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posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 12:17 AM
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"I also find it particularly galling, that just because "the White House wants it," this bill includes a provision that blatantly puts the interests of a few corporate pharmaceutical manufacturers before the interests of thousands of consumers, parents and children. Sections 714 through 716 give a "get out of court free card" to Eli Lilly and other manufacturers of thimerasol. Let's be clear, this provision has nothing to do with homeland security. Smallpox and anthrax vaccines do not use thimerosal. Thimerasol is a mercury-based vaccine preservative that was used until recently in children's vaccines for everything from hepatitis B to diphtheria. By making changes to the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program sought by the pharmaceutical industry, this provision cuts the legs out from under thousands of parents currently in court seeking compensation for the alleged harm caused by thimerosal"


This is a Statement by Senator Leahy, in regards to the ammendment inserted into the Patriot act by the White House to protect Eli Lilly and others.
Dont kid yourselves, Big Pharma knows mercury is poisoning the worlds children.

There is mounting evidence that AIDS was brought about by using a strain of moneys in the congo to create vaccines that should never have been used. We need to get this information out into the public and force true investigations into what occured in the congo in the late 1950's. There are a lot of people working hard to bring this to light as well.


As far as the good doctor, there is a lot of evidence against Big Pharma knowingly using vaccines that cause birth defects and other effects. But, as per the ammendment to the Patriot Act, the consumer is left without recourse by a corrupted government.

I respect doctors, but i also worked within legislative circles regarding pharma bills and ammendments. Doctors are paid to promote certain drugs, certain vaccines, certain treatments over others, even those that are safer and more reliable. Doctors have become the sales force for Pharma industry without regard to the patients well being.

A doctor should never place any interest above the patients, least of all their own. people should know what goes on in the boardrooms and closed doors of their elected officials and Pharma companies. Its your health at stake.



Fight the good fight




posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 05:59 AM
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The reason why the public is running away from conventional medical practioneers is people have figured out MDs JUST DON'T CARE, are more worried about maintaining the religion of medical 'science', making their Lexus and luxury home payments, are just pushers for BIG PHARMA, and the REAL bottom line are more likely to KILL YOU than heal you.


And for those of us, like myself, who work in public health? I most certainly will not ever drive a Lexus or own a luxury home. After residency, I will make the equivalent of ~$60,000 USD for about 100 hours of work/week. Now, show me where I'm makiing the big bucks? And how do we push "big pharma" in public health? We never receive kickbacks, and we don't get things from pharmaceutical reps because the government lets us write whatever prescription we want, typically, without the patient being charged.

Mariella



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by golemina
Wakefield is 100% right.

Vaccines containing mercury are THE cause of autism.

Do some research - it might stop you saying people are 100% right, when you obviously don't even know what their claims are. Wakefield's (discredited) work was looking at traces of the measles virus in the guts of autistic children. This work was related purely to the MMR vaccine and had nothing whatsoever to do with thermisol. He thought more research (which has now been done) was needed to look at MMR (which does not contrian thermisol) causing autism.

So if you think Wakefield is 100% right, then you believe that mercury has nothing to do with it.



Why else do you think MORONS like me are able to help autistics?

I have no idea why "morons" such as yourself and able to help autistic children.



and the REAL bottom line are more likely to KILL YOU than heal you.

If you are ever unlucky enough to be involved in a serious accident, such as a car crash, I'm sure you will be telling the teams of neurologists and and surgeons to get off you and stop treating your compound fractures and head injuries and get them to fetch a homeopath who can apply a tincture of newt, or something. I'd also presume you would turn down the rest of modern medicine such as pain killers, life support machines, MRI scans, X-rays, physiotherapy.....

Thing is, at least in the UK, Drs don't even have anything to do with immunisations. Public health scientists working for the government (who are obviously keen on getting as many children to be autistic as possible, so they can spend large amounts of money helping them
) organise the programmes and it is largely nurses who administer the vaccines.



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 07:21 AM
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If you are ever unlucky enough to be involved in a serious accident, such as a car crash, I'm sure you will be telling the teams of neurologists and and surgeons to get off you and stop treating your compound fractures and head injuries and get them to fetch a homeopath who can apply a tincture of newt, or something. I'd also presume you would turn down the rest of modern medicine such as pain killers, life support machines, MRI scans, X-rays, physiotherapy.....



My goodness.....you should go into politics! You turn a discussion about vaccines and Thimerosal into a car accident...well done. I really think you should get an applause for your political savvy!!

Do they use mercury these days to treat accident victims? Is mercury used to fix broken bones? Is mercury used to take an x-ray? Is mercury used as a pain killer? Is mercury used in life support machines?

Great argument FLD...BRAVO!!



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 07:35 AM
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If you read it carefully you will see that I was responding to this statement:



and the REAL bottom line are more likely to KILL YOU than heal you

Which is a general statement not concerning mercury. Both you and golem have attacked MDs continuously for being Very Bad People who intentionally give patients lots of diseases, you certainly haven't limited your comments merely to thermisol.

If you didn't get the point I was making them I'm sorry.


Dae

posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by MonoIonic_Gold
I wonder if people would be more prone to use the vaccines if they saw the vaccine manufacturers actually take accountability for issues, and do something to fix them.
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but... that might be more expensive, and with vaccine manufacturers themselves have shown that safety takes a backseat to cost... Case in point - Multidose vials.

Its no wonder people don't trust vaccines and their manufacturers. Cost is more important than children.


This is so spot on! I personally think vaccinations is based on decent science. The idea is to trigger the body to respond and develop immunities, without getting sick.

1. I dont trust the manufactuers at all. Big Pharma has been known to sell contaminated products because of Profit. Classic case was the blood products in the 80's.

2. I dont like the idea of multiple vaccines in one day. Why tax the body to produce immunities of 4 or 5 types of diseases at the same time? Saves money and I dont like that.

3. Testing of exsisting immunities is never done! I dont think its necessary to vacinate againt something that you already have an immunity to. Again, takes time and money.

Those 3 points, if delt with, would ease many fears I have and Im sure for many others too. I know point 2 and 3 I can pay to get done but point 1? Would take a revolution!



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 10:33 AM
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That's rich.


That has as much credibility as Wakefield supposedly being 'discredited'.

I love listening to your assertions about MMR and mercury and autism... It becomes obvious after just a few seconds, much like our good doctor, that you are fairly clueless, have NOT worked with any autistic children, have no REAL exposure to the areas to actually provide a basis for the 'expertise' you seem intent on offering.

I've have ACTUALLY recovered autistic children.

>So if you think Wakefield is 100% right, then you believe that mercury has nothing to do with it.

You just don't get it.



Mercury damages the brain. It has an affinity for the fatty acids in the CNS. What determines which particular section of the brain gets devastated is metabollic intake (read the intake wake caused by rapid cell growth). What gets hammered depends at what age/stage of CNS development is in progress when the child gets poisoned.

You might want to think of this as a severe blow to the head.

The brain almost immediately starts rebuilding/replacing the areas that are damaged... And as any first year is supposed to know
, tend to migrate around/get supplanted/attached to different areas.

What keeps the child from actually being able to recover is that the MMR puts into motion a set of conditions that heaps additional damage on the child... blocks what should be a normal recovery process from a CNS insult.

The virus sets up housekeeping in the childs gut. The immune system is seriously seriously hammered. Though not well understood, the digestive support organs begin functioning at diminished levels.

This is the really important part... the gut/brain metabollic pathway gets seriously disrupted.

The end result is you have a child whose brain is damaged, the normal development is disrupted, is unable to recover because of runaway candidiasis permeats the gut lining leading to direct exposure of the digestive system to the blood system. The child almost always develops intense allergies/food incompatibilities. On a 'normal' diet the child becomes perpetually self-drugging... A little junkie. Always stoned out of their little minds.

The process MORONS like me use is to address the gut issues... though we can never fully recover the CNS damage... just get out of the way, provide nutritonal support for the typical naturally occurring self-recover/reassignment of the CNS.

So FatherLukeDuke... (or you too Bls4doc
) Why don't you share with us some of your work with autistics. What techniques do you find most effective?



I just love the way our MD supporters keep veering the discussion away from the way BIG PHARMA intentionally poisons children... And their efforts to cover it up. $873,000... generous contribution.

Look at the list of nations that have totally banned thimerosal. Why is the USA NOT on that list?

Also the part about thimerosal usage being stopped is a total lie. Usage of thimerosal has supposedly ceased... but it is on a purely voluntary basis. IT IS STILL BEING USED!!! And it's usage is not just limited to vaccines... It is found in LOTS of other medical products. Ask the Chinese... 1.8 million autistics... OUCH!

BTW thanks for those JABS links Mr. Conspiracy.



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posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 12:07 PM
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Here's a recent study on Thimerosal affecting the Immune system, how it affects cells in different genetic makeups. With a compromised immune system, I could easily see how that would allow measles to set up shop in the guts of Autistic children. Wakefield's findings were just clues to the whole puzzle. Thimerosal linked to Immune system ills
From the article:

Based on earlier and yet-to-be published studies establishing differences in the immune systems of autistic children from children without the disorder, Pessah looked for clues to those discrepancies.

He focused on a type of cell called a dendritic cell, which is responsible for marshalling the body's response to invaders such as bacteria, viruses or other antigens such as vaccine ingredients.

"They take up those foreign substances and process them," he said. "Once they do that, they migrate to the lymph nodes to present their information to the other immune cells, which can activate a global immune response."

For his research, Pessah used a mouse strain not particularly sensitive to mercury or other heavy metals, and introduced concentrations of thimerosal comparable to those attained in childhood vaccinations that contain the preservative.

"What we found was rather unexpected," he said. "In fact, the dendritic cells seemed to be extremely sensitive to the effects of thimerosal."

Specifically, the thimerosal disrupted the normal biological signals that take place in cells, Pessah said. At lower concentrations, the signal disruption caused an inflammatory response; at higher concentrations it caused cell death.

"One could imagine that as concentrations of thimerosal vary in the organisms, you could get a plethora of unwanted or uncontrolled effects," Pessah said.

And those effects could vary depending on the organism's genetic background, he said.

Many children diagnosed with autism experience immunological problems including gut disorders, allergies and frequent infections.

"We now understand one of the ways in which thimerosal could adversely impact the immune system," Pessah said. "We have a target that provides a framework for now studying this in autistic children."

Pessah, who directs the Children's Center for Environmental Health and Disease Prevention at UC Davis, hopes now to determine whether dendritic cells from children with autism are particularly sensitive to the effects of thimerosal, various forms of mercury and other environmental toxicants.

The UC Davis study is not likely to settle the matter, but it does indicate that the preservative may leave the immune system vulnerable in susceptible groups.


And here is Parents being accused of shaking a baby, when in fact it was an adverse reaction to a DTP shot.
National Vaccine Information Center

Can you imagine being accused of shaking your baby until its brain bleeds, when it was really the Vaccine's reaction? gee... I wonder why parents are mad....





[edit on 29-6-2006 by MonoIonic_Gold]



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 12:27 PM
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Let me guess, they actually shook the kid???

On recent news for people who was in the discussion with me here, Childhood Vaccinations, My kid was diagnosed about 2 months after I stopped posting there.

He is diagnosed with Autism with ADD, and ADHD.

Mecury is Good for Kids.
bsl4doc this link above is for you buddy. Cause I'd bet you would agree with it.

Well for the other 2 yrs before this I have been into the autism/mercury and kids and found alot of info. All I have to say is bsl4doc is fos and my point will be made in my 1st question.

Autism affects 1 and 166 kids comparative to 20 yrs or so ago where it was 1 and 25,000 or so..

Back then mercury shots weren't mandatory to take, since then the rate of autism has risen dramatically.

In the 1st link i give in here, there is a study that I believe KDX pointed out where the study including 10% if England's population that didn't get vaccinated and in that only 1 child acquired autism, comparative to 1 and 10,000 i believe it was at the time.

SO any talk that autism and mercury shots have nothing to do with each, those people are full of it and can take a long walk of a short pier..



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 12:46 PM
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The sore fact about most 'modern science' and any associated disciplines is that the Cult is valued more than knowledge or even the task at hand. IF your ailment fits into well known categories, they will do what's in the book, if it helps, you're in straight butter, if it doesn't your SOL and they won't acknowledge...

If something falls outside the box, be it simple pain or something more sophisticated (like f-ex an untraceable liver condition), you're either simulating or deluded or an attention whore (or, in the latter case, a drunkard). in a hospital near my location, i have so far heard of (first hand, by victims) fly maggots eating toes off (under plaster), broken arms wrongly patched up, people sent home who after having all tendons in a shoulder severed... you name it.

Are they all incompetent? no, of course not, but those who are will be fiercely protected, so nothing gets corrected very often. we all know this, it's not even an exclusively medicine related phenomenon, so why deny it? hence the problem with vaccines and trust in them... we know that IF they f*ed up, injecting mercury plus using multiple shots a day, without any consideration, they would never admit it while silencing/discrediting the odd dissenter. best used in combination with obfuscation techniques like blaming autism on genetic defects - very darwinistic, but also very dissatisfying to the victims and their parents
- or parental neglect
.

The sad fact is that if you can't (officially) pin autism's (and ad/hd's) causes, you'll run into problems very soon, belief is a strong force, but once it's lost it can only be replaced, never restored. Considering the whole picture, i think i can safely say, that as long as CVD / cancer / chronic debilitating disease and devastating disorders like autism continue to increase unchecked, while the official explanation puts all the blame on the victim (bad diet, bad parenthood, bad genes, and so on), people's acceptance of the entire system will diminish to the point of implosion. if you think fear is a good deterrent against defection (ed: from the mainstream /ed), look at vaccines, some people would rather catch the disease. is it rational? maybe not, but it's happening, on a growing scale. Politicians and health officials may talk a till the faint about safety and studies, which we all know are selectively discarded, everywhere (see f-ex aspartame) heck, even the weather service would never admit that freezing temperatures in june for a full week mean that it's most certainly NOT 'within statistical boundaries' as long as you're not bending it all out of shape that is.

These people ought to get two things through their stubborn heads and past their conceited egos:

a) we may be dumb but we're not braindead

b) attempted persuasion without action amounts to mockery





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posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 01:35 PM
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Lets not be too hard on bsl4doc, I think she is learning alot as we go. By following the unfolding news I can't seriously beleive that BSL would think that Mercury is good for kids. I don't see how anyone could, based on its basic physical properties. The Mercury defenders stepped a little too far with that "finding" and it has came back to bite them. Nobody can possibly believe it. No real science would ever back that up. It just shows how far some will go to cover their asses. Covering up lies with bigger lies... and it doesn't take a genius to see that, so now everyone can plainly see the cracks showing.

I know BSL is the closest and easiest target for our vitriol, but there are far more insidious players in this issue than our newly graduated med student. I think she is slowly, quietly coming around. Its hard to show that you're learning when you're constantly being beatin in the head by the truthbringers.





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posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 03:48 PM
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Which is a general statement not concerning mercury. Both you and golem have attacked MDs continuously for being Very Bad People who intentionally give patients lots of diseases, you certainly haven't limited your comments merely to thermisol.



I haven't attacked anyone FLD....I have merely stated facts. If the truth hurts, then maybe something should be done about it, no? Makes sense to me!



posted on Jun, 29 2006 @ 05:25 PM
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Lets not be too hard on bsl4doc, I think she is learning alot as we go. By following the unfolding news I can't seriously beleive that BSL would think that Mercury is good for kids.


Yes, I've learned why public health is a thankless career. And for the record, I have never said mercury is good. Quite the opposite. If you take a look at some of the past threads, I have agreed that the doses of thimerosal that exist in older vaccines is dangerous.

Back on topic...


Mercury damages the brain. It has an affinity for the fatty acids in the CNS. What determines which particular section of the brain gets devastated is metabollic intake (read the intake wake caused by rapid cell growth). What gets hammered depends at what age/stage of CNS development is in progress when the child gets poisoned.

You might want to think of this as a severe blow 0.o the head.

The brain almost immediately starts rebuilding/replacing the areas that are damaged... And as any first year is supposed to know , tend to migrate around/get supplanted/attached to different areas.

What keeps the child from actually being able to recover is that the MMR puts into motion a set of conditions that heaps additional damage on the child... blocks what should be a normal recovery process from a CNS insult.

The virus sets up housekeeping in the childs gut. The immune system is seriously seriously hammered. Though not well understood, the digestive support organs begin functioning at diminished levels.

This is the really important part... the gut/brain metabollic pathway gets seriously disrupted.

The end result is you have a child whose brain is damaged, the normal development is disrupted, is unable to recover because of runaway candidiashais permeats the gut lining leading to direct exposure of the digestive system to the blood system. The child almost always develops intense allergies/food incompatibilities. On a 'normal' diet the child becomes perpetually self-drugging... A little junkie. Always stoned out of their little minds.

The process MORONS like me use is to address the gut issues... though we can never fully recover the CNS damage... just get out of the way, provide nutritonal support for the typical naturally occurring self-recover/reassignment of the CNS.


Well, you're about 10% right, golemina. I do commend you for obviously doing a bit of research, but you have only scratched the surface. I pulled down a text from third year rotations just to refresh my memory on the exact biochemistry of organic (methyl) mercury poisoning and it's allopathic treatment. From Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine, a massive several thousand page tome, pgs 2464-2466. emphasis my own:


Organic (methyl) mercury is readil absorbed through the intestines and skin. Short-chain alkyl and methyl mercury penetrate the erythrocyte membrane and bine to hemoglobin. Organic mercury concentrates in the kidneys and the central nervous system. Metallothionein synthesis is induced by mercury, and the augmented concentration of the protein exerts a partial protective effect against tissue damage[...]the half life of organic mercury is about 60-70 days. Phenyl mercury compounds are excreted more rapidly.



Acute and chronic organic mercury poisonings are indistinguishable. Prenatal poisoning produces cerebral palsy as a result of cortical and cerebellar atrophy. Postnatal poisoning causes paresthesias, headache, pain, visual, hearing, and speech disorders, neurasthenia, loss of memory, incoordination, erethism, spasticity, paralysis, stupor, and coma. These neurologic abnormalities are most often permanent. These symptoms, however, have only been observed in daily intake of methyl mercury exceeding 100 parts per billion. Blood mercury levels above 180 nmol/L and urine mercury above 0.7 umol/L are abnormal. Symptoms most often occur with blood mercury above 1 umol/L and urine mercury above 3 umol/L


So, symptoms have only been observed with blood mercury above 1umol/L and urine above 3umol/L. Now, let's see how much thimerosal is currently in vaccines. Tell you what, I'll be generous and calculate how much mercury a child would have assuming they received EVERY pediatric immunisation iwhich may still contain thimerosal n one day, which would never occur, but for the sake of arguement we'll imagine. I'm doing the calculations on some scrap paper I have at my desk, so I'm not typing them all up. If you would like them, golem or Exciteable, just to be sure I'm not playing with fuzzy math, PLEASE PLEASE U2U me and I can U2U you back with all the calculations. All base thimerosal/mercury levels for the vaccine were taken from here.

DTAP/Tripedia = 0.3 ug/0.5 mL dose = 1.49 nmol/dose = 0.00149 umol/dose
DTaP-HepB-IPV = 0.0125 ug/0.5 mL dose = 0.062 nmol/dose = 0.000062 umol/dose
HepB-EngerixB = 0.5 ug/0.5mL dose = 2.5 nmol/dose = 0.0000025 umol/dose
Fluzone = 12.5 ug/0.25 mL dose = 62.3 nmol/dose = 0.062 umol/dose
Fluvirin = 25 ug/0.5 mL dose = 124.6 nmol/dose = 0.124 umol/dose
Fluvirin-II = 1 ug/0.5 mL dose = 4.98 nmol/dose = 0.00498 umol/dose

Sooo, that means if your child received ALL three major flu shots still containing thimerosal, PLUS the other three shots still containing thimerosal all in one day, your child would have a maximum of...drum roll please...

***0.1925 umol of organic mercury in their body.***

This means, in order to even approach the threshold value for mercury poisoning or any clinical manifestation of mercury exposure, your child would need to receive about 5 rounds of these vaccines in less than 60 days, meaning you would be giving your child 30 vaccines in 8.5 weeks. If you can show me an circumstance in which this has happened, I will eat my hat.

In the mean time, however, please show me where I am wrong based on observed and repeated medical studies and my calculations.

Mariella



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by bsl4doc

Sooo, that means if your child received ALL three major flu shots still containing thimerosal, PLUS the other three shots still containing thimerosal all in one day, your child would have a maximum of...drum roll please...

***0.1925 umol of organic mercury in their body.***





www.autisticsociety.org...
Despite drug company studies from 70 years ago that concluded mercury-containing serum was not fit for cattle or dogs, and with all the huge, expensive federal agencies to protect us from just such a mistake -- the Centers for Disease Control, the Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health, the Institute of Medicine -- not one had taken the time to total up how much thimerosal and mercury had been added to the average child's intake with the new increased immunization schedule.

In essence, it was a grade-school math problem, but the nation's medical elite hadn't done it. The answer was about 120 times the amount allowed by the EPA for daily mercury exposure.


Mod edited for language and abusive comments.

You saying mercury is good for kids.. What is your problem????????

At least i was right in the other post that was made that is linked above.... I don't care how many books you have read on what cause reality speaks more than those books..

Fact is, Mercury in a newborn kid isn't good, Mercury in a 5 yr old isn't good, NO AMOUNT OF MECURY IS GOOD FOR ANYONE... Why tf you think they tell pregnant people not to eat tuna?? Cause the mercury is good for them..


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posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 05:58 AM
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It's people like you, ThicHeaded, that let me know I'm on the right track. If all you can do is resort to name calling and swearing, I must have so much evidence that you're in a tail spin. Ciao bello =)

Mariella



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 06:44 AM
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Sooo, that means if your child received ALL three major flu shots still containing thimerosal, PLUS the other three shots still containing thimerosal all in one day, your child would have a maximum of...drum roll please...

***0.1925 umol of organic mercury in their body.***



You truly need to get a clue bsl4doc.....no amount of mercury is safe and the sad part is, this crap doesn't even need to be used. IT IS USED AS A PRESERVATIVE in the damned vaccines.....so that BIG PHARMA DOESN'T HAVE TO THROW AWAY THE UNUSED VACCINES AS OFTEN = $$$$$$$$$

If it's so safe, why do doctors themselves make sure their children are given vaccines without Thimerosal in them? And I am also quite confident that if and when the time came for you to vaccinate your own children, you would make sure the vaccines were also free of Thimerosal. But the poison is okay for everyone else, right??

GREED KILLS!



I respect doctors, but i also worked within legislative circles regarding pharma bills and ammendments. Doctors are paid to promote certain drugs, certain vaccines, certain treatments over others, even those that are safer and more reliable. Doctors have become the sales force for Pharma industry without regard to the patients well being.


Toolman said it quite well....

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posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 08:27 AM
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I don't know if your threshold values are off, most likely they are, fact is that you can claim that the amount of mercury in childhood vaccines was not enough to do any damage as much as you want, you're still stuck with anomalies, like the amish, which you can't explain. anyway, the idea that the half life of methylmercury (probably in adults..) has much to do with Thiomersal exposure, is a bit naive, because first of all it contains Ethylmercury, which is infact more toxic AND the compound has to be broken up first, both of which will certainly affect overall toxicity and things like half-life.


Now, let's talk a bit about studies (again). The Japanese study i cited a few pages ago was bogus, because the ratio was too high, on top of that, no-one adressed why the incidence was seen to decline after 1994, while in the US it's still on the rise, afaik.

In fact i dount you're doing your position a favor if you fiercely try to shift the blame away from thiomersal, because from what we've seen (sticks to borders, but spares the amish, but the chinese had an epidemic after receiving a few batches of you guessed right, TM containing vaccines... coincidence again?), vaccines are still a prime suspect. as i said before, let's hope it'll be over with the end of TM, if not, investigation of the root cause will turn very ugly real soon.


PS: re-post from another thread: comparisons between contaminated seafood and parenteral exposure are invalid for the most part, here's why. as for blood mercury levels, well, if it's in the blood it can't damage the brain, can it? chronic blood levels aren't peak levels, and so on, just raising the red flag here.



www.generationrescue.org...
The mercury received in a vaccine is no greater than in a can of tuna. Eating a can of tuna has certainly never caused autism.
This myth has received a lot of publicity because it offers an analogy anyone can understand and makes the mercury-autism connection appear trivial.

We can start by comparing a 200-pound male adult consuming tuna with the infant who receives a single vaccine on their first day of birth (since day-old infants don't eat tuna). On the first day of birth an infant receives the Hep B vaccine with about 25 micrograms of ethlymercury - this does approximate the 30 micrograms of methlymercury in an average can of tuna. Since the average infant weighs about 7 pounds, the weight equivalent number of cans of tuna for an adult would be 28 cans. (The adult male weighs 28x more than the infant.)

If you take those 28 cans of tuna and distill it down to mercury content, you would have 840 micrograms of mercury (30 micrograms per can). Keep in mind that the stomach successfully absorbs and excretes about 90% of any mercury ingested through food, leaving only about 10% of the mercury to be absorbed into the bloodstream. Since the mercury in vaccines is injected directly into the bloodstream where 100% of it can be absorbed by the organs, you would need an additional 252 cans of tuna to get the equivalent amount of mercury into the bloodstream for a total of 280 cans of tuna and 8,400 micrograms of methlymercury.

Also, remember that a developing brain is far more sensitive to toxins than an adult brain. Current estimates say mercury is 5-10x more toxic for a developing brain. We'll use the low end of that range, so multiply the 280 cans of tuna by 5 and you get 1,400 cans of tuna.

So, receiving the Hep B vaccine with Thimerosal on the first day of birth is the equivalent of a 200-pound adult male consuming 1,400 cans of tuna in a single day. One final adjustment: the adult male in the analogy needs to have no capacity to excrete mercury. As Boyd Haley, Ph.D. notes, "it is very well known that infants do not produce significant levels of bile or have adult renal capacity for several months after birth. Bilary transport is the major biochemical route by which mercury is removed from the body, and infants cannot do this very well."

So, a 200-pound male who consumes 1,400 cans of tuna in a single day and has their ability to excrete mercury severely diminished is the same as a day-old infant receiving the Hep B vaccine. Now the analogy is fair.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Long Lance
you're still stuck with anomalies, like the amish, which you can't explain.

A couple of points: What is the autism rate in the amish? I can't find any studies that give a figure. Also, if the only difference in lifestyle between the amish and the rest of society was that they didn't have vaccinations then this might be damning. However they have completely different life styles, and are not exposed to all sorts of things we are. They also don't use computers either, perhaps it is computers that are causing autism? In fact if you plotted computer use against US autism rates you would find a pretty good match (rising from the early 90s onwards). Of course correlation is different from causation....

There is also probably a genetic element to autism, and as the amish have a different, more homogenous, gene pool (not that many people "convert") it also makes comparisons invalid.



Now, let's talk a bit about studies (again). The Japanese study i cited a few pages ago was bogus, because the ratio was too high, on top of that, no-one adressed why the incidence was seen to decline after 1994, while in the US it's still on the rise, afaik.

I'm not sure how that makes it invalid, and rates of autism in Japan are currently rising year by year. However you are again mixing up MMR and thermisol. The Japanese study was purely concerned with MMR, and not thermisol.



but the chinese had an epidemic after receiving a few batches of you guessed right, TM containing vaccines... coincidence again?),

Have you a evidence for this (other than Robert Kennedy's personal view)? I doubt until recently that the Chinese government admitted that autism even existed in their country, let alone regularly monitored it. Medical data from China is patchy at best.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 09:49 AM
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The fact that there was a peak in 1994 means that it fell afterwards, granted that's 12 years ago, so it may be rising again, dunno how much and i doubt one can easily deduce much because increased sensitivity regarding autism and ad/hd might play a role. it's irrelevant in which context the statistic was presented . reference


Anyways, the amish anomaly...

Let's start with what the mainstream media has to say on the subject




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yes, that's what i think, too a little hint next time, pressure the search engine companies to remove the entry....

So, on to fringe sources:

www.newmediaexplorer.org...


Maybe not, but it was stunning that Julia Inion, the first autistic Amish person I could find, turned out to be adopted -- from another country, no less. It also was surprising that Stacey-jean launched unbidden into vaccines, because the Amish have a religious exemption from vaccination and presumably would not have given it much thought


www.whale.to...



Why bother looking for them among the Amish? Because they could hold clues to the cause of autism.

The first half-dozen articles in this ongoing series on the roots and rise of autism examined the initial studies and early accounts of the disorder, first identified by Kanner among 11 U.S. children born starting in 1931.

If Kanner was correct -- if autism was new and increasingly prevalent -- something must have happened in the 1930s to trigger those first autistic cases. Genetic disorders do not begin suddenly or increase dramatically in prevalence in a short period of time.

That is why it is worth looking for autistic Amish -- to test reasoning against reality. Largely cut off for hundreds of years from American culture and scientific progress, the Amish might have had less exposure to some new factor triggering autism in the rest of population.

Surprising, but no one seems to have looked.



onlinejournal.com...


First he looked to the Amish community in Pennsylvania and found a family doctor in Lancaster, who had treated thousands of Amish patients over a quarter-century, who said he has never seen an Amish person with autism, according to Age of Autism: A glimpse of the Amish on June 2, 2005.




the following is just an alternative link.

www.groupsrv.com...



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Conclusions: Most of these articles LINK to the washington times, the very same link i posted in the beginning! i will refrain from posting a full blown comment, let's just say that it does not surpirse me.

As for the rest, people in the establishment are simply not looking, i'll leave it to you to guess why that's the case.



posted on Jun, 30 2006 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by FatherLukeDukeA couple of points: What is the autism rate in the amish?


I'll give you a better research figure: What's the autism rate among military families and missionary families and diplomatic families.

These groups are among the most vaccinated in the world. We moved every 3 years or so and every time we moved, we got shots. This treatment started as infants and continued as long as we were with the military, and back in the days when mercury was used as a preservative in vaccines.

My aunt (now 70) remarks that they were vaccinated frequently when they were children -- she wasn't military, and this represents immunizations in the general public, again with the mercury preservatives.

The Japanese data is interesting because their diet is high in fish -- and fish are often heavily laced with mercury from toxic runoff around the world. In Japan, levels of mercury in fish are so high that the government is considering taking action: www.safetyfirst.gr.jp...

...so, what's the rate of autism there? If it's lower than the US, does that mean that people in the US are considerably genetically weaker than the Japanese and will fall prey to many more things that the folks living in a more polluted country won't suffer?



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