maximum Entropy Deconvolution. This algorithm compensates for defocusing due to optical distortions.

www.anomalous-images.com...
This is a 2x enlargement of the image above. The large circular object resembles a satellite dish or possibly a large circular tank. (hydrogen?)

Take a look at these and let me know what you think. Some of these are very very interesting as they show some odd anomolies. I'll be interested to hear what you guys have to say.



posted on Jun, 22 2006 @ 06:50 PM
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Greetings all i just wanted to advise u all of our new team members

Niteboy82 and Allred5923.

Please welcome them as i feel they will be good assetts to the project.

Omega

ps, they will be here soon, Im just organising things.



posted on Jun, 23 2006 @ 11:18 PM
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A big welcome to the new members of the team.
I see I have a bit of catching up to do, I haven't had a chance to check the last few links posted.

Until I have a chance to get back to work on this tomorrow, I just wanted to point out my dismay at how much of the lunar surface is blacked out in the 40xx Clementine images.
Great swaths of the Moon are just black on the far side, and all of the Apollo landing sites on the side that faces the Earth are very dark and show little detail of the terrain.




This image is a section of the far side showing the black patches of missing data.


There are so many black-outs that if you wanted to hide something you could just add one more before you released it to the public.

Here's a long shot from Clementine 40xx



[edit on 24/6/2006 by anxietydisorder]



posted on Jun, 24 2006 @ 11:31 AM
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Interesting pics anx


I have got Nasa Worldwind and the pics also have the black shroud on them.
Im just wondering did u use world wind?
Its strange because the dark spots seem to have some sort of precision on them , like they might not be just a glitch.
does anyone else feel this way??

Omega



posted on Jun, 24 2006 @ 12:04 PM
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Greetings everyone! Just got the message from Omega, that I am able post now. I also see that I am coming on at an interesting point. Anx, those are good finds, and also fascinating me on the shapes of the blackout areas. The long vertical ones make absolute sense to me, as that is what I would expect to see. Some of the others that are more rectangular in shape strike me as odd. Why would the shapes be so different from each other? Wouldn't the cameras pick up all the missed places in the same manner?

Also as you pointed out, this is a perfect way to add an extra black patch in at any point to hide basically anything that you wanted.

As for the tracks that we are seeing on the moon, I am attempting to find pictures that have shown what moonquakes would create, compared to actually tracks created. It appears that moonquakes last much longer than our earthquakes do. Also this may give us an idea of what type of materials would be required to build a base that would withstand seismic activity. If we know what materials cannot be used, we will be able to hone our searchs in a little better.

I found this interesting .pdf file written by C.R. Neal, of Notre Dame University, who is a leading academic on moonquakes. The importance of the .pdf though is to once again give us a better idea of where/how they would set up a base on the moon.

These are the objects I will be working with today. I do find it slightly disappointing that there could be some "blanking out" on the Clementine shots. I am going to try to catch a better understanding and hopefully some photographic examples of documented cracks in the surface due to moon quakes, then to compare those to tracks that are also documented.

[edit on 6/24/06 by niteboy82]





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